Why is the east so pro Liberal?

[Sol Tee Nutz]

First I am also against the proposed Harper anti-prostitution law ( do not think it will pass ) and think all political parties are out for themselves and have little concern for the general population. Other than that the Conservatives have done a great job keeping our economy good during the world wide recession. There is not one Liberal run province that is doing well, the Liberals were booted out of office here for being the most corrupt government in Quebec history ( Voted in again :lol: ) Are the Conservatives that bad to have either a separatist government or a corrupt government instead?
So what are the good points about the Liberals that makes you think they can run a country when they can not even run a province?

EDIT: OK, why are Quebec and Ontario so pro-Liberal?

 

[ezekiel]

Well i think liberals would make a better job to support economy in Ontario and Quebec ... Conservative are making a great job to support economy in west but for the east i do not believe they are supporting in a let say a fair manner

 

[BookerL]

First I am also against the proposed Harper anti-prostitution law ( do not think it will pass ) and think all political parties are out for themselves and have little concern for the general population. Other than that the Conservatives have done a great job keeping our economy good during the world wide recession. There is not one Liberal run province that is doing well, the Liberals were booted out of office here for being the most corrupt government in Quebec history ( Voted in again :lol: ) Are the Conservatives that bad to have either a separatist government or a corrupt government instead?
So what are the good points about the Liberals

Hi all
Interesting question ?
Ex Honorable Jean Charest Premier of Quebec was a Progressive Conservative!
Present NDP leader Thomas Mulcaire was a liberal in Jean Charest cabinet of Ministers!
Honorable René Levesques a former liberal!
The list goes on
As for the present Conservative its a merger between the old Progressive and Canadian Alliance witch Stephan Harper was the leader 2002-2003 preceeded Preston Manning reform Party from the West ?
All parties have platforms some better then others ,political agenda and taste for power !
And power corrupts?
Your question is certainly very complicated ?
Possibly contravertial?
But very valide!!
Regards
BookerL

 

[man77777]

Agree with Reverdy, "the East" doesn't mean anything, there are more than 2 (W/E) culture and way of seeing politics inside Canada.

 

[SylvainP]

The Conservative Party of Canada is a copy of the Tea Party. It governs with a religious ideology. That's why any other party could be better than this one.

 

[Guido]

A simple explanation is that people want something for nothing. The party that offers the most freebees tends to move the masses.

Obama is a perfect example . there are now over 45,000,000 freeloaders living on government food stamps.

 

[Roadtripr]

I don't know a thing about Canadian politics but I can tell you this about US politics and I'd guess that Canada might be similar.

In the US the more liberal areas of the country tend to be in more highly populated areas of the US. This would be the east and west coasts and also large cities in the middle like Chicago and Detroit.

Why? Because you have MORE people who stand to benefit from the policies of a liberal govt and receive the "services" usually associated.

And you tend to have higher educated population who tend to think more "socially responsible".

I don't know if this holds true with Canada but it makes sense that it would.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

A simple explanation is that people want something for nothing. The party that offers the most freebees tends to move the masses.

Obama is a perfect example . there are now over 45,000,000 freeloaders living on government food stamps.

But do the people realise that nothing is " Free " . Your cheap schools and free colleges, $7 daycare, cheap cigarettes and beer come at a price..... Being almost the highest taxed place in North America.
So far no good points about the Liberals just people do not like a conservative government for some reason.
And to Ezekiel : The federal government does nothing to help the west in jobs, the jobs in Quebec are not there due to political uncertainty, the jobs in Ontario are not there due to the high amount of union workers and when times are tough the expensive labour shuts down fast. And yes the Liberals would do good for the east jobs as they would over tax the west to give hand outs to the unions and other groups in the kind of central eastern provinces, something the Conservatives do not do. It is the provincial governments that are responsible for job creation, not the feds to give you free stuff so life is easier.
To me it does not make sense that a part time drama teacher with no political schooling has a chance to ruin this country.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

And you tend to have higher educated population who tend to think more "socially responsible".

I am guessing you mean Conservatives as getting free stuff in turn for higher taxes is not socially responsible.

 

[daydreamer41]

The Conservative Party of Canada is a copy of the Tea Party. It governs with a religious ideology. That's why any other party could be better than this one.

Again, the Tea Party has nothing to yo do with religion. It has to do with following the US Constitution, which is supposed support strong state's rights and a small Federal govetnment. The framers of the US Constitition were not religious people. They were against an official government religion.

The ignorance about the Tea Party on this board is astonishing.

 

[jeff teliska]

All i need to know about the Tea Party is the Confederate flags being waved at their rallies and that you will never see an Asian Black or Latino face at these same rallies..
Hmmm i wonder why..
Enough said.

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

The framers of the US Constitition were not religious people. They were against an official government religion.

The first part lacking of information and vision. Too many people define "religious" as being orthodox worshipers within some kind of well-ordered doctrine and bowing down unquestioningly to some deity. It's a narrow view. Regarding the U.S. "founding fathers", Thomas Jefferson as one of the bedrocks of philosophy on American government was religious. The fact that he had an independent mind about religion instead of allowing himself to be controlled by the borders of a strict religious doctrinal code has nothing to do with not being religious.

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs

"Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man."

The idea that anyone being against government sponsored religion mean they aren't religious is a very shallow perception. Separation of church and state, being against "official government religion", has nothing to do with being religious or not. It has to do with being well aware of the dangers of limiting beliefs to one state religion and believing in the right of individuals to worship in their own way without prejudice by the state/government. It simply reflects the principle that no one and no entity has the right to impose it's beliefs on anyone else.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=105

Another vital founding father, James Madison, had very strong beliefs about faith in personal beliefs but was adamant against government dictated religion. People like Daydreamer are mistaken when they take the concept of Separation of Church and State and superficially conclude the founding fathers were not religious. The truth is they separated firm personal religious beliefs from the imposition of any specific religious doctrine on others...especially by the government.

All i need to know about the Tea Party is the Confederate flags being waved at their rallies...
Enough said.

The Confederate flag is not entirely synonymous with racism just because slavery was one of the institutions the Confederacy fought to keep. The great majority who fought were not slave owners, and their more common cause was "States Rights". Then, to be fair, today there are still racists in many groups. Yet, the Tea Party does seem to do little if anything about the clear numbers of racists among them.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Roadtripr]

I am guessing you mean Conservatives as getting free stuff in turn for higher taxes is not socially responsible.

You guessed incorrectly but that statement was not adequately described due to my lack of time so probably should have omitted it.

Highly populated areas usu have many colleges and univ in those areas. The higher ed institutions tend to teach a liberal leaning slant and that is the way their professors lean as well. This translates to more liberals in that area. Students will tend to be politically liberal because that is what is taught and that is until they have a real job and pay real taxes.

I should have known to stay out of the political threads since I was not expressing an opinion at all, even though you read differently.

IMHO politics on a sex board don't mix. But politicians and sex is a completely different story.

 

[daydreamer41]

Hello all,



The first part shows an astonishing is the lack of information and vision. Too many people define "religious" as being orthodox worshipers within some kind of well-ordered doctrine and bowing down unquestioningly to some deity. It's a narrow view. Regarding the U.S. "founding fathers", Thomas Jefferson as one of the bedrocks of philosophy on American government was religious. The fact that he had an independent mind about religion instead of allowing himself to be controlled by the borders of a strict religious doctrinal code has nothing to do with not being religious.

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs

"Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man."

The idea that anyone being against government sponsored religion mean they aren't religious is a very shallow perception. Separation of church and state, being against "official government religion", has nothing to do with being religious or not. It has to do with being well aware of the dangers of limiting beliefs to one state religion and believing in the right of individuals to worship in their own way without prejudice by the state/government. It simply reflects the principle that no one and no entity has the right to impose it's beliefs on anyone else.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=105

Another vital founding father, James Madison, had very strong beliefs about faith in personal beliefs but was adamant against government dictated religion. People like Daydreamer are mistaken when they take the concept of Separation of Church and State and superficially conclude the founding fathers were not religious. The truth is they separated firm personal religious beliefs from the imposition of any specific religious doctrine on others...especially by the government.



The Confederate flag is not entirely synonymous with racism just because slavery was one of the institutions the Confederacy fought to keep. The great majority who fought were not slave owners, and their more common cause was "States Rights". Then, to be fair, today there are still racists in many groups. Yet, the Tea Party does seem to do little if anything about the clear numbers of racists among them.

Cheers,

Merlot

Merlot, how senseless your post is. The framers of the Constitution had religious affiliations, but they did not impose them on anyone. The Tea Party has no religious affiliation. They only want the US government to honor the US Constitution which leaves states the power to pass laws within their own borders without the Federal Government imposing its tyrannical will on its citizens.

To say that the framers of the Constitution were religious fanatics who wanted to impose their will on everyone is a LIE. The opposite was true.

To say that the Tea Party are religious fanatics who want to impose their will on everyone is a LIE. The opposite is true.

That is my point. Stop obscuring and misrepresenting the truth.

 

[Guido]

Thomas Jefferson struggled with religion and the existence of God all his life , but when it came to the Constitution , he was influenced by John Adams. John Adams was a religious man as well as many other of the Founding Fathers .

 

[daydreamer41]

All i need to know about the Tea Party is the Confederate flags being waved at their rallies and that you will never see an Asian Black or Latino face at these same rallies..
Hmmm i wonder why..
Enough said.

Enough said? You haven't said anything that is true or can be subztantiated. FYI, there sre minority members of the Tea Party. Anyone wbo tells you differently is a bold face liar.

 

[Merlot]

Oh God,

The framers of the US Constitition were not religious people.

The framers of the Constitution had religious affiliations, but they did not impose them on anyone.

You are sooooooo confused.

The latter is what I said, yet you call it "senseless". Senseless is the gross contradiction between your two statements. :crazy: You really should track what you say from one minute to the next.

To say that the framers of the Constitution were religious fanatics who wanted to impose their will on everyone is a LIE. The opposite was true.

To say that the Tea Party are religious fanatics who want to impose their will on everyone is a LIE. The opposite is true.

So you took my statement that "the principle that no one and no entity has the right to impose it's beliefs on anyone else" means the opposite of what it says. And where the hell did I even refer to the religious beliefs of the Tea Party at all? You display a scary disconnection from what was written and from any respect for truth, as well as a shocking inability to understand. In any case your knowledge of history is poor...very much so.

Daydreamer, it's perfectly clear you are badly uniformed historically, and your incredible dishonesty on my post is revolting. You seem to be desperately trying to backtrack on your earlier statement you made and attempting to blame others for what you very clearly said and meant.

Adieu,

Merlot

 

[Guido]

Merlot have you lost it ? Why are you using my quote in context to something that was written by someone else , "Buddy"?

Buddy is a term widely used by "the Trailer Park Boys" bty.

 

[hungry101]

I like the Libertarian movement within the Republican party. This is what appeals to me. I always thought the Tea Party was sick of excessive taxes? It sounds like the Tea Party and the Libertarians have similar beliefs.

I know that during the last election Ron Paul was the only Presidential candidate that would say that prostitution should be legal in the USA.

 

[daydreamer41]

I like the Libertarian movement within the Republican party. This is what appeals to me. I always thought the Tea Party was sick of excessive taxes? It sounds like the Tea Party and the Libertarians have similar beliefs.

I know that during the last election Ron Paul was the only Presidential candidate that would say that prostitution should be legal in the USA.

Absolutely true. The Tea Party stands for Constitutional followed government, which both parties are ignoring except a few in the Republican Party.