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    reccomendation to improve these boards

    i've noticed other boards have ways of members rating other members e.g. reputation

    this might be a way of combatting shilling//blackmailing others with bad reviews.

    Generally more respected members will be listened to more than those with bad reputations.


    just a thought

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    Interesting idea, but that gives even more power to someone who could then abuse it.

    In the instances I am aware of where bad reviews were used in an attempt to coerce a discount or the performance of an unwanted sexual act, the first has 821 posts on this board, and mouthed off well in advance demanding a discount for a duo (two indys). he got his discount because the girls were terrified to stand up to him. The second guy also mentioned MERB in his failed attempt to get an indy girl to do something she does not do.

    The second, well his bad review and in fact his profile both seem to have been removed.

    Now, imagine if either or both of them had a 5 Star rating from other members.
    You are cordially invited to toss my salad. There's an app for that!

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    no... you sort of have the idea wrong. this system is much much more difficult to abuse.

    right now the only things going for members to judge each other are seniority (join date) and post count.

    reputation means that you can give a member +1 reputation or -1 reputation for good // bad posts.

    the bad guys are much easier to discern this way.

    Also, they would have to go through a lot of trouble to falsify their reputation if this board traces ip addresses and gets rid of multiple accounts.

    this is a better idea than that "rate the sp's from 1-5 stars" because that system bases the reviews of new members, biased members, and respected forum members and makes them equal.

    in my opinion, "RESPECTED" members of the forum's reviews should weigh more than that of new ones.

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    i'm going to use a mathmatical model for why this is harder to abuse.

    Consider that an sp gets lets say an average of 10 reviews etc.

    if there was a shill or blackmail//bad review, that means that 10% of their reviews are false or biased one way or the other. A pretty significant number.

    Now lets say that members can rate each other for good posts, +1 or -1. Considering how many members are on this board, lets say a good senior member has a reputation of 100. Someone giving him a shill +1 reputation or -1 reputation only makes a 1% difference, but his reputation stays almost the same and his reviews are much more respected for his experience//fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    I never reveal my Merb handle to anybody, not to sp nor agency operators nor another merbite. I don't mention merb when I call but I do negotiate price when I book multiple hours. Most of the time I don't get any reduction but sometimes when business is low you never know.
    With regard to your star system, here are my 2cts:
    1) Regard to Newbies: Please tell me how can you be fair to newbies?
    2) Regard to Senior posters: How can you know that a credible poster is not writing biased reviews because of one reason or another such as to score points with an sp or to make his sp girlfriend looks better than the competition? I've been burn many times when I took reviews at their face value.
    it's not a star system lol.
    this is the most commonly used model for most forums

    1. their opinions matter. i'm just saying that the older//respected members can be used as the base reference.

    2. we rate other members; if they constantly do this other members can lower their ratings.

    3. the more reviews, the less the impact these false reviews have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    I never reveal my Merb handle to anybody, not to sp nor agency operators nor another merbite. I don't mention merb when I call but I do negotiate price when I book multiple hours. Most of the time I don't get any reduction but sometimes when business is low you never know.
    With regard to your star system, here are my 2cts:
    1) Regard to Newbies: Please tell me how can you be fair to newbies?
    2) Regard to Senior posters: How can you know that a credible poster is not writing biased reviews because of one reason or another such as to score points with an sp or to make his sp girlfriend looks better than the competition? I've been burn many times when I took reviews at their face value.
    Hello Maxima,

    This is the chicken or the egg dilemma. The question could easily be: "How can you know that a credible poster is writing biased reviews because of one reason or another." Reviews are often skewed simply because the guy is writing with the brain between his legs, reliving the encounter as a fantasy that he may well present better than it was. But it doesn't necessarily mean more than that. Many hobbyists probably also may want others to see them as some sort of hobbying stud of a curious sort and exaggerate because of that impulse. But overall I think most come as close to the truth as their ecstatic memories will permit... and not too far off. The best way to resolve this is to look for consistencies of the review for individual SPs among hobbyists you personally respect or trust.

    Good luck,

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    Smile Rating Systems

    Been involved with "rating systems" for close to thirty years.

    You can build fairly detailed and precise systems that would handicap for individual preferences, biases and the like. Someone who is partial to blondes could be identified and this characteristic could be factored in.

    Two issues.

    Cost. The mathematical model for such a system model would cost a minimum of $2,500 before programming and related costs.

    Human nature. Regardless of the integrity of the system human nature is such that people would try to adapt it to their specific purposes or people would be too lazy to use it properly. There are fairly sophisticated systems in place for youth athletic evaluations BUT coaches/evaluators will run the various tests out of order because they wish to get certain results or they will run incomplete evaluations - the results for a test for one skill will be extrapolated to another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastender
    Been involved with "rating systems" for close to thirty years.

    You can build fairly detailed and precise systems that would handicap for individual preferences, biases and the like. Someone who is partial to blondes could be identified and this characteristic could be factored in.

    Two issues.

    Cost. The mathematical model for such a system model would cost a minimum of $2,500 before programming and related costs.

    Human nature. Regardless of the integrity of the system human nature is such that people would try to adapt it to their specific purposes or people would be too lazy to use it properly. There are fairly sophisticated systems in place for youth athletic evaluations BUT coaches/evaluators will run the various tests out of order because they wish to get certain results or they will run incomplete evaluations - the results for a test for one skill will be extrapolated to another.


    Lol... 2500$

    i can find a free script for it right now

    most free forum setups offer this no cost

    I am talking about a basic system. +1 if you think someone's post is helpful, -1 the opposite. not that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random_guy
    Lol... 2500$

    i can find a free script for it right now

    most free forum setups offer this no cost

    I am talking about a basic system. +1 if you think someone's post is helpful, -1 the opposite. not that hard.
    The systems you describe can be easily manipulated. Prime examples of such systems would be some of the eastern European "rating boards".


    Shills would have a field day with your system and the mods would be overworked.

    Something sophisticated which cannot be manipulated is pricey, as is something unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastender
    The systems you describe can be easily manipulated. Prime examples of such systems would be some of the eastern European "rating boards".


    Shills would have a field day with your system and the mods would be overworked.

    Something sophisticated which cannot be manipulated is pricey, as is something unique.
    in my honest opinion forums with open registration with that system can easily be manipulated

    this forum most likely makes sure there are no duplicate ips thus every individual is a unique ip and it will be much much harder to manipulate.

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    IMHO, adding a "rating", either to the SP, the review or the reviewer is not going to add any reliable information. Why? Take Ebay: a huge percentage of the "bad" feedback is totally irrelevent, complaining about transportation dammages and delays, customs fee, brooker fees... All stuff that doesn't relates in any way to the product or store evaluated. The only way to get a real idea of reliability is to read the feedback, not only looking at the rating.

    Here with MERB, we're talking about peoples dealing with peoples so, this is even worst: the "ymmv" factor. How can we still make a decision? Reading the reviews! It's not foolproof but it's way better than a rating system. I had so-so sessions with ladies who were reviewed extremely favorably by a majority and I had my best sessions with SP that were reviewed as not that good by some others. A rating is, IMHO, an attempt to "make things easy" but when dealing with peoples, there's no such thing as "easy". Somebody who want to make an enlightened decision better read and form his own advice rather than relying on a number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metoo4
    IMHO, adding a "rating", either to the SP, the review or the reviewer is not going to add any reliable information. Why? Take Ebay: a huge percentage of the "bad" feedback is totally irrelevent, complaining about transportation dammages and delays, customs fee, brooker fees... All stuff that doesn't relates in any way to the product or store evaluated. The only way to get a real idea of reliability is to read the feedback, not only looking at the rating.

    Here with MERB, we're talking about peoples dealing with peoples so, this is even worst: the "ymmv" factor. How can we still make a decision? Reading the reviews! It's not foolproof but it's way better than a rating system. I had so-so sessions with ladies who were reviewed extremely favorably by a majority and I had my best sessions with SP that were reviewed as not that good by some others. A rating is, IMHO, an attempt to "make things easy" but when dealing with peoples, there's no such thing as "easy". Somebody who want to make an enlightened decision better read and form his own advice rather than relying on a number.

    sigh once again two very dissimilar models are being compared.

    ebay- anyone can signup in 1-2 minutes under the same ip etc

    merb- anyone can signup. few get approved. ip's are checked every time.

    which one do you think is more susceptible to such flaws.
    Last edited by random_guy; 04-14-2008 at 02:31 PM.

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    Smile Seriously.......................

    Quote Originally Posted by random_guy
    sigh once again two very dissimilar models are being compared.

    ebay- anyone can signup in 1-2 minutes under the same ip etc

    merb- anyone can signup. few get approved. ip's are checked every time.

    which one do you think is more susceptible to such flaws.

    RG,

    On eBay before the evaluation system is activated the party that signs up has to actually participate in a verifable transaction that produces a distinct trail linking the venue(eBay) with both parties in the transaction. This venue is not linked to any such transaction. On eBay you cannot use the evaluation system for a transaction outside eBay - if you do there is a system of checks and balances with recourse and consequences.

    On this and other similar boards there is little or no evidence of any type of transaction taking place. The ip is not evidence of an encounter,transaction etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by random_guy
    sigh once again two very dissimilar models are being compared.

    ebay- anyone can signup in 1-2 minutes under the same ip etc
    Have you tried to do so? To register on Ebay, you need a valid email address (anything goes on MERB, valid or not) and, in order to do transactions, you need a credit card or other financial arrangements or most won't deal with you.

    merb- anyone can signup. few get approved. No approval done on MERB as far as I know! ip's are checked every time.No, only if a problem is suspected.

    which one do you think is more susceptible to such flaws.Let me think... MERB! Totally anonymous and monitored by volunteers, compared to professionally ran and security-checked
    Here you go!

    Eastender, my point is, a site with lots of means available to ensure the reliability of the displayed scores can barely do so properly, even if all it's members are indentified and have legal existence so, IMHO, a site like MERB can't even dream of having a valuable, reliable rating system. It might look good on paper but in the field, it just can't work.
    Last edited by metoo4; 04-14-2008 at 10:30 PM.

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    Smile Academic Sites

    Quote Originally Posted by metoo4
    Here you go!

    Eastender, my point is, a site with lots of means available to ensure the reliability of the displayed scores can barely do so properly, even if all it's members are indentified and have legal existence so, IMHO, a site like MERB can't even dream of having a valuable, reliable rating system. It might look good on paper but in the field, it just can't work.
    Academic sites manage to overcome such obstacles BUT the criteria for membership is very strict. Also so the evaluation systems are in place from the start.

    In midstream such an attempt would have many obstacles as opposed to starting with an evaluation system from day one and letting it evolve over time.
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