What's with all the touchy feely crap when it comes to MP/SP?

[dirtierasigetolder]

I've got a simple question, what's with all the touchy feely comments about the SP/MP? I read threads about the girls and eventually sooner or later there is a post on something emotional or something "special" about the SP/MP. God forbid somebody says something that sounds disrespectful about the SP/MP, then the panties start running up and they get blasted. I mean even in the guidelines to post it says be respectful of the ladies. Here's what I don't get, why do we care so much? I mean I'm pretty sure they don't care about us, we're only another form of ATM machine for them. What's with all the talk about how "we talked" or how "she made me feel like she cared". Are we scared that if the girls come on the board and read what we're saying they won't have sex with us anymore? I mean yeah they're doing this job cause they have so many other options!

I of course, being in the camp of the pigs, have a theory or two.

Theory #1:

Some of us have a hard time meeting women in real life and we're lacking that female companionship. We instead buy it and let feelings get the better of us.

Theory #2:

Some of us have family lives that give us no control and we look to connect with another human being and control that relationship. But it can't feel like we're paying for the control, we have to take ownership and make ourselves believe there is a relationship there to control.

Theory #3:

The average male is so dumb that he actually buys in to the "your different from all the other clients" line. Actually believes the line and starts imagining there is a relationship forming.

It pains me to believe Theory #3 is probably the most likely one since even I on occasion have fallen for it. Granted I'm a dirty bastard and generally not a nice person so it's effect is minimal

So comes back down to what's with all the mushy crap? Like when I go pay for some action I don't expect to yap about my feelings, I expect some nasty ass action. I want shit I can't get the wife to do and look her in the eyes the next morning. I expect a human fuck doll not a friend

You know, I know I'm gonna be flamed for talking about this...I got $10 somebody calls my mother a woolly mammoth

 

[Sammy101]

dirtierasigetolder, seems like some one pissed in your cornflakes
BUT VERY WELL WRITTEN !!!

Sam

 

[n00b]

dirtier, yours is one valid way to look at things, but just because I'm paying for a service doesn't mean that I have to extract only the service. I have a rapport with my dentist because we went to the same school though some 10 years apart. I also think it's important to be on good terms with people who can seriously fuck you up. You dentist can use a little less Novacaine than required, and your SP, well, has your weenie in her mouth, so you do the math.

Granted, sometimes the lovie dovie crap on this board gets bit much. Heck, I have had SPs give me their numbers because "we had a great time" or because "you're such a cute guy." I know it's BS, and they know it's BS, but what can you do. It's part of the service they're selling.

 

[Regular Guy]

Of bitches and Sweethearts!

Well dirtier I wont be calling your mother a Wooly Mammoth. But I suspect I fall into the category you describe. What's about all the touchy feely crap, you ask. Where to start: Well first off let's talk about you. Being married I would guess that investing emotionally in all this isn't even an issue with you. The home life, kids and generally history you have with your significant other is where your spirit really lies. So this is play time for you. Down and dirty. Well you are getting what you pay for so what's with the bitching? When you walk in the door the girl sizes you up (Just in case it escaped you they have your number my friend) and they deliver. You have it all your way. Lucky you. Some of these girls don't have it quite so lucky. Their past would would frighten any sane person. Some need love and affection. Some have been hardened and you are just an ATM to them. And yes some are just downright rotten out to take you for all they can get. So what do we do? Really make them believe that what they suspected is really true? That we all think like you? I know that some are so far gone that anything but a dysfunctional relationship is out of the question and truly believe we guys are all like that. Maybe so. But there are are some nice girls in this biz. I have met them. There is an old saying that if you want to make her act more like a lady try being more of a gentleman. Create an atmosphere of respect and appreciation and you will be amazed at what you will get back. And why not. In this world you cannot control how others will act. The only control you have is how you will respond to others. Try reading Victor Frankl, Man's Search For Meaning. But I believe that how you respond can change others. You have labeled yourself and are proud of it. But don't be too ready to wave that flag so high. The girls also will respond to you exactly how you feel they should. But I repeat, create an atmosphere of love, trust and friendship and it will blow your mind what you will get back. Yes I know some may try to take advantage but we soon weed them out. And if you are secure in your masculinity and yourself, personally, then you have nothing to lose. But in the final analysis all of this may mean nothing to you. And I hope you find the animals you are looking for. But leave the sweethearts to us.

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

Some need love and affection. But there are are some nice girls in this biz. I have met them. There is an old saying that if you want to make her act more like a lady try being more of a gentleman. Create an atmosphere of respect and appreciation and you will be amazed at what you will get back.

Truer words has not been said in a long time. I agree with you 100% and here's an example that backs up what you say:

I suffer from winter depression. I went to see Valerie back in January for a season and as soon as I walked in the door she realized that I was feeling depressed. I won't go into details as our conversation was private, but she asked me what was wrong and we started talking. To make a long story short, we talked for almost 2hrs and I really appreciated a listening ear. I offer to pay her for her time even though we didn't do anything and she refused my money and was just happy to make me feel better. I don't know any other MP or SP that would do that. It's nice to see a MP treat me like a human being rather than a walking bank account. I use to think that all SPs and MPs were just cheep, trashy women who could careless about their clients. Valerie has since changed my point of view.

This is something that we should all think about.

 

[dirtierasigetolder]

Well dirtier I wont be calling your mother a Wooly Mammoth. But I suspect I fall into the category you describe. What's about all the touchy feely crap, you ask. Where to start: Well first off let's talk about you. Being married I would guess that investing emotionally in all this isn't even an issue with you. The home life, kids and generally history you have with your significant ......

I don't know, think you guys are barking up the wrong tree. If what you're looking for is somebody to complete you emotionally and spiritually then financial should play no part in it.

I know I come across as a pure ass but it's not cause I'm not a caring giving man, it's just that I can't ever fathom paying somebody to be there for me emotionally or spiritually. BDC quoted depressed in winter, well I apologize because this person shouldn't be seeing a hooker but a psychiatrist. The guy got 2 hours of free talking to a woman who, I'll go out on a limb, is not qualified to help anybody, not even herself.

Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.

Karl Marx said that, my all time favorite quote. It's sad to say but it's the truth, they offer a service, a service that has been around for a long time. Take that service and enjoy it, don't try to glorify it or change it.

That said, if your thing is trying to show this lady how a gentleman treats a woman and how great of a man you are then by all means, do it. I just think your deluding yourself in saying it's for her and to show her respect. It's all about you and justifying to yourself why you need to pay for your emotional needs. Or you actually believe that she'll throw away her inhibitions cause your such a nice guy. I don't know but somebody in this mix is delusional.

Also, I wonder what if she buys your act? What if she falls for it 100%, what then? Will you date her? Will you try to save her? Do you want to marry an SP? Who's doing more harm to the lady, you or I? At least with me they get a simple no emotional strings attached business transaction.

A pair of powerful spectacles has sometimes sufficed to cure a person in love

Friedrich Nietzsche said that and I believe it applies to a lot of us.

I'm currently reading a biography of Einstein and I have to tell you this man must have been a merb. He's got a few quotes that apply to this

A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be
A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem { Loosely translated, human fuck doll not wife! }

Anyway, bottom line is we're all in this hobby for ourselves and we shouldn't be judging others just cause we don't approve of how they partake in the hobby. Who's to say I'm right and you're wrong

Treat her like gold but if I'm the next appointment then she's in for a rude awakening

 

[Regular Guy]

Raise the bar

Okay I don't think I quite got my point across so let me qualify it a bit.

First, I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I am well aware of the realities and the dangers of emotionally investing here. The very fact of money paid puts a whole different complexion on things. You are right there. So if that is true then we all should be just looking for a (How did you put it - “a fuck doll”). Well we could solve this in a couple of ways. You could go down to the junk yard, pick up a used mannequin, drill a hole in the nether regions and stuff it full of liver. Or alternately take a stroll downtown, find some crackhead, hose her down and pork her in the back alley. On the surface some of them look pretty good at least good enough to pork by the standards you have expressed here.

But if that were true then how is it that we have different levels of entertainment offered here. Let me offer this partial quote typical of a higher priced independent:

This high class beautiful independent companion is all natural, beautiful, very petite, sophisticated, sweet, refined, classy, articulate, stimulating, sensual, normal and genuine. She is easy to talk to and fun to be with. Having graduated from nationally accredited universities with two degrees, she has a part-time professional job and is well-traveled.

xxxxxx is based in xxxxxxxxx. She provides OUTCALL SERVICE to UPSCALE HOTELS and SELECT RESIDENCES. She caters to select discerning and discreet upscale gentlemen for quality companionship and social activities.

Now this lady is typical of the upscale independent. I'm guessing at least $300/hr and maybe a two hour minimum. But who cares about all the extras. Question is: “Does she pork good?” If the answer to that question defines what we do then I can assure you she would not be in business long. Hell you can get porked for cheaper than that. I've heard of scoring for $40 and a chocolate bar.(No disrespect intended)

But that isn't my real point. It is my belief that people often tend to tend to rise to the level of our expectations hence “If you want her to be more of a lady try being more of a gentleman.” I know that some of the girls are a bad risk but what have you lost if you try? For me the encounter is about the overall experience. And if I treat a girl like hamburger, what does that say about me? About my humanity, about what kind of a man I am.

Now I know you are probably for the most part a good guy and maybe have never thought these points through before. So in the end my point is, let's try to “raise the bar” here shall we for all our sakes, the girls included. Would it kill you to do that? The girls feel so great being treated like ladies. Some have never had that in their lives. Try it. It may not work every time but in the end I think you'll feel like a million bucks about yourself. And I'll bet it will make for a richer experience all around. And happy sp'ing guy.

 

[General Gonad]

Anyway, bottom line is we're all in this hobby for ourselves and we shouldn't be judging others just cause we don't approve of how they partake in the hobby. Who's to say I'm right and you're wrong

Treat her like gold but if I'm the next appointment then she's in for a rude awakening

You might be in for the rude awakening if you meet some of the strong-headed SPs I've met. Try treating Kim, Luna, Bianca, Cassey and others with an ioda of self-respect, like fuck dolls and you're the one who will get fucked, not them.

Some guys just don't get it. It's not about being mushy or touchy feely. It's about treating the ladies with respect, not two-bit whores whose sole purpose is to satisfy your sexual needs. If you get off on that, then go see the junkies on the streets (at your own risk).

It all comes down to how you see the ladies you choose to be with. If you reduce them to worthless fuck dolls, then they'll treat you like you make them feel. I prefer treating them with respect, which means I take my time to get to know them a little, firmly believing that a great sexual encounter begins with mental stimulation.

If all I wanted was a hole with tits and an ass, then I'd be better off staying at home to shag off.

GG

 

[dirtierasigetolder]

Regular Guy & GG, let's agree to disagree. I think you guys are looking for love in all the wrong places. I probably come across a lot harsher then what I am in real life but I draw a very distinct line and I never cross it. I'm paying for a service NOT A FRIEND.

To each his own, as long as you're having fun. Bet you guys always take the 1 hour appointments. Honestly, think how much you would save taking 30 minute appointments if you just skipped all the bullshit.

And RG, the reason I don't just go and get a crack whore but instead pay the extra bucks is because I believe if I'm paying for it might as well get high quality. I have a really hot wife and I refuse to bang anything less then my wife. At the very least she has to be as hot if not hotter. But she's still just a fuck doll for me

 

[General Gonad]

I have a really hot wife and I refuse to bang anything less then my wife.

At least we have one thing in common. Now, if I could only get my wife to bang me more often than once in a blue moon.

GG

P.S. I never fell in love with an SP but I did allow myself to get too close for comfort. Never again.

 

[Rexroth]

...but I draw a very distinct line and I never cross it. I'm paying for a service NOT A FRIEND.

To each his own, as long as you're having fun. Bet you guys always take the 1 hour appointments. Honestly, think how much you would save taking 30 minute appointments if you just skipped all the bullshit.

I agree with the first sentence. However, there are services and there are services. There’s sticking your cock into a warm and wet place and then there’s turning the session into a work of art. In short, what I usually pay for is a zipless fuck with an interesting and hopefully interested (if only transitory) woman. I always take the 1 hour (if not 2) so I can work on the interested part. Perhaps that part is what you call the bullshit part, but, for my money (and that, after all, is what we are talking about – money for the service I want), that part, which is not to be confused with anything touchy feely, is what makes the fuck part great.

 

[dirtierasigetolder]

I agree with the first sentence. However, there are services and there are services. There’s sticking your cock into a warm and wet place and then there’s turning the session into a work of art. In short, what I usually pay for is a zipless fuck with an interesting and hopefully interested (if only transitory) woman. I always take the 1 hour (if not 2) so I can work on the interested part. Perhaps that part is what you call the bullshit part, but, for my money (and that, after all, is what we are talking about – money for the service I want), that part, which is not to be confused with anything touchy feely, is what makes the fuck part great.

I can respect that Rex. If you need that for the end goal service to be better then by all means shell out the cash. I still recommend you try once going in there and using her like a fuck doll. Warn her in advance all the stuff you want to do, she has to be ok with it. If she is, whoop it out and beat her with it.

Do and say shit to her that would make Ron Jeromy blush. I tell you, you'll leave that session completely satisfied I know I do

 

[General Gonad]

Now to escorts: my choice is simple, they are my friends.

sapman99,

I have no problem treating SPs with the utmost respect, but your post is way too touchy, feely, even for me. As far as true friends, I don't know about you, but I know my friends inside out. I know where they live, what they like and dislike, I spend time with them having fun, drinking a coffee or going for lunch, not to mention that I know their last name.

I do not think "tenderness" is required to bring about a sexual reaction. This is nonsense. They are actresses who will perform given the right conditions. That is all there is it to it. They are not your friends. I do not rent my friends.

GG

 

[dirtierasigetolder]

sapman99,

I have no problem treating SPs with the utmost respect, but your post is way too touchy, feely, even for me. As far as true friends, I don't know about you, but I know my friends inside out. I know where they live, what they like and dislike, I spend time with them having fun, drinking a coffee or going for lunch, not to mention that I know their last name.

I do not think "tenderness" is required to bring about a sexual reaction. This is nonsense. They are actresses who will perform given the right conditions. That is all there is it to it. They are not your friends. I do not rent my friends.

GG

GG are you turning to the dark side...GG I AM YOUR FATHER

Sapman good for you but dude I'm gonna hurl

 

[General Gonad]

GG are you turning to the dark side...GG I AM YOUR FATHER

Sapman good for you but dude I'm gonna hurl

I am not turning to the dark side but I was going to hurl myself after reading that post. Some members take encounters for more than they are. They need to come down from the proverbial celestial clouds and admit that there are boundaries in these relationships that make friendships next to impossible.

GG

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

dirtierasigetolder,
I don't think you understand the point I was trying to make. I didn't go see her seeking consul or emotional comfort. It was her who noticed that I was a little down and insisted that we talk. She was genially concern and yes many times I've paid for an hour and after the hour I would be in her kitchen talking about this and that for another two, three hours just enjoying each others company.

My point is that not all SPs, MPs, SWs see their clients as just walking ATMs. Some just like many of the hobbyists here are lonely too and don't know how to have a normal relationship either so their job provides a closeness that they can't find otherwise.

 

[dirtierasigetolder]

dirtierasigetolder,
I don't think you understand the point I was trying to make. I didn't go see her seeking consul or emotional comfort. It was her who noticed that I was a little down and insisted that we talk. She was genially concern and yes many times I've paid for an hour and after the hour I would be in her kitchen talking about this and that for another two, three hours just enjoying each others company.

My point is that not all SPs, MPs, SWs see their clients as just walking ATMs. Some just like many of the hobbyists here are lonely too and don't know how to have a normal relationship either so their job provides a closeness that they can't find otherwise.

I see...is it normal my stomach hurts...Reading this and sapmans post is more then I can handle...Oh crap here it comes...I LOVE YOU GUYS

Tears coming down my eyes, emotions overflowing....

Hehe...I get you buddy...whatever does it for you guys...I'm not judging anybody and if that's what does it for you then all the power to you...just don't go over your time yapping it up with her when I'm the next appointment...I'll be screwing the keyhole to the door if I gotta wait 2 hours for you to finish yapping with her

 

[metoo4]

...I don't have time like some to jump in every time to get the last word in. Your last reply just adds fuel to a fire I said I did not want to feed anymore.

But... How come you replied? GOT YA!! LOL!! Are we having fun or what?

 

[dirtierasigetolder]

But... How come you replied? GOT YA!! LOL!! Are we having fun or what?

Hey stop that, you're going to make him cry

 

[Big Daddy Cool]

I see...is it normal my stomach hurts...Reading this and sapmans post is more then I can handle...Oh crap here it comes...I LOVE YOU GUYS

Tears coming down my eyes, emotions overflowing....

Hehe...I get you buddy...whatever does it for you guys...I'm not judging anybody and if that's what does it for you then all the power to you...just don't go over your time yapping it up with her when I'm the next appointment...I'll be screwing the keyhole to the door if I gotta wait 2 hours for you to finish yapping with her

My friend, I like your humar. We may not agree on this thread, but I admire the respect you show other posters. Also I like your honesty on the marraige poll thread and I like your style. take care.