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    Unhappy this is scary!! what s the world coming to


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    But global warming isn't real, and besides, it's not influenced by man. FOX News, the administration and literally several Exxon scientists all agree. And anyway, it'll be hardest on your kids and grandkids, and seriously...fuck 'em. They're just gonna put you in a nursing home anyway.
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    Global warming is real, but how much of it is caused by human actions can certainly be debated. Problem is, you never hear those points of view because global warming has become a religion where the skeptics are automatically shunned and accused of working for big oil companies.

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    You guys need to read Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear" and also read his testimony before the US Senate on this issue. Here is a transcript of his testimony, which discussed the politicization of research on global warming:

    http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...s_quote09.html

    You guys are forgetting that most of these global warming research studies are being funded by groups with political agendas, who are paying for a result consistent with the agenda.

    Since all of this may be over the heads of the average simple minded poster, here is a summary of what Crichton said in his book and in his testimony before Congress (in three simple words which you can understand):

    Scienticially Unverifiable Bullshit!

    In case you guys don't know who Michael Crichton is, he is a VERY smart man, graduated from Harvard Medical School and is a multi millionaire best selling novelist.
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    Go ahead put your head in the sand like ostriches all you want guys time will tell unfortunatly for the planet and all of us.

    "après moi le déluge" in other words you are saying fuck the consequences and everyone who comes after me all that counts is me, myself and I.

    If this, the four answers before me (without counting JustBob) are an indication of the concern for this planet we are doomed indeed especially when looking at China who thinks just the same. Michael Crichton makes a good argument but what does he do for a living?...He writes fiction novels although well researched what makes him a better expert? the fact that he makes a few more millions than us?

    JustBob I do agree that a middle ground is probably the truth but to reach a middle ground you always need two opposites extremes, otherwise the middle ground will be reached somewhere else. I mean: the middle ground between 0(extremist nature oriented) and 100(oil company) is 50 where as the middle between 50(reasonable people) and 100(oil company) is 75. In any talks the 2 first antagonists would reach a middle ground better for the planet and all of us.

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    Hey EB
    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver

    In case you guys don't know who Michael Crichton is, he is a VERY smart man, graduated from Harvard Medical School and is a multi millionaire best selling novelist.
    The operative words here are : best selling novelist
    novel : an extended fictional work in prose
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    You should not believe what novelists write!
    Case in point 1: War of the Worlds
    Case in point 2: Jurassic Park
    Case in point 3: The Da Vinci Code
    etc.

    The average temp in Montreal for the last week of dec 06 & first week of jan 07 = 50 degrees Farenheit
    Average temp for that period over the last 30 years = 10F

    QED

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    Mooner,

    Did you read the book State of Fear or the testimony I posted? State of Fear is a novel but it contains extensive citations to REAL scientific research, on both sides, the value of which Crichton debates in the book. Why do you think he was invited to testify before the US Senate? Because he is a fucking stunod who knows nothing on the topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    You guys are forgetting that most of these global warming research studies are being funded by groups with political agendas, who are paying for a result consist with the agenda.
    I have read the Crichton piece and will not deny that the issue of global warming, at this point, is more of a political one than it is scientific. Nor is it easy to gather this kind of data; the 'field' being uncontainable.

    BUT, pray do tell what a university professor doing research in his field of studies (not writing fiction about dinosaurs) would have to gain by inventing or exaggerating (or in your mind, creating) the threat that is global warming? Fear mongering? Running the economy to the ground?

    Have you heard of peer review?

    What would the oil companies, industries that inherently pollute and hog farmers have to gain by discrediting global warming on the other hand? A lot more, don't you think?

    Have you seen Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth"? There's some rather incontestable facts in there? I'd like to hear if you believe that it is also "Scienticially Unverifiable Bullshit!" [sic]
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    You should not believe what novelists write!
    That depends on the novelist. For example: Arthur C. Clark is a respected novelist and he also invented the communications satellite.
    Crichton is well respected in scientific circles as well as being a best selling author. He's not a hack.

    The average temp in Montreal for the last week of dec 06 & first week of jan 07 = 50 degrees Farenheit
    Average temp for that period over the last 30 years = 10F
    If that continues for the next 30 years, then maybe your point will be valid. Not to mention that in the overall scheme of things, 30 years isn't even a drop in a drop of water in the bucket of the history of the planet.
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    So Michael knows what he is talking about, ok granted does it make him the final and last guy you should listen to for advice?
    He is a smart guy no denying that, is he a wise guy? "Wise" and "smart" are both ways of saying someone knows what to do. The difference is that "wise" means one has a high average outcome across all situations, and "smart" means one does spectacularly well in a few.
    Do I want to decide an issue because one guy said so, no.

    Now back to the regular debate, should we care about global warming or should we care about who has the biggest political agenda behind it?

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    If that continues for the next 30 years, then maybe your point will be valid
    And all with beach front property will be drowned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love big tits
    Now back to the regular debate, should we care about global warming or should we care about who has the biggest political agenda behind it?
    Regardless of what happens we should care. This is stated by Crichton himself in Testimony before the US Senate.

    In closing, I want to state emphatically that nothing in my remarks should be taken to imply that we can ignore our environment, or that we should not take climate change seriously. On the contrary, we must dramatically improve our record on environmental management. That is why a focused effort on climate science, aimed at securing sound, independently verified answers to policy questions, is so important now.
    Again: Seriously, did congress run out of people to testify?

    Bottom line is global warming or not, we live on a finite area with finite resources but, it seems, infinte people. The number of people to feed only keeps growing. The number of people who will/want to drive cars will keep growing (because the stock market and companies are infinite in their growth (yeah right)). We should act responsibly and not as if we are the only people who have and will ever live!
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    Techman hit on the point that Crichton tried to make, which is that although it appears clear that there is a current warming trend, there is scientific evidence that such trend historically is not unprecedented. Such trend occurred also during the Middle Ages before there were oil companies or cars, so how do you explain that Agrippa? Huh? Do you say those studies are bullshit? What makes them any less bullshit than the studies on current trends that support the current political agendas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Such trend occurred also during the Middle Ages before there were oil companies or cars, so how do you explain that Agrippa? Huh? Do you say those studies are bullshit? What makes them any less bullshit than the studies on current trends that support the current political agendas?
    Do we have any indication that it was to the same extent? Are we not in agreement that the data collected is sketchy at best?

    Once again: What is the current political agenda of the 'greens'? What do they have to gain? A bunch of companies being fined in Canada for polluting too much, and leaving for another country? Jobs and taxes lost? Nobody wants that. Why would it be brought up if it's a non issue?

    Is it not self evident that we are polluting more now than ever before? What the consequences are of this pollution, I can't say, nor can anyone seem to agree. But is this not obvious?
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    It is not for the global warming only that we should care but for what some of the "alleged"(politically correct "") causes are doing to our health in general.
    Looking primarily at respiratory disease and allergies who are at an all time epidemic high due to industrial pollutant, air pollution, water pollution and so forth. Carbon Monoxide is the main culprit in that case, there is no scientific evidence that such trend has precedents.

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