View Poll Results: How should the Mods deal with duplicate handles

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  • Warn in private, give them 24 hrs and ban both handles if they don't reply.

    33 48.53%
  • Post about them in a thread, without warning, and ban the second handle right away...

    9 13.24%
  • Same as above but also make a note on the 2nd handle's posts saying who the poster is.

    22 32.35%
  • Leave them alone, unless they abuse guidelines

    4 5.88%
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Thread: Duplicate handles phenomenon - Your opinion please

  1. #1
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    Duplicate handles phenomenon - Your opinion please

    Question for you all,

    The duplicate handles phenomenon is getting more and more serious. People are registering new handles not only for shilling, but also because they might have been banned and want to return right away, or to conceal their identity when PM`ing other members, or simply to make controversial posts without people knowing who they are.

    I need your opinion as to what we should do:

    1) Warn them in private, give them 24 hours, and ban their sorry ass if they don`t reply. Ban the 2nd handle (or both) based on the answer (our current procedure).
    2) Post about the duplicates, possibly in a separate thread, not the current shilling thread, without warning, and ban the second handle right away (assuming we are 100% sure).
    3) Same as No 2 but also make a note on the 2nd handle`s posts saying who the poster is (his/her main handle).
    4) Leave them alone, unless board rules are violated. Disregard shilling or other sneaky activities.

    M2
    Last edited by Mod 2; 10-20-2005 at 09:57 AM.

  2. #2

    Why not ...............

    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 2
    Question for you all,

    The duplicate handles phenomenon is getting more and more serious. People are registering new handles not only for shilling, but also because they might have been banned and want to return right away, or to conceal their identity when PM`ing other members, or simply to make controversial posts without people knowing who they are.

    I need your opinion as to what we should do:

    1) Warn them in private, give them 24 hours, and ban their sorry ass if they don`t reply. Ban the 2nd handle (or both) based on the answer (our current procedure).
    2) Post about the duplicates, possibly in a separate thread, not the current shilling thread, without warning, and ban the second handle right away (assuming we are 100% sure).
    3) Same as No 2 but also make a note on the 2nd handle`s posts saying who the poster is (his/her main handle).

    M2
    Why not look at how other boards that cater to other activities and interests handle the "multiple handle" situation in a pro-active fashion and report back
    with better options than the above.

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    Mod 2,

    I would endorse a variation of option #1, but 24 hours notice is not enough, make it 72 hours. Some people do not check the Boards for longer than 24 hour stretches.

    Some of the banned characters you are referring to keep stirring up the same shit on the same topics under different names. Posting the same thing over and over again. And then when they get banned here they go and post the same shit over on the other Board, where there seems to be a slightly higher tolerance for the posting of bullshit (however there is a designated thread there for "frivolous posts" so some of it gets moved there, appropriately, by the Mod).

    Another option is to start such a "Frivolous posts" section, move all the BS there, and eventually these posters become laughing stocks (if they aren't already) because everything they post gets characterized as frivolous. I think it has worked fairly well on the other Board.

  4. #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastender
    Why not look at how other boards that cater to other activities and interests handle the "multiple handle" situation in a pro-active fashion and report back
    with better options than the above.
    What about YOU give us YOUR opinion for a change? That's the idea of this thread, in case you din't notice.

  5. #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    I would endorse a variation of option #1, but 24 hours notice is not enough, make it 72 hours. Some people do not check the Boards for longer than 24 hour stretches.
    EB, I should have been clearer. I meant 24 hours of their last activity to MERB. Not since I PM them. So for example, if they logon 5 days later, 24 hours after that, hence 6 days.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Some of the banned characters you are referring to keep stirring up the same shit on the same topics under different names. Posting the same thing over and over again.
    Hence the IMMEDIATE banning, when we are positive it's the same person.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    And then when they get banned here they go and post the same shit over on the other Board, where there seems to be a slightly higher tolerance for the posting of bullshit
    Hmmm. No comment

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Another option is to start such a "Frivolous posts" section, move all the BS there, and eventually these posters become laughing stocks (if they aren't already) because everything they post gets characterized as frivolous. I think it has worked fairly well on the other Board.
    Frivilous posts still remain on the board for everyone to see. My feeling is that those making those posts dont care how they are considered, as long as they have exposure. But removal of posts is another issue anyway... Later

    M2

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    I voted for #1, duplicate posters are here either here to shill, cause trouble or want attention so i say ban thier sorry butts out of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe.t
    I voted for #1, duplicate posters are here either here to shill, cause trouble or want attention so i say ban thier sorry butts out of here.
    With either procedure 1, 2 or 3, they would have their 2nd handle banned., and both handles if they don't reply (#1) or if they are going against the board rules (#1, 2 or 3).

    The question was more about the procedure for banning them...

    24 hour warning first or right away?
    Public notification in a thread or not?
    Flag each and every post or not?

    M2

  8. #8

    No Quarter.

    I would ban both handles immediately. The offending party is knowingly disrespecting the entire board and does not deserve any special treatment. At the very least they should have the second handle banned immediately and be exposed to the rest of us for their open disregard for the rules. I agree this is a very serious problem as far as the board is concerned. I personally believe there are dozens of duplicate handles and think many of us would be surprised as to who they are. I'm sure we all have our suspicions.

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    M2,

    Based on your explanation of option #1 I have now voted for that option. I basically have a zero level tolerance for some of this nonsense. Almost all of the banned posters have agendas, if they are not outright shills. They are usually pursuing one issue agendas and they offer no other contributions to the Board. Good riddance!

  10. #10

    Basically.............

    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 2
    What about YOU give us YOUR opinion for a change? That's the idea of this thread, in case you din't notice.
    It is very hard to provide an informed opinion without facts.

    Is the "multiple handle" phenomena constant or is it variable - roughly the same percentage month after month(within 1%)?

    Does it spike upwards/downwards at certain times or is it all over the place in a random fashion?

    Per capita( /100 handles) how does it compare with other similar boards with the same ownership? different ownership? Are the rules and regulations the same?

    How does it compare with boards that cater to a different subject matter?
    Are the rules and regulations similar?

    Being a member of a variety of boards my impression is that the "multiple
    handle" phenomena is controlled better on MERB than on most other boards.
    Is there room for improvement - perhaps?

    "Shilling" should be viewed as a phenomena distinct from "multiple handles" and seems to be well under control.

    "Multiple handles" - depending on the board,have more serious consequences.
    On financial boards they may be used to manipulate data,influence trends,create bogus transactions,etc.On this board abuses seem to be alot more varied and less serious,but no data is available to confirm this.What are the main reasons that posters use multiple handles?

    Answering these last two points will move the board a lot closer to a solution.

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    M2,

    Personnaly I support option 3. My reasons are:


    - Most of these duplicate handles aren't by accident but rather are a deliberate attempt to break rules agreed by the vast majority of the members.

    - Most of the posts emanating from these duplicate handle have zero value or even have a negative value.

    - Associating all posts under a same "unified" handle will help us understand the agenda, the motives of these posters.

    - I agree my most of your banishments. Banished posters shouldn't be allowed to repost under a different handle and have their posts in circulation even for 24 hours, specially if you give them 24 hours after their last access. It brings the possibility for a "ill-intended" poster to generate posts under many different handles and let them "manipulate" public opinion.

    Finally I want to express my thanks to you. You have a very hard job and we all know you aren't doing it for the money ... . Thanks

    A27

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    Is there any way for me to change my vote?

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    Procedural Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Is there any way for me to change my vote?
    Perhaps a designated period for debate and fact finding followed by a designated voting or polling period will allow for a solution that will be more representative.

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    -24 hour warning first or right away.
    -Public notification in a thread
    -Flag each and every post.

    How about all three at the same time.
    Last edited by Joe.t; 10-20-2005 at 01:16 PM.

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    Change of Vote

    I would like to change my vote from #1 to #3, for the reasons stated by agentleman27. Mod2, can you tamper with the polling, Florida style, so that my vote can be changed? You have my written authorization to do so!

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