What do sex workers want?

[Aryaan]

This is an amazing ted talk given by Juno Mac (https://twitter.com/fornicatrix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_M


I was totally amazed and impressed!!!

 

[hungry101]

This is an amazing ted talk given by Juno Mac (https://twitter.com/fornicatrix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_M


I was totally amazed and impressed!!!

I thought she was going to say 200$/hour but no. This was outstanding and a must see for all MERBites. Thank you for sharing.

Now what do hobbyists want? BBBJTCIMWS

 

[SylvainP]

La plupart des lois contre la prostitution sont votées en majorité par des hommes qui sauraient mieux que les femmes ce qui est bon pour elles, comme dans beaucoup de domaine.
Peut-on vraiment, réellement écouter les femmes et arrêter de décider pour elles?
Veut-on vraiment, réellement écouter les femmes et arrêter de décider pour elles?

 

[somebodymtl]

Thanks for sharing raj. Hungry is right every merbite should watch it. This is an amazing talk. Never knew it was not as good as I thought in Netherlands. New Zealand is the best. Lessons learned: If you are making a law for someone, you should at least hear for the needs from them, but not just writing up something purely out of your own imagination or moral standard.

 

[JackNoJill]

I would like to believe that as responsible clients, we would respect everyone that's involved in the business.

As for politicians, all they care about is how to get into/stay in office and that's rarely listening to all sides and making laws that will benefit everyone as a whole...

 

[hungry101]

As for politicians, all they care about is how to get into/stay in office and that's rarely listening to all sides and making laws that will benefit everyone as a whole...

Your reading my mail man. Agreed.

 

[CLOUD 500]

JackNoJill,

Politicians are doing what society wants. Unfortunately in North American society especially the US... The Bible and social conservative values are very prevalent. No one is really protesting against these prostitution laws except the sex workers or clients. Only a minority of people are involved in this business. To most it really makes no difference. Society wants traditional family values and biblical values be enforced.

 

[hungry101]

I'm sorry Cloud500. You have not spent enough time in the US. That may be true in Canada but here in the USA the most vocal abolitionists are the militant feminists of the left. For example, I heard Ron Paul say prostitution should be legal. I heard Sean Hannity rationalize for a republicans who were caught with escorts saying maybe they weren't exploiting women maybe the needed a little intimacy etc. Meanwhile I have heard Harry Reed call for abolishing the brothels in Nevada and Jimmy Carter endorse the Nordic model. MSNBC - the most left wing cable news show in the USA - runs a series after series against prostitution never saying a damn positive thing about it. Of course there is (according to Hannity) the hair-clipped, militant, man-hating, wire glasses-wearing, no make-up feminist touting how men who pay 500$ per hour to women are exploiting them. Hell, if I could get past the smell and the idea, I might start sucking cock for 500$/hour tax free Beats the shit out of the asses I have to kiss and crow that I have to eat sometimes to keep this boat afloat

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

To Cloud...
Politicians do not do what society wants, they do what they want, most of the things JT is doing now has a small minority approval, it is his agenda and not a " what society wants ".
The prostitution law in Canada is not bad, the majority of people charged are for drugs, pimps and minors, nothing wrong with that. If they wanted to be dicks they could go on a spree and charge hundreds a day just off sites like this but they leave us alone.

 

[jalimon]

The prostitution law in Canada is not bad, the majority of people charged are for drugs, pimps and minors, nothing wrong with that. If they wanted to be dicks they could go on a spree and charge hundreds a day just off sites like this but they leave us alone.

True. Do not forget that many many on the LE force are clients too

Cheers,

 

[BookerL]

To Cloud...
The prostitution law in Canada is not bad

Really ?All the sex workers associations are wrong and you are right ?
How many times where charged of any crime ?

, the majority of people charged are for drugs, pimps and minors, nothing wrong with that.

True that prostitution charges are often added charges to other crimes ,however being found guilty solly on one charge provides you a criminal record

If they wanted to be dicks they could go on a spree and charge hundreds a day just off sites like this but they leave us alone.

How much would that cost ?

Does a police force works on quantity of arrest or quantity of conviction after arrest ?





Cheers






Booker

 

[clark_larson]

Really ?All the sex workers associations are wrong and you are right ?
How many times where charged of any crime

What would make these associations right? The number of members? Their existance or number alone does not make them right.

Legalization of prostitution would make it more affordable and therefore less profitable. That's about the only change I see.

 

[BookerL]

What would make these associations right? The number of members? Their existance or number alone does not make them right.

Nothing actually .Associations voices opinions ,if you favor their opinion you will be more of a supporter then a antagonist ,
However ,how can Hobbyist support the actual Canadian prostitution law by saying it is

The prostitution law in Canada is not bad,

Legalization of prostitution would make it more affordable and therefore less profitable. That's about the only change I see.

More affordable ?
You would need to explain how .
Less profitable ?for who ?




Cheers


Booker

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I wish I had a drawing board... More affordable to the purchaser, if brothels were legal the cost ahould go down, things cost more when they are illegal, less profitable to the SP as the rates should drop, add the taxes which would have to be paid makes it less profitable.
And yes, the Canadian prostitution laws are not bad, has anyone on this site ever been busted for taking out a legal aged non drugged up SP, probably not. I will add the laughing meme to make it sound like I am correct :lol: three to make it a for sure thing :lol::lol:

 

[BookerL]

, things cost more when they are illegal,

things cost more when they are illegal,
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...in-ontario-are-contraband-study-suggests.html



Really ?


I love to be educated !Lol


Countraband cigarettes are cheaper Contraband alcohol is also cheaper then the legal stuff
Counterfeit also


Cheers



Booker

 

[JackNoJill]

To be honest, I don't think rates would just drop randomly. It would be dictated by the market just like other commodities; your top rated gals (or guys) would still be charging top dollars.

There have been other regulation systems in the past where it was "successful" for the most part (ancient Rome, during the American Civil war, etc...), at the very least the providers were safe (physically, medically and criminally - can't speak for how they were viewed socially).

I personally do not like the labeling of sex workers in general (mostly negative) which degrades them, it feel like we as people need to put others down to make ourselves feel better (if a person is truly great, there is no need to advertise or compare). I think we should start with changing that mindset first before any change can happen (pipe dream, I know).

 

[hungry101]

There is a new book entitled the Fleet at Flood Tide by James Hornfischer. It is a history about the US military in the Pacific at the height of it's power in WWII. There was an interesting story about the occupation of Japan. The story involves "comfort zones" for allied military personnel.

Admiral Spruance, Douglass MacArthur, and the Mayor of Tokyo got together and they agreed that they would allow brothels or comfort zones to operate during the Allied occupation of Japan. It worked out well for the Japanese women because it was the only way some of them could feed themselves and their families after the war. It was also a way for the women to say "fuck you" to the old world order in Japan that treated woman as if they were property. After the brothels were allowed to operate many good things happened. For example, the number of reported rapes fell and the number arrests by Military Police for public drunkenness and disorderly conduct also dropped, etc. It appeared to be a win-win for both sides.

One day a Navy chaplain complained to a visiting congressmen who complained to capital hill upon his return to Washington. The Pentagon ordered the brothels shut down. Immediately the number of rapes spiked and arrests for disorderly conduct and drunkenness also increased and the women of Japan lost a way to feed themselves and their families.

Though shalt not fornicate.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I love to be educated !Lol


Countraband cigarettes are cheaper Contraband alcohol is also cheaper then the legal stuff
Counterfeit also


Cheers



Booker

You do not get it, the alcohol and cigarettes are a poor excuse. When talking about legalized prostitution and comparing it to contrabrand smokes and alcohol. Smokes and alcohol are not illegal so you have a moot point, basically just filler to show you have nothing. If alcohol and cigarettes were " illegal " the contraband prices would go up as no legal ones are available. Like I say another moot point coming from you.

Just to clue you in we are talking about escorts that are illegal right now, not alcohol and cigarettes which are legal and contraband must be sold at a discount to ne able to sell them. :doh:
Yup, you can sure school someone, with complete nonsense.

Since we are talking about illegal " escorts " and not legal smokes and alcohol ( still can not believe you were grasping at straws back there, funny actually ) here is an article which talks about " escorts " and the costs when it became legal. http://business.time.com/2013/06/18...e-cut-rate-prostitution-capital-of-the-world/

Now please do not come back with something about a monkey smoking cigarettes in a German zoo.

 

[jalimon]

One day a Navy chaplain complained to a visiting congressmen who complained to capital hill upon his return to Washington. The Pentagon ordered the brothels shut down. Immediately the number of rapes spiked and arrests for disorderly conduct and drunkenness also increased and the women of Japan lost a way to feed themselves and their families.

Though shalt not fornicate.

And in our era legalize prostitution and I am sure divorce rate will go down

I have read a lot about WWII. Most recent was Unbroken, fascinating book. But mainly my other read were about breaking the enigma machine, the role of the american native Apache as their language was considered pretty much unbreakable Or Operation Mincemeat. Fascinating. Hope we never ever reach that again because reading about it is fascinating but living WWII was just horrible all the way.

Cheers,

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

And in our era legalize prostitution and I am sure divorce rate will go down ,

For the divorce rate to go down there should be a law that couples must live together for a year before marriage, you do not know someone until you live with them.