New anti "John" law going through senate hearings now. Conservatives have to push it through by December. So starting December 1st I imagine websites like G4U and Wildtimes will be illegal.
Will all the escort websites in Canada disappear on December 1st?
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Server's will be moved in escort friendly jurisdictions!
Merb has done it girls 4U also!
The rest that wants to stay active will have to follow!
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Booker
Yes, much like they've all disappeared in the US.
. Here in NYC I can't keep up with the number of available SP's. And contrary to Canadian belief, not all of the hotties are $350 or $400/hour, and I think the scene is as active as Montreal.The politics around C 36 suck, and some pols and LE will try to exploit it and garner some PR and media buzz with some busts, but as I said, I think little will change. Check out websites like jewels of NYC escorts and jays angels escorts in NYC and then tell me how Canadian escort sites will disappear.
The thing is for us the "vets" it won't change... We already have our independant favorites, our favorite agencies, they know you, and all will remain the same... for the time being. Of course escorts don't stay for 20 years in the business, and agencies come and go(altough thanksfully some remain in business a long time)
The thing is the new guys... for them it may be different, but i doubt the website themselves will change that much, the way of booking for them may. The thing is... its hard to define prostitution. Everytime i saw bust in the US its a cop posing as a street walker, she offer john the services for money, he agree, they bust him. Would the police really persecute johns who receive in there hotel room? And what if no money exchange really happen? Lets say i let the money in the bathroom under the counter in an envelope.. what prove i paid the girl for sexual services? Hell if a regular give money to his GF for restaurant and shopping and they have sex in the bathroom, could they be prosecuted for prostitution?
The whole thing has to be clear and all for the charges to remain... i doubt regular johns doing outcalls especially risk anything...
The thing is the new guys... for them it may be different, but i doubt the website themselves will change that much, the way of booking for them may. The thing is... its hard to define prostitution. Everytime i saw bust in the US its a cop posing as a street walker, she offer john the services for money, he agree, they bust him. Would the police really persecute johns who receive in there hotel room? And what if no money exchange really happen? Lets say i let the money in the bathroom under the counter in an envelope.. what prove i paid the girl for sexual services? Hell if a regular give money to his GF for restaurant and shopping and they have sex in the bathroom, could they be prosecuted for prostitution?
The whole thing has to be clear and all for the charges to remain... i doubt regular johns doing outcalls especially risk anything...
When I started, I didn't know anything about the law, about merb or how things worked. I don't think it will change much for the new guys, especially those who find merb and can now learn stuff before starting.
you are probably right, but i was extremely carefull when i started, thinking it was illegal and all, i learned it was not. Now new member will know its illegal in a way
The word tolorated is better they say legal .
The complexity of proving the crime (haha) witch if money exchange for sex is vey complicated not sex itself and their no law restricting the amount of boyfriend a lady can have .
I was investigated by the RCMP since I am such a good boy and had me under surveillance 24/7 and arrested me for things not related to escorts and they where teasing me about the amount of girlfriends I had ,they and did not care !I said to the sargent arresting me I was not jealous I could share one of my girlfriends with him .He declined .Hummmm :lol:
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Booker
Are you sure the owners of the websites will be shielded from prosecution? The subject of the advertising would be in Canada. In the US, the defense to charges of promoting prostitution via advertising has been the First Amendment freedom of speech clause. This defense has been successful. Bigdoggie.net is one example.
I suppose the owner could be prosecuted, but things might be more difficult to prove. They have no authority to collect evidence of offshore activities. Can they even prove who is the owner of an offshore website? My guess is they would not prosecute unless they had a serious reason to do it (more serious crimes involved).
Are you sure of what you are saying? Many countries have expedition and evidence sharing treaties with other countries. It is illegal for US citizens to travel using their passport for purposes of underaged sex. The crime is committed in another country yet the person faces charges in his or her home country and the host country, if applicable. I bet Canada has a similar law.
I don't they will go after the server owner, but rather the owner of the website, who is doing the actual advertising. The government will probably try to make examples. I don't know the Freedom of Speech laws in Canada and how it applies to advertising.
I am not certain of anything on that; just speculating. I am not certain how easy it is to legally identify the Canadian owner of a website that is outside of Canada. I'm sure if they really want to get proof on an offshore website they can probably do it. However, I think it is not as straightforward as if it is in Canada. It's unlikely they would waste time on that except for an important situation.
Hmmm,
Aren't the most vulnerable still going to be those connected to the agencies, owners, phone handlers, escorts, drivers, party organizers and associates? In order to get to the johns they are going to have to focus on the links that bring them in besides the board.
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Merlot
Aren't the most vulnerable still going to be those connected to the agencies, owners, phone handlers, escorts, drivers, party organizers and associates? In order to get to the johns they are going to have to focus on the links that bring them in besides the board.
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Merlot
You forgot to mention Belle de Jour. Holy shit! I think they have the hottest girls in the world... They are in the $300 to $400 range, but, phew! That would be "bdj girls" for you googlers & potential tourists...
BDJ gets mixed reviews. Sophia from BDJ is great Others like Brittany are GFE light. This agency has gone downhill in recent years. Much better off with Jays. Ginasgfes is also very good.
You don't need to spend a lot in NYC for quality. $300 / hour gets you good quality and service. I also think that in NYC one hour means one full hour. I feel in Montreal one hour = 50 minutes. But I still love hobbying in Montreal.
Considering Abigail and Anissa and the new Kristy, I think I'm gonna take my chances! But you're definitely right that you can find quality in NYC for $300. The only problem is that the ladies seem to be always traveling up and down the coast, so you never know who is going to be in town when you're ready for a meeting. You set a target date and then hope for the best.
Yes, much like they've all disappeared in the US.
The politics around C 36 suck, and some pols and LE will try to exploit it and garner some PR and media buzz with some busts, but as I said, I think little will change. Check out websites like jewels of NYC escorts and jays angels escorts in NYC and then tell me how Canadian escort sites will disappear.
The state laws in the US and Canada's new C-36 law are not the same. In the US, it is not illegal to advertise escort services or for advertisers to take advertisements from agencies (backpage, eros.com, etc), but it is illegal to collect money for the services. Part of C-36 outlaws advertising unless the escort is advertising herself. How the government of Canada will enforce this law if it passes remains to be seen.
No because they will just host the sites on servers in other countries.
Anyways... It's just politics as usual. Politicians don't care, they're using SP's too. They simply need trivia to sway the masses one way or the other, especially before elections or towards the end of their careers so that they can cement their legacy of hypocrisy.
You raise a good point, but I don't see how a government could enforce the advertising law given the ability of agencies to use offshore servers and hobby code.
I'd be interested to hear your perspective on how much things will change and if you think in many ways Canada's laws will be more restrictive or less conducive to hobbying than in the US.
I personally think the Canadian laws could be more problematic since they invite extortion and blackmail and leave a client little room to air a grievance.
And in the US, while certain cities might occasionally target johns as a matter of policy, politicians and LE would object to the Nordic model as law (not policy or procedure) for the reasons I had mentioned. Immunity is reserved for prosecutors, and it's logical to conclude that giving an escort automatic immunity is an invitation to the mob and other unsavory characters to blackmail and extort. And no one wants sex workers to be free to hand out handbills for sexual encounters in Times Square.
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How the proof is obtain can be challenge by a competent Criminal defense lawyer ,if the proof is deemed unadmisable they have nothing ,its not what the Police that counts its what they can prove without a shodow of doubt!
Trump charges can be brought also .Does it happen? In high profile cases it has !
Historically in prostitution in Quebec escort agency operators where never to much bothered by law enforcement unless they commited other crimes .
Such as hiring minors ,coercive methods ,drug trafficking ,line cloning ,Fraud ,and a few others.
We have to remember a Police isn't free sometimes very costly ,the superior officer authorizing the investigation or political figure wants to know before hand what are the odds of having convictions and what will he gain out of it .
Those guys loves to brag as much as a escort agency ownet brags about the quality of his roster .
Many escort agencies where busted because they where subject of complaints or the owner was caught because he was a high roller and he had assets to seize ,Revenus Quebec is hungry for money if there is money well they will definitely try to get it !
And then they make a big announcement that they have $886,000 from a prostitution king pin .
The reassures the general population showing that they are doing something.
Escort drivers are also vulnarable to zelous police officers ,that might produce a find for illegal taxiing ,its not criminal but can be very costly .
Infos are gathered by the police when they intercept escort drivers it is registered at the QPC my personal file is very long !:lol:
Cheers
Booker
No one is ever shielded from prosecution ,however some cases are very difficult to prove .
How the proof is obtain can be challenge by a competent Criminal defense lawyer ,if the proof is deemed unadmisable they have nothing ,its not what the Police that counts its what they can prove without a shodow of doubt!
Trump charges can be brought also .Does it happen? In high profile cases it has !
Historically in prostitution in Quebec escort agency operators where never to much bothered by law enforcement unless they commited other crimes .
Such as hiring minors ,coercive methods ,drug trafficking ,line cloning ,Fraud ,and a few others.
We have to remember a Police isn't free sometimes very costly ,the superior officer authorizing the investigation or political figure wants to know before hand what are the odds of having convictions and what will he gain out of it .
Those guys loves to brag as much as a escort agency ownet brags about the quality of his roster .
Many escort agencies where busted because they where subject of complaints or the owner was caught because he was a high roller and he had assets to seize ,Revenus Quebec is hungry for money if there is money well they will definitely try to get it !
And then they make a big announcement that they have $886,000 from a prostitution king pin .
The reassures the general population showing that they are doing something.
Escort drivers are also vulnarable to zelous police officers ,that might produce a find for illegal taxiing ,its not criminal but can be very costly .
Infos are gathered by the police when they intercept escort drivers it is registered at the QPC my personal file is very long !:lol:
Cheers
Booker
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