Weapons in USA

[CaptRenault]

I'm not a fan of Stephen A. Smith, though I do admire the fact that he grew up in modest circumstances in Queens, NY and made something of himself.

He has some worthwhile comments on crime and guns. It's worth listening to the whole thing.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Guns, gangs, and poverty - a deadly combination.

 

[CaptRenault]

Guns, gangs, and poverty - a deadly combination.

Guns, gangs and Democrat ruled cities - a deadly combination.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I'm not a fan of Stephen A. Smith, though I do admire the fact that he grew up in modest circumstances in Queens, NY and made something of himself.

Ahh he plays Brick on General Hospital. Interesting for anyone into Soap Operas.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Guns, gangs and Democrat ruled cities - a deadly combination.

Crime is an issue in cities that have republican mayors too. It's not the political party of the mayor - It's the guns, gangs, and poverty.

 

[CaptRenault]

...It's the guns, gangs, and poverty.

No, it's young, violent black males with illegal guns.

Who Needs Facts?

www.takimag.com

...The fundamental reality of American criminal justice is that black people kill at a huge rate, even compared to Hispanics, much less whites or Asians.

In 2021, for instance, the FBI reported that blacks made up 60.4 percent of all known homicide offenders (a new record—apparently, something went very wrong in America on May 25, 2020).

There are several ways to define the black share of the population. The broadest (including multiracials and black Hispanics) gives the 2020 Census black share as 14.2 percent. Hence, that still means the other 85.8 percent of the population accounted for only 39.6 percent of known homicide offenders.

The math therefore says that African Americans murder at a rate 9.2 times that of America’s nonblacks.

Unfortunately, the FBI statistics are pretty worthless at drilling down to anything less expansive than “nonblack.” The FBI unhelpfully lumps Asians and American Indians, two groups with extremely different behavior patterns, into the “Other” category. And the FBI data is woozy because many police departments still don’t break Hispanics out from “Caucasians” in their statistics.

Perhaps surprisingly, this is not some recent woke conspiracy to cover up Latino crime. Instead, it derives from 1950s–1960s colorblind liberalism, when Latin American lobbies demanded that their constituents be included in the government’s broad Caucasian racial category.

So, many police departments went along with this demand. Then, when racial quotas began in 1969, Latino lobbies reversed course and demanded to be broken out so that they could get affirmative action.

Almost all government agencies eventually complied. But there was little call from ethnic activists for identifying their Hispanic criminals, so many local police departments never got around to it, because cops seldom are data nerds. Hence, the FBI statistics aggregated from thousands of police departments across the country are still confused on the white vs. Hispanic question.

Therefore, the best way to work with FBI numbers is simply to compare black and nonblack.

In contrast, the vast medical profession long ago got on board with the federal government’s current standard race/ethnicity categories. Thus, the CDC’s cause-of-death database lets you compare non-Hispanic white versus non-Hispanic black deaths by homicide.

The downside of the CDC numbers is that, unlike the FBI’s, they make no attempt to determine who shot whom. But, assuming that most victims of homicide, other than Asians, are killed by their co-racials, the CDC stats are still highly useful best-case scenarios about America’s race problem.

In 2021, blacks died 10.7 times as often by homicide as non-Hispanic whites and 14.5 times as often due to gun homicides. In 2021, 60.7 percent of all those who died by being shot by somebody else were black...

 

[Jazzman1218]

It's not young black males from wealthy or even middle-class families. It's poverty plus gangs and guns that drive the violence.

 

[Womaniser]

It's not young black males from wealthy or even middle-class families. It's poverty plus gangs and guns that drive the violence.

Comong back to the thread main subject, a 2 years old kid shot and killed his pregnant mother with a loaded revolver found on a nightstand.
And by the way he isn't black, he is white.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Comong back to the thread main subject, a 2 years old kid shot and killed his pregnant mother with a loaded revolver found on a nightstand.
And by the way he isn't black, he is white.

Proper gun storage is one of the many common sense gun safety measures that are needed today.

 

[Womaniser]

Proper gun storage is one of the many common sense gun safety measures that are needed today.

In Canada, handguns should be in a safe locked and with a trigger lock and unloaded.
That's a law. I don't remember hearing of a kid killing someone in his parents house.

 

[CaptRenault]

In Canada, handguns should be in a safe locked and with a trigger lock and unloaded.
That's a law. I don't remember hearing of a kid killing someone in his parents house.

Great idea! If we could just convince America’s thugs to keep their illegal guns locked up, unloaded with a trigger lock in a big safe then we will have solved the problem! Why didn’t someone think of this earlier?

 

[Womaniser]

Great idea! If we could just convince America’s thugs to keep their illegal guns locked up, unloaded with a trigger lock in a big safe then we will have solved the problem! Why didn’t someone think of this earlier?

And irresponsible parents of young children and teenagers that let loaded handguns easily accessible or even buy handguns to their teenager sons.

 

[CaptRenault]

The Chicago Sun Times keeps a list of every victim of homicide in Chicago in 2023. It provides an interactive graphic that gives the identity of every victim by method of homicide (such as shooting), sex and race.

Homicides in Chicago: A list of every victim | Chicago Sun-Times

Information about Chicago's homicide victims, compiled by journalists, including breakdowns of where and when incidents occurred, updated daily.

graphics.suntimes.com

The total number of homicides to date in 2024 is 329.

The total number of black victims killed by shooting is 205 of whom 178 were males and 27 were females.

Thus 62.3 % of all homicide victims in Chicago so far this year are blacks killed by someone using a gun. Given what we know about crime in Chicago, it is likely that the vast majority of the killers were other blacks using illegal guns.

The population of Chicago is 29% black.

 

[purplem]

That the VICTIMS are overwhelmingly Black is proven by your statistics, assuming that they are correct. That the PERPETRATORS are overwhelmingly Black is purely your personal opinion since you have failed to provide any statistics or evidence on that. Sorry, but saying "it is likely" is worthless as proof. Such a statement is nothing but a way to justify an opinion by prefacing it with a meaningless introductory qualifier. It's a common tactic used when there is no evidence to support someone's opinion and...you know what they say about opinions.

And by the way, Chicago is one random city. Where are your statistics and opinions (ha ha) on Des Moines; Carmel, California; Boca Raton; Long Island...or any other totally RANDOM city out of the numerous ones in the USA?

The relevant part of your post is that there were a lot of GUN DEATHS. Guess what the one common element of all GUN DEATHS is? Give up? Okay, here's the answer:...GUNS!

 

[CaptRenault]

That the VICTIMS are overwhelmingly Black is proven by your statistics, assuming that they are correct. That the PERPETRATORS are overwhelmingly Black is purely your personal opinion since you have failed to provide any statistics or evidence on that. Sorry, but saying "it is likely" is worthless as proof. Such a statement is nothing but a way to justify an opinion by prefacing it with a meaningless introductory qualifier. It's a common tactic used when there is no evidence to support someone's opinion and...

The vast majority of homicides are intra-racial. According to the FBI's 2019 "Crime in the United States" report, black offenders accounted for 88.5% of the homicides of black victims.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

ucr.fbi.gov

Based on such national data, it's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of black victims shot in Chicago so far this year were shot by other blacks.

The same FBI data clearly show that it is significantly more common for blacks to kill whites than for whites to kill blacks. Whites kill 8.4% of black homicide victims while blacks kill 17.1% of white victims. Clearly blacks pose a greater danger to whites than whites do to blacks.

If you have a problem with any of the data, address your remarks to Joe Biden's FBI.

 

[purplem]

Do you mean the FBI run by the Trump-appointed lifelong Republican Christopher Wray? THAT FBI?

 

[Womaniser]

Do you mean the FBI run by the Trump-appointed lifelong Republican Christopher Wray? THAT FBI?

Naturally, for some, everything that goes bad in USA is Joe Biden's fault !
And everything that goes well is the result of Trump actions when he wasn't playing golf or watching FoxNews !

 

[gaby]

...or dans son bureau oval à compter son argent et penser à des stratégies pour en faire encore plus avec ses enfants/ son gendre/son équipe de pervers.....c'était son seul agenda...et ce l'est toujours...y a pas plus moron bandit et criminel.

 

[Jazzman1218]

This should come as no surprise: Gun deaths are rising among children in the USA. From 2011 to 2021 the rate of firearm fatalities among children younger than 18 rose by 87%. During that same time frame childhood deaths from car accidents fell by almost half, leaving firearm fatalities the top cause of accidental death in children.

"Another head hangs lowly, Child is slowly taken And the violence caused such silence, Who are we mistaken?". The Cranberries 1994 lyrics about violence in Northern Ireland during "The Troubles" are prescient in today's gun violent and deadly America.

 

[purplem]

Obviously very sad, Jazzman. Even sadder is that as long as the GOP sells itself to the gun lobby, there's little hope of things getting better.