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Thread: One year ago, we sent Marois packing.Are things better now?

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    One year ago, we sent Marois packing.Are things better now?

    I say 10 times better. People are less scared and there is a glimmer of hope of economic prosperity

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    I disagree. The Quebec government's austerity program involving drastic cuts in health care, education and other public services will not only severely reduce the level of service available to the population, but has already lead to increasing unrest, similar to what we saw in 2012, including daily student protests, a common front representing public-service employees threatening strike action, protests against Hydro-Quebec fee increases, feminists demonstration against Health Minister Barette's plan to limit the number of abortions doctors could perform per year, etc.

    This is how the Toronto Star summed it up (Austerity could prove incendiary in Quebec) :
    The Quebec government’s overhaul of public spending has become the spark for what could be one of the most turbulent periods in the province’s recent history.

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    I agree that the austerity program is too instense and will lead to an other Printemps Erable. BUT the statue quo from recent years have put the province in a really tough spot... The province is only moving backward and debt is getting unreal. Tax are too high already, so we have to cut in spending, there is no other way. If they can cut in an intelligent way, and manage our service in a better way (lets say the truth, services to the population have been horribly managed and a lot of spending were nonsense) We will be in a better position in 3 or 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handi View Post
    I agree that the austerity program is too instense and will lead to an other Printemps Erable. BUT the statue quo from recent years have put the province in a really tough spot... The province is only moving backward and debt is getting unreal. Tax are too high already, so we have to cut in spending, there is no other way. If they can cut in an intelligent way, and manage our service in a better way (lets say the truth, services to the population have been horribly managed and a lot of spending were nonsense) We will be in a better position in 3 or 4 years.
    Its is amazing that in Montreal they are renaming streets instead of repairing them So much for an Austerity program. What a waste of public money when more important things need doing.
    Maybe we should have "Rubble Road" "Rue Pothole" that would be a more accurate reflection of realities.
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    I find the prospect of any govt making and keeping promises too damned funny, we elect these politicians and really expect that they will actually do what they said they would. I saw a report in the Gazette today showing the promises made, kept, working on and broken, lets just say the report card at this point is not great. Better than the previous PQ govt, yup, but nowhere near what it needs to be to satisfy me. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that the grass is greener in another province, just a different colour. As for the students and their protests, get back to classes and save your protests until you have graduated and are actually paying your way in society. It is a privilege to receive and education, accept that and do what you need to do to graduate. I also believe that the way to effect change is to be involved in a positive way. Meet with your MNA and city officials and let them know what you like and what you don't. As a voter, when the time comes get out and exercise your right to choose. How many of the registered votors do not actually go to the polls, the lack of participation in an election is disgusting. Look at the news, in some countries the people do not have the right to choose, respect your rights and exercise them thoughtfully.
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    If you are targeting specific laws some other Provinces might be better ,but at the end, its always a question of opinion.




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    Usually changing government does not change drastically as any Western countries have a certain structure, and even though there is a new administration in place, public workers (hauts fonctionnaires) remain in place.

    For the current Couillard government, do they have the choice of that plan ? I think our public finance are in a shitty state and he is better doing these drastic move at the beginning of his term, then in the last year before election...

    I did not vote Liberal, but generally speaking I do support them... There are many things that they should do differently, but overall for our child, and grand-child... they might be doing the best thing for their future...

    Basically we have to spend according to our budget... and I am just fed up with paying lots of taxes for bad services...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grenouilleforever View Post
    ... and I am just fed up with paying lots of taxes for bad services...

    I feel the same way. The source deductions from my regular paycheck are very high, perhaps I wouldn't mind if we were receiving quality services, but we simply aren't. When I moved here from Vancouver I was shocked at the difference in quality in health care, public education, infrastructure, parks and recreation. etc. Sadly the conditions here were poor in comparison yet the taxes were quite a bit higher. It's a shame because Montreal is such a great city, it really could be first-rate if they could just get it together.

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    I don't believe that any government can cure Quebec's economic ills.

    There are twice as many civil servants per capita in the Quebec government than in Ontario.

    Only in Quebec, do taxpayers have to file two returns. My guess that that Quebec taxpayers lose billions of dollars in fees to accountants and lost productivity in having to file a second return. Then add the hundreds of millions for Revenu Quebec. The two returns are for the most part the same except for line numbers and small differences in percentages. Can anybody tell me how Quebec benefits from this?

    It is simply not the case in other provinces to have long waits in the hospitals, patients sleeping in corridors, embarassing roads, bridges and tunnels which literally fall down etc. and yet the highest taxes. I consider the roads a hidden tax. What the government doesn't spend on the roads, motorists pay in car repairs. Want quick access to a physician or medical tests? Pay for private medical care.

    A non Marois government will at least slow the decline rather than distracting the population by marginalizing religious minorities and promoting independance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggyluver View Post
    ... It is a privilege to receive and education, accept that and do what you need to do to graduate. .
    Education is right, not a privilege. We live in a democracy, not an aristocarcy. Education is a fundamental right within a democratic society, and is the cornerstone of a well-functioning democratic society. Well-educated citizens sustain democracy, and all citizens should have access to post-secondary education, with cost barriers removed a much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinX View Post
    Education is right, not a privilege. We live in a democracy, not an aristocarcy. Education is a fundamental right within a democratic society, and is the cornerstone of a well-functioning democratic society. Well-educated citizens sustain democracy, and all citizens should have access to post-secondary education, with cost barriers removed a much as possible.
    Education may be a Right, but protesting for some thing getting a free education, then clearing out to other provinces to work and contributing nothing to Quebec is SHAMEFUL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_vlad View Post
    ... It is simply not the case in other provinces to have long waits in the hospitals, patients sleeping in corridors....
    Actually, it is the case that there are long wait times in other provinces. In fact, a study conducted by the Canadian Institute for Health Information in 2011 (Wait Times in Canada—A Comparison by Province, 2011) found that Quebec was in the top 3 of the 10 provinces for shorter wait times, while the provinces with the worst wait times were Nova Scotia, Manitoba and Saskatchewan. Of course, with the extreme cuts to health services included in Couillard's austerity program, Quebec's level of health care will suffer and we will now likely move down closer to the bottom of the list.

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    According to my outlaws here they say things have improved with them, not sure if it was Marois being outed or the fact that the dollar is low and exports are picking up ( some are in manufacturing / transportation ).
    I can see businesses being at ease a little more to open shop here, due to the low dollar tourism should also pick up.
    For the people talking about free education it would be nice but in reality it would be difficult to raise the money to be able to pay for all the students to get a university degree. I know I read a stat somewhere that Quebec has the highest drop out rate for their free college compared to provinces that you have to pay, university would probably would be the same and huge amounts of money wasted. ( cost barriers are removed as much as possible, especially in Quebec )
    For hospitals being slow, yes it sucks everywhere, IMO part of that is due because people crowd the emergency with such minor things, put some ointment on it and a band aid and suck it up, if you have the flu stay at home, it will go away. Intense pain, breaks and serious cuts by all means go to the hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinX View Post
    Education is right, not a privilege. We live in a democracy, not an aristocarcy. Education is a fundamental right within a democratic society, and is the cornerstone of a well-functioning democratic society. Well-educated citizens sustain democracy, and all citizens should have access to post-secondary education, with cost barriers removed a much as possible.
    Sorry to disagree with you RobinX but if you take the time to read the "CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS" you will find that the right to education does not extend past primary and secondary education. So far thank god we have not seen primary students nor secondary students abusing that right. As for the University students making asses of themselves and disrupting the classes of those who choose to attend their classes and NOT participate in this senseless strike (I use the term strike loosely) they are infringing on the RIGHTS of others. You are right that education is the cornerstone of a well functioning society, these children are making a mockery of our society by their adolescent behaviour. All of the students continuing to disrupt the classes of those who are serious about attaining a higher education should be suspended from attending classes in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    For hospitals being slow, yes it sucks everywhere, IMO part of that is due because people crowd the emergency with such minor things, put some ointment on it and a band aid and suck it up, if you have the flu stay at home, it will go away. Intense pain, breaks and serious cuts by all means go to the hospital.
    100% correct - these idiots who waste the time of people legitimately requiring assistance should be billed for the complete expense....PLUS a fine.

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