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Halloween Mike

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Halloween Mike, come on, you seemed like such a nice guy!

It's really insulting for the women who chose not to shave. If it's not your thing just don't meet those girls but don't start complaining about it, come on. Their bodies, their choice. If it's reaaaally a turn off for you, just fricking ASK when booking with someone. Geez!

My point was not to be insulting or anything. Sorry if its been seen that way. I think the problem is if you apply this the other way around then what peoples would say? I try to make sure to trim my groin region the best as i can with the tools available to me because i know women in general do not like when they pull down the pants to see the amazonian forest down there. I think its common respect. On the same note, would you provide rimming to an hairy buttcrack? Maybe you would, i dunno, but lots of escorts would not.

I am not a daty fan myself but i know lots of guys are, and maybe they would not like to discover she is hairy downstair upon removing her panties. Now if she completely disclose that she is hairy and all, fine, the guy knows what to expect, but what if not?

This is the sex industry, the body of the women is what is craved for by the men partaking. Its not different than modeling for instance. Companies usually hire models that fit the standard because its what sell. Altough peoples have the right to look like they want(you are right about this), when you work in a certain industry, i think body look do have its importance.

So again, sorry if i offended you Rosie. Je suis pas sur comment le dire en anglais alors je vais le dire en francais... Je suis disons un peu direct parfois, et on me dit parfois que je suis pas le meilleur exemple de "skill social" si je peux dire. Bref je pourrais jamais être politicien lol. Mais je crois pas que ce que j'ai dit fait de moi une mauvaise personne...

As for the old debate of natural vs fake boobs, i think there fans of both. I like both personally. But in any case its usually disclosed by the agencies and indies so its something you know before going as well. I don't think this is relevant to the question here.
 

jalimon

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All those who say absence of hair is driven by the porn industry has never seen the best porn of all... Japanese porn!

Cheers,
 

AmberRose

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Halloween Mike

What you find attractive is not what everyone else does.

Most men, key word being men here, do prefer hair on more than just the head, because that's what they grew up with, saw in movies, porn, etc.

Porn changed when hair got in the way of lighting so they started shaving, and that's when hairless became the norm, not because it's more attractive. Younger men prefer hairless because it's what they know, but you, and the other young guys, don't actually like hairless because it's more attractive, it's just what you were conditioned with through porn and media. Hence why older men prefer hair.

Okay, conversation done, start your own thread to discuss this further so we can stay on track.

BTW a good portion of other providers have a bush occasionally, but not always: Delilah Sansregret, Camille Haring and some other names are escaping me, but I'll find em!
 
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Hence why older men prefer hair.

I really disagree with you on this one. When it comes to hair or no hair, each to their own. But the vast majority of older men ( at least those I know of) prefer shaved or better yet permanently laserfied. I personally have said no to SP’s who had some will of wisp between their legs. Anyways, it’s not that important in the global setting.
 

AmberRose

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I really disagree with you on this one. When it comes to hair or no hair, each to their own. But the vast majority of older men ( at least those I know of) prefer shaved or better yet permanently laserfied. I personally have said no to SP’s who had some will of wisp between their legs. Anyways, it’s not that important in the global setting.

As someone who has worked in this industry having sex with probably more men than you/also chatting with providers who also have sex with lots of men, you are incorrect.

Let's repeat to ourselves shall we? "What I find attractive is not what everyone else finds attractive." Good job, now have a seat :)
 

jalimon

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Even if I need to say I do not really care that much I need to say the first real true SP I met in the biz about 3 years ago (who was a starting indy now working for a top agency in montreal) told me after our first meet up "hey ok you are cool and I really want to see you again. But you got to shave that forest ok? Stone age is done, understood?" haha my god never got much hair after that girl believe me ;)

Cheers,
 

Rosie Sparkles

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Sorry Rosie, why the double standard?
You find HM comments insulting but Amber's condescending remarks funny.

Well she is not saying that someone is ugly because of a thing she doesn't find attractive, she is not being harsh or making someone feel bad about their apparence. So.... nah it's not the same thing! Sorry but all I understand from Amber is that she is body positive and try her best to make everyone feel beautiful. Wich is something I try to do myself! :) Everyone can have their own taste but please don't begin calling something you don't like disgusting or ugly! ~~ It DO hurt people~~
 

AmberRose

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Rosie,
I don't disagree with you it is not the right thing to do to call someone ugly or to shame anyone about their body.

It is also not funny to answer people in a condescending offensive manner either, belittling someone can be equally as offensive as body shaming even if it may be therapeutic to their ego.



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As it turns out, taking my stress out on silly hobbyists on the review boards is AMAZING therapy, I highly recommend! ��

Am I supposed to be ashamed by my tweet or comments here? You guys are silly. And also really mean and abusive and awful but that's besides the point.

This thread was to recommend providers with hairy armpits or bush, which a few of us were doing, HM decided to derail to talk about what he finds gross on women's bodies, same with some other men on here, and I was just correcting y'all. And being condescending ya because the comments I was replying to had it coming. If you're finding my comments offensive to your frail ego, then I apologize for hurting your little feelings, but maybe you should toughen the heck up. We have to put up with far worse from all of you on here, I have zero sympathy for any of you.
And just so we're clear, I would never body shame any of you. Your bodies are all worthy of love and respect, hair or not. Your brains, on the other hand, are a totally different matter.

Also Rosie, you're fantastic and beautiful and I love you! :)
 

AmberRose

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My little feelings have taken a lot more than you can ever dish out believe me.
To the best of my knowledge I don't offend people in general , which you have a habit of doing.

Every time you come on this board it is the same condescending putting people in their place attitude.
So young and yet so angry at the world, taking it out on others is not therapeutic at all.
But of course we are the mean ones .
Maybe I should donate to that vacation.

I come on here with that attitude because I seriously dislike all of you. I'm not angry with the world, I'm angry with you.

Here, I wrote a little something for you :)
https://twitter.com/AmberRosemtl/st...y|twsrc^android|twgr^copy|twcon^7090|twterm^0

Also glad to hear you're a follower! ;)
 

jalimon

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We have to put up with far worse from all of you on here, I have zero sympathy for any of you.

Ca a le mérite d'être clair. En une phrase ca résume que les clients sont pire que nous ici. Peut être il serait temps de regarder à faire autre chose. Je dis ca comme ca et sans malice. On passe tous par là à un moment ou un autre.

Cheers,
 

AmberRose

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Cool so now that we've established that I don't like any of you(it's cool, I know you don't care for me either, we can have some hate sex some other time), and the fact that some men don't like body hair, which is entirely irrelevant to the thread, let's get back to the topic :)
 
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Ca a le mérite d'être clair. En une phrase ca résume que les clients sont pire que nous ici. Peut être il serait temps de regarder à faire autre chose. Je dis ca comme ca et sans malice. On passe tous par là à un moment ou un autre.

Cheers,

Non, elle est tous le temps ça avec toutlemonde, ami, ses copines, sa famille. Enfin c’est vraiment triste. J’ai pitié d’elle
 

Halloween Mike

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Wow ok, never expected my comment to make such waves. Lets just be clear on some things shall we?

All those who say absence of hair is driven by the porn industry has never seen the best porn of all... Japanese porn!

Yeah well this is exactly what i was telling somebody else today. I love asian women in general, but everytime i try to watch japanese porn i just can't get into it... The mosaic is one thing and obviously the bushes ... But i love to see Asian women in american porn tough... ;)

What you find attractive is not what everyone else does.

Most men, key word being men here, do prefer hair on more than just the head, because that's what they grew up with, saw in movies, porn, etc.

Porn changed when hair got in the way of lighting so they started shaving

Obviously everything is relative to the age. Maybe you are right about 70 years old older men. I am talking about 20 to 40 men, not senior citizens. This is a standard in society now and its been for a while. I still remember when i was a kid and stumbling upon playboys and such and a stripe was the most there would be. And we are talking 25 to 30 years ago(the magazine where many years old). C'est un feeling general que sa aparais plus "propre" d'etre rasé. And i really doubt lightning have anything to do with that. Guys love to see "stuff" in there porn. They want to see the vagina, not a big bush covering it up.

prefer shaved or better yet permanently laserfied. I personally have said no to SP’s who had some will of wisp between their legs

Yes exactly. Unless pictures clearly show otherwise, i would expect fully shaved arm pit and legs and if not completely shaved, at least very trimmed downstairs. Like i said a stripe is ok, i could even be ok with a V if its well trimmed.

told me after our first meet up "hey ok you are cool and I really want to see you again. But you got to shave that forest ok? Stone age is done, understood?"

Exactly what i would expect. I spoke to a new SP couple years ago, i helped her a bit getting started as an indy, and i still remember one of our conversation after her first couple days. She mentioned she had a client with a huge forest down there and how it grossed her out. I can't speak for everybody but im sure most SPs in there 20s or 30s probably are not fond of huge bushies downstairs for there men, even if they enjoy chest hair and a more "masculine" look. Personally i shave all i can, and i trim the rest as best as i can. I always have touble doing the balls, always fear of cutting myself. So usually i do it with sicsors, its long and it ain't perfect but its better than just letting it groom. In counter part i never expect to a BLS. If she does cool, if she does not i understand. But around the dick its shaved.

Same goes for the buttcrack... i just can't shave it myself, but i would never ask to be rimmed either...

Well she is not saying that someone is ugly because of a thing she doesn't find attractive,Everyone can have their own taste but please don't begin calling something you don't like disgusting or ugly! ~~ It DO hurt people~

As i said Rosie, my social skills are maybe not the best i know that, but my point was not to call anybody ugly or else. I just don't even understand we have this conversation. I mean its not if i made a comment on somebodies weight or skin tone or such. I genuinly tough every women, at least the ones who do enjoy being feminine, where shaving in 2018 or doing the laser thingy. I was just shock. Its not like its something you have no control over like a birthmark or something. If you work in the sex industry, you body is a "tool" to your business in a way, so even if it mean going at the salon to have the more tricky parts done, i think its worth the $ and just "normal stuff".

I come on here with that attitude because I seriously dislike all of you. I'm not angry with the world, I'm angry with you.

Maybe this line of work is not suited for you Amber. You seem to dislike and have disgust for most of the hobbyist... wich are your bread and butter...

I read your tweets (because you link them, and no im not a follower and will not be) and honestly you seem to ignore an important thing about this industry. Clients are the ones paying. Judging a service is totally normal. Reviews where meant to speak of look, services, attitude etc. Peoples judge in every domain. The difference is obviously if you pay for an haircut or food in a restaurant, you don't care what the hairdresser or the chef look like, as long as they give you the haircut and food you wanted. Here we pay for a multitude of things. We pay for the service yes, but look is important as well.

As it been discussed in a different thread i am not for being jerky either. Especially on things peoples have no control over. But i don't think mentioning that in 2018 its "normal" to be shaved is bad or jerky. Its something you definately have control over.

Every domain link to beauty and apearence there will always be judging, for women AND MALE !! Models are always on a strick diet, making sure to look the exact part because otherwise they won't have job. I follow somebody on youtube who used to do modeling and in one of her storytime she mentioned she was refuse for a job because she had a tatoo on HER FOOT !!! And the ads was for a pizzeria... If i remember correctly the tatoo was not even gonna be shown on the ads but the dude in charge prefered to have a model who was completely tatoo free. Was it dumb? Yeah... but thats life.

Anyway i could keep on going for hours and im sure you would not change your view of me or the hobbyist. It is what it is.
 

Julia Sky

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Just would like to point out that a lot of people love armpit hair on women, too. There is demand for that (as you can see from this thread). I dont want to argue with you because I would have many things to say but I appreciate you and don't want to go there. There are lots of things people have control over but still don't do and it's perfectly fine... Like shaving your balls entirely is one example. Double standard..

But again, I don't want to argue with you. I think this conversation should be over. A mod should clean the thread and let's just get back to the purpose of the thread...
 

Halloween Mike

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Just would like to point out that a lot of people love armpit hair on women, too. There is demand for that (as you can see from this thread).

There is a demand for everything. Every guy has its own fantasies. Some love women with bald head for instance, but i wouldn't say its "popular" or a huge demand for it.

Somebody once told me a story that one of his friend had a girlfriend who loved dirty... She would insist on giving a blowjob to her boyfriend when he would come back from a long day at work under the sun... and before he showered. Lets just say its an unusual fantasy but it exist lol...

Some peoples love poop play... again unusual but if you search for it , not hard to find on the internet.

So yes there can definately be a market for hairy arm pit. But can we agree that its not a STANDARD of beauty. Its not mainstream and if you go on the street ask guys about it, it may take a while to get a person who enjoy this. Thats what i meant.

There are lots of things people have control over but still don't do and it's perfectly fine... Like shaving your balls entirely is one example. Double standard..

Hum i can understand where you are coming from with this but i think there is a difference. First the person i am gonna see will not be craving my body... I am the one paying for the service. Secondly as i said i never expect to get my balls licked. She can totally avoid this region if she want to. I don't have sex in my regular civilian life so obviously it is irrelevant during this time. Also i dunno how much can cost an epilation at the salon but its probably at the very least 60$, if not much more. I can't afford to pay this for a one time meeting. BUT as i said i trim as best as i can, like very very short.

I think the double standard does not apply when its 2 different thing. I mean if i go eat at a 5 star restaurant, i expect the food to be damn awesome, of extremely high quality cause im paying good money for it. If my friend invite me to a BBQ party and cook some hamburgers, ill be very happy.

I often see escorts on backpage mention something along the line of "i offer good service and good service is not cheap" , damn i can't remember the exact quote but its along those lines. Meaning that if we want something good we should expect to pay for it, wich i agree, but if i pay prenium price i obviously expect to see someone who take good care of her body. As i am paying for a fantasy.

If i was a good looking guy trust me i would be like this guy

http://i39.tinypic.com/jjy36b.jpg

Shaved everywhere, tanned and everything. lol

Anyway i guess we can agree to disagree there ;)

A discussion and argumentation can be civile and with respect after all.
 
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