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Well, if so, I guess we should all be grateful that the best engineers in the world have never produced anything noteworthy. Or have they?

Get them out of their crazy yalatola stupid theocracy and you will see that Iranians have founded or co-founded Dropbox, eBay, Oracle, PriceGrabber, Tinder, Zoosk and many more are CTO or have played amazing engineering role in IT over here in the US.
 

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Jalimon, I think what you are not focusing on is the fact that the U.S. and Israel are pretty dedicated to not letting Iran get the technology and proximity for that too happen.

It's just a matter of time before they get such technology. Their friend, Russia (who is also Trump's friend... interesting...) will do as usual and sell it to them.
 

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Get them out of their crazy yalatola stupid theocracy and you will see that Iranians have founded or co-founded Dropbox, eBay, Oracle, PriceGrabber, Tinder, Zoosk and many more are CTO or have played amazing engineering role in IT over here in the US.

OK, point taken. Iran produces the best engineers in the world and then exports them to the U.S. Kudos to them (engineers) that they never do anything for the ayatollahs.
 

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Ok the Iranien general was a high time criminal but he was not a “terrorist”. He was officially an Iranian general. So far killing by drones had been only used to kill well known terrorist.

I was having a conversation about something similar last night with a few buddies. I've always been under the impression that the US strikes back when we have been done dirty. Whats different IMHO about this piece of shit general, is that he was assassinated because he was going to do something. He's done enough to get blown up for what hes already done to the US in the past, but he was blown up for something he was going to do. It didn't go down as a retaliation for something he's done in the past. It went down as a preemptive strike which I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with.

At the end of the day if by taking him out before he actually did another crime against the US saved American lives I would have to side with the people who were OK with this. But, to me, taking people out before they have actually done the crime doesn't sit well with me.
 

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Imagine guys if Amazon is capable of delivering you package to your house by drone how easy it will become to be to eliminate you enemies with relative anonymity.
 

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But, to me, taking people out before they have actually done the crime doesn't sit well with me.

I think here we have a clear case of someone taken out both after he had done the crime and before he has done another one -- and many others as well. Can't imagine a better candidate.
 

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I think here we have a clear case of someone taken out both after he had done the crime and before he has done another one -- and many others as well. Can't imagine a better candidate.

Agreed. I just would have been even more in agreement if we had already been hunting his sorry ass down and then stepped it up because of an imminent threat.
 

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He had to be taken out. He essentially made himself a military target of opportunity. He was a threat to national security and such threats have to be eliminated.

This killing also has sent a message to the Iranians to behave themselves. Look at how restrained their retaliation was. They didn’t kill anyone, they just exploded a bunch of bombs as eyewash for their population. They were careful to not kill anyone because they knew if they did they would be hit hard and fast and a bunch of other military targets were going down.
 

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I actually think that there might have been some other ideas behind taking care of this esteemed general. The ayatollah has been long taking one president after another for a paper tiger and so was extremely flabbergasted that reality is somewhat different this time. Who knows how long this will last, but their feeble response shows that the message has been received and for the moment deterrence has been restored.

EB: My post crossed with yours, no plagiarism on my part :)
 

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Ok the Iranien general was a high time criminal but he was not a “terrorist”. He was officially an Iranian general. So far killing by drones had been only used to kill well known terrorist. The pandore box could be now open for any hostile country to drone kill whoever they want.

And believe me Iran produces the best engineers in the world. Peanuts for them to do so.

The IRGC (Iran Republican Guard Corps) has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United States for a while well before Trump. Soleimani was the senior commander in this terrorist organization and thus is the terrorist himself. He was responsible for the foreign operation of the IRGC that included many terrorist activities. He was eliminated at the midst of his terrorist activity plotting hostile actions against US interests. So, it would be criminal negligence not to kill him having the clear opportunity to do it.
 

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Look at how restrained their retaliation was. They didn’t kill anyone, they just exploded a bunch of bombs as eyewash for their population. They were careful to not kill anyone because they knew if they did they would be hit hard and fast and a bunch of other military targets were going down.

Yeah, they were so fucking careful they only managed to kill 169 innocent people.
That is just an accident right, completely excusable because they didn’t mean to do it ... actually they didn’t do it according to them.
 

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That is just an accident right, completely excusable because they didn’t mean to do it ...

I think it is rather safe to conclude that they didn't mean to do it. Otherwise they would probably never have hit the plane. Look at how well they were shooting at American bases.
 

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I think it is rather safe to conclude that they didn't mean to do it. Otherwise they would probably never have hit the plane. Look at how well they were shooting at American bases.

I am sure the families of the 169 will be overjoyed to hear that.
Most will be overwhelmingly forgiving I am sure.
 

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I am sure the families of the 169 will be overjoyed to hear that.
Most will be overwhelmingly forgiving I am sure.
do i detect a tad of sarcasm there my friend.
The is no excuse for loss of innocent lives.
 

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^^^^^

That is always the outcome that the innocent get to lose their lives in the end.
If it was only terrorists and politicians I wouldn’t mind if there was a war every week.
 

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I am sure the families of the 169 will be overjoyed to hear that.
Most will be overwhelmingly forgiving I am sure.

No, of course it is an unspeakable tragedy and by no means a laughing matter. What I meant to say (just didn't finish my paragraph) is that people who have no clue what they are shooting at must be disarmed. Imagine if they could one day obtain a nuclear weapon.
 

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The Iranians mistook the plane for a cruise missile. Under these circumstances it seems reasonable to expect that they know what the civilian flight paths are before shooting.
 

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The Iranians mistook the plane for a cruise missile. Under these circumstances it seems reasonable to expect that they know what the civilian flight paths are before shooting.

EB my belief are these army people who shut it down most probably never realized that the Iranian airspace was not already shut down. They were not expecting any civilian flight going on...

Anyhow it's obvious it was a mistake as they shut down a plane with 95% iranian born passengers...

They admitted shutting down the plane by mistake. And it took a few days. We are 5 years after Russia shut down a plane (also by mistake) over Ukraine and these ass hole mother fucker of Poutine's regime still never admitted anything...
 

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How can "army people" not know whether Iranian airspace is or is not shut down? Aren't they the ones who determine whether or not it is to be shut down and give that order?
 
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