Weapons in USA

[CaptRenault]

The Chicago Sun Times keeps a list of every victim of homicide in Chicago in 2023. It provides an interactive graphic that gives the identity of every victim by method of homicide (such as shooting), sex and race.

Homicides in Chicago: A list of every victim | Chicago Sun-Times

Information about Chicago's homicide victims, compiled by journalists, including breakdowns of where and when incidents occurred, updated daily.

graphics.suntimes.com

The total number of homicides to date in 2024 is 329.

The total number of black victims killed by shooting is 205 of whom 178 were males and 27 were females.

Thus 62.3 % of all homicide victims in Chicago so far this year are blacks killed by someone using a gun. Given what we know about crime in Chicago, it is likely that the vast majority of the killers were other blacks using illegal guns.

The population of Chicago is 29% black.

 

[purplem]

That the VICTIMS are overwhelmingly Black is proven by your statistics, assuming that they are correct. That the PERPETRATORS are overwhelmingly Black is purely your personal opinion since you have failed to provide any statistics or evidence on that. Sorry, but saying "it is likely" is worthless as proof. Such a statement is nothing but a way to justify an opinion by prefacing it with a meaningless introductory qualifier. It's a common tactic used when there is no evidence to support someone's opinion and...you know what they say about opinions.

And by the way, Chicago is one random city. Where are your statistics and opinions (ha ha) on Des Moines; Carmel, California; Boca Raton; Long Island...or any other totally RANDOM city out of the numerous ones in the USA?

The relevant part of your post is that there were a lot of GUN DEATHS. Guess what the one common element of all GUN DEATHS is? Give up? Okay, here's the answer:...GUNS!

 

[CaptRenault]

That the VICTIMS are overwhelmingly Black is proven by your statistics, assuming that they are correct. That the PERPETRATORS are overwhelmingly Black is purely your personal opinion since you have failed to provide any statistics or evidence on that. Sorry, but saying "it is likely" is worthless as proof. Such a statement is nothing but a way to justify an opinion by prefacing it with a meaningless introductory qualifier. It's a common tactic used when there is no evidence to support someone's opinion and...

The vast majority of homicides are intra-racial. According to the FBI's 2019 "Crime in the United States" report, black offenders accounted for 88.5% of the homicides of black victims.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

Based on such national data, it's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of black victims shot in Chicago so far this year were shot by other blacks.

The same FBI data clearly show that it is significantly more common for blacks to kill whites than for whites to kill blacks. Whites kill 8.4% of black homicide victims while blacks kill 17.1% of white victims. Clearly blacks pose a greater danger to whites than whites do to blacks.

If you have a problem with any of the data, address your remarks to Joe Biden's FBI.

 

[purplem]

Do you mean the FBI run by the Trump-appointed lifelong Republican Christopher Wray? THAT FBI?

 

[Womaniser]

Do you mean the FBI run by the Trump-appointed lifelong Republican Christopher Wray? THAT FBI?

Naturally, for some, everything that goes bad in USA is Joe Biden's fault !
And everything that goes well is the result of Trump actions when he wasn't playing golf or watching FoxNews !

 

[gaby]

...or dans son bureau oval à compter son argent et penser à des stratégies pour en faire encore plus avec ses enfants/ son gendre/son équipe de pervers.....c'était son seul agenda...et ce l'est toujours...y a pas plus moron bandit et criminel.

 

[Jazzman1218]

This should come as no surprise: Gun deaths are rising among children in the USA. From 2011 to 2021 the rate of firearm fatalities among children younger than 18 rose by 87%. During that same time frame childhood deaths from car accidents fell by almost half, leaving firearm fatalities the top cause of accidental death in children.

"Another head hangs lowly, Child is slowly taken And the violence caused such silence, Who are we mistaken?". The Cranberries 1994 lyrics about violence in Northern Ireland during "The Troubles" are prescient in today's gun violent and deadly America.

 

[purplem]

Obviously very sad, Jazzman. Even sadder is that as long as the GOP sells itself to the gun lobby, there's little hope of things getting better.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Remember that. There was a reason for the 2nd Amendment. Every human has the right to defend themselves, that is a human right. It is naive to be at the mercy of police, they cannot be everywhere and most often they cannot be there when the need is greatest.

1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This bring me a perfect example of this, the 1992 Los Angeles riots. In 1992 the Los Angeles riots broke out after four police officers who severely beat Rodney King were acquitted. The people began rioting. The supposedly Liberal celebrities demanded the policy protect them, so the police withdrew to those affluent neighborhoods to protect the rich and famous.

This left Koreatown in particular at the mercy of the rampaging rioters. The Koreans did not do anything wrong to King. They were just honest and hard working people whose livelihoods were now at risk. So what did they do?



They armed themselves to defend their stores. There was no police in the area. The police were out protecting the rich Liberal anti-gun Californians. So as you can see, some are misguided to want to ban all guns putting all faith in police and accept to sit like a sitting duck, well the LA riots prove that the police were not always there.

So to conclude, a weapon is a tool. Any tool can be used to kill in the wrong hands, one should not blame the tool. You may need a gun to defend yourself because more often then not the police will not be there when you need the protection the most.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Remember that. There was a reason for the 2nd Amendment. Every human has the right to defend themselves, that is a human right. It is naive to be at the mercy of police, they cannot be everywhere and most often they cannot be there when the need is greatest.

1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This bring me a perfect example of this, the 1992 Los Angeles riots. In 1992 the Los Angeles riots broke out after four police officers who severely beat Rodney King were acquitted. The people began rioting. The supposedly Liberal celebrities demanded the policy protect them, so the police withdrew to those affluent neighborhoods to protect the rich and famous.

This left Koreatown in particular at the mercy of the rampaging rioters. The Koreans did not do anything wrong to King. They were just honest and hard working people whose livelihoods were now at risk. So what did they do?

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They armed themselves to defend their stores. There was no police in the area. The police were out protecting the rich Liberal anti-gun Californians. So as you can see, some are misguided to want to ban all guns putting all faith in police and accept to sit like a sitting duck, well the LA riots prove that the police were not always there.

So to conclude, a weapon is a tool. Any tool can be used to kill in the wrong hands, one should not blame the tool. You may need a gun to defend yourself because more often then not the police will not be there when you need the protection the most.

Guns don't kill people. People WITH GUNS kill people. A gun is not a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver that exist to serve a particular non-lethal purpose. The only purpose of a gun is to kill or injure.

 

[Womaniser]

Guns don't kill people. People WITH GUNS kill people. A gun is not a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver that exist to serve a particular non-lethal purpose. The only purpose of a gun is to kill or injure.

Not entirely right, in many countries, they are or were used for hunting and sport and competitions shooting, even at the Olympic Games.
I don't believe that assault rifles are used in competitions. Except perhaps in USA.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Not entirely right, in many countries, they are or were used for hunting and sport and competitions shooting, even at the Olympic Games.
I don't believe that assault rifles are used in competitions. Except perhaps in USA.

 

[Jazzman1218]

However the argument is that guns are just another tool. I was outside today using a couple of tools - a wheelbarrow and a leaf blower. Want to guess how many mass killings have been committed with a wheelbarrow and/or a leaf blower?

 

[CLOUD 500]

I see some missed the whole point. The forefathers used guns to be free of the British in the American revolution, hunters used guns for food, just as the Koreans used guns to defend their stores in the Los Angeles riots when police were not there. Some put too much faith in the government. So yes a gun is a tool.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Au contraire, mon frere. We are not living in the 18th century. But even a strict Constitutional originalist must concede there is nothing in the 2nd amendment that justifies allowing guns of war in our streets. The 2nd amendment was written before there was a standing army, or even police departments, and the single fire musket was the best hand-carried weapon known to man. Citizens had to be armed to join the citizens militia and fight the King or whoever the fuck tried to invade us. That's not the case today, is it? Is this the Constitutional hill you really want to die on? And what riots? The Watts riots of 1965 or the riots that followed the 1992 acquittal of the police that beat Rodney King? Really? That's your justification for weapons or war and more guns in America than citizens?

 

[CLOUD 500]

You are still missing the point, the Los Angeles riots happened in 1992 as a result of police being acquited of the brutal beating of Rodney King. Not that long ago, much more recent compared to the American revolution. The point is every living human being has the right to defend themselves and their property. The example I pointed out is a perfect example of that, had the Koreans not decided to take matters into their own hands their stores would have been ranshacked, their livelihoods destroyed, and their safety in threatened. The Koreans were honest hard working people that had nothing to do with the brutal beating of Rodney King by police.

 

[Jazzman1218]

You are still missing the point, the Los Angeles riots happened in 1992 as a result of police being acquited of the brutal beating of Rodney King. Not that long ago, much more recent compared to the American revolution. The point is every living human being has the right to defend themselves and their property. The example I pointed out is a perfect example of that, had the Koreans not decided to take matters into their own hands their stores would have been ranshacked, their livelihoods destroyed, and their safety in threatened. The Koreans were honest hard working people that had nothing to do with the brutal beating of Rodney King by police.

And you are missing mine. A violent riot over 30 years ago, brought on by a miscarriage of justice, is your justification for the obscene amount and lethalness of guns in America? That's absurd.

 

[Womaniser]

And you are missing mine. A violent riot over 30 years ago, brought on by a miscarriage of justice, is your justification for the obscene amount and lethalness of guns in America? That's absurd.

I wonder what is the ratio of saved lives by citizens with firearms on the number of deaths caused by volontary or misuse of firearms.
I would bet the ratio would be very low.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I wonder what is the ratio of saved lives by citizens with firearms on the number of deaths caused by volontary or misuse of firearms.
I would bet the ratio would be very low.

I think we all know what that plus-minus would be.

 

[Womaniser]

I think we all know what that plus-minus would be.

The mother of the 6 years old kid that shot his woman teacher has been given a 22 months jail time.
She left a loaded pistol easily accessible that his kid brought to school.