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What Is The Current Market Definition of HDH in Montreal?

What Is The Current Market Definition Of HDH in Montreal?

  • $300

    Votes: 14 42.4%
  • $250

    Votes: 7 21.2%
  • $225

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • $200

    Votes: 8 24.2%

  • Total voters
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Bud Fox

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Assuming if $300/hr was the right price back then when the exchange rate was 1.6. Wouldn't it be a bit below $200CDN now given the current rate? It was mostly Americans that saw HDHs anyway. And if we then factor in the current economic climate compares to early 2000s, wouldn't the rate be even lower now?

The rate we see on popular Merb agencies now is the current HDH rate, $160 to $200.
 

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Assuming if $300/hr was the right price back then when the exchange rate was 1.6. Wouldn't it be a bit below $200CDN now given the current rate? It was mostly Americans that saw HDHs anyway. And if we then factor in the current economic climate compares to early 2000s, wouldn't the rate be even lower now?

The rate we see on popular Merb agencies now is the current HDH rate, $160 to $200.

Interesting analysis, but I am not sure $300 was the right price back then, rather it was the threshold price. As was mentioned by another poster already, the right price back then maybe should have been $350 or $400.

I can recall that almost all of the HDH agencies in 2002-2003 were charging $300 for 1 hour and $450 for 2. I think only Allissa had a 2 hour minimum at that time.
 
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Aeolus

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And we won't get truely exceptional girls for the reason above, ie. no open auction system.

Hey, Bud. I think there are some exceptional ones out there at $200 and below. I can't imagine how different a woman could possibly look and perform to be better than a few of those I've seen at these lower prices. If a woman is delusional and thinks her services are worth more than this and chooses another line of work, I don't think her absence from the market is any hobbyist's loss.

All these indicate that at $160 to $200 some girls are already having problems getting calls.

Supply has a lot to do with it. When you look at current agency rosters, the cupboards aren't exactly bare. It would be interesting to know what effect the economy has had on the supply of SPs.

It would also be interesting to know what effect the socialization of girls has had on the apparent glutt of SPs because it seems like as time goes on it becomes more accepted by the masses for women to be just as slutty as guys have traditionally been. It's a small step to go from random hook-ups and non-committed FWBs to charging random guys for sex; a lot of SPs have flat-out told me that they see no difference, except for the fact that they're getting money, instead of dinner and drinks, by turning tricks. Scholars have argued that the socialization of girls has negatively affected demand for SPs because hook-ups and FWBs with non SPs have progressively become more available, but I don't think they have really explored how the socialization of girls may have positively affected the supply of SPs, keeping prices reasonable despite a possible fall in demand. Time will tell whether the increased promiscuity of women and availability of "quality" girls as SPs, combined with the pervasiveness of porn and the idolization of perfect beauty by the media, will eventually increase demand for SPs (and drive prices back up) as guys look at their options and say, "Why would I ever commit to that?"
 

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...the sps today are younger, provide better service and I have no problem booking them at the time I want... at $160 to $200 some girls are already having problems getting calls. This is a great time to hobby.
I think there are some exceptional ones out there at $200 and below. I can't imagine how different a woman could possibly look and perform to be better than a few of those I've seen at these lower prices. If a woman is delusional and thinks her services are worth more than this and chooses another line of work, I don't think her absence from the market is any hobbyist's loss.
agree 100%.

It's a small step to go from random hook-ups and non-committed FWBs to charging random guys for sex; a lot of SPs have flat-out told me that they see no difference, except for the fact that they're getting money, instead of dinner and drinks...
i agree, there is no difference. i can't imagine any hobbyist disagreeing.

if you were to compare income opportunities between young girls & boys (18-21), how many are there for boys to make $100/hr cash legally and pick your own hours?
 

Possum Trot

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I voted for $300 as being the minimum but that does not mean you absolutely can't find it at $200 or $250. The other aspect of this is that more often than not you will have a 2 hour minimum.

For whatever reason I have favoured this market segment from the beginning ever since I came across Alissa's at $450 for 2 hours in 2000. As time went on it was FKS at the same price and all their girls who went in and out of being independent. $450 became $500 and now $600 for entry level with most well reviewed women being at $700 for 2 hours and a few at even higher. At $600/2 for non-independents you currently have MGF as a perfect example. They are $300/. I have seen maybe 5 and just my own personal ratings I would say 2 of those should not be in this market segment and 1 could easily command the $700/2. So $300 seems to be the right cutoff to me.

What is HDH to me ? Looks, grace, grooming, style, skill, and class. Holt Renfrew vs Le Chateau.
 
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Aeolus

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10/10 Clothing / lingerie / shoes

That's a funny one, General Grub. In my experience, this is the category SPs are most likely to bomb on. While I occasionally have one show-up who is dressed nicely, I've never had a SP score a 10/10 for clothing. The usual is probably a 5 or a 6/10. Since I've never booked a HDH, I wonder whether they actually do dress any nicer. Based on their photos, they are certainly no prettier.
 

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Given the recent "news" I tend to believe that there will be an influx of hoties very soon. The HDH prices will be under pressure, probably forcing the high water mark at a sub 200 dollar range.
 

Possum Trot

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Given the recent "news" I tend to believe that there will be an influx of hoties very soon. The HDH prices will be under pressure, probably forcing the high water mark at a sub 200 dollar range.
If you are talking about the prostitution laws being struck down that was in Ontario. Legalization has not proven to be a catalyst for significant lowering of prices in other countries where it is legal - Australia, Netherlands, Germany etc. In fact it has had the opposite impact as with legalization came regulation, corporate pimps, taxes, and increased marketing.

And Aeolus, I would recommend you try Mora More who I think dresses exceptionally well. There are many other examples but I'm pretty sure she will knock your socks off, even if they have holes in them.
 

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I think currently, Chloe at $200 per hour for 2 hour minimum is a good HDH benchmark.
 
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