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    "Joe the Plumber" a FAKE and Setup...seems so.

    Hello all,

    It seems that just as McCain spent little time looking into the qualifications of Gov. Sarah Palin, he may have jumped to fast when hitching the fate of his campaign to the working man's new idol known as "Joe the Plumber".

    Story of Joe the Plumber springs many leaks

    (10-16) 19:15 PDT --
    A couple of things about Joe the Plumber, the icon of the authentic working-class voter who was declared the "winner" of the final presidential debate.

    His first name isn't really Joe. It's Samuel.

    He's not really a plumber - at least, not a licensed one.

    He's concerned about increased taxes - but hasn't paid his own income taxes.

    And he's not exactly just a guy from Ohio.

    He's lived in Arizona ... and Alaska.

    And as for that unscripted moment that ended up on Fox News, the one at a rally where he questioned Sen. Barack Obama about the American Dream - and whether he'd have to pay higher taxes under Obama's plan?

    Seems Joe, who is actually Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, told the conservative Web site that catching the Democratic presidential candidate off guard "was actually my intent."

    "Looks like there's a crack in Joe the Plumber's story," said Bob Mulholland, the Democratic party activist and adviser, after some details of Wurzelbacher's life emerged Thursday.

    In an election that has starred all sorts of celebrities - remember Paris Hilton? Britney Spears? - Wurzelbacher got his 15 minutes of fame after being referenced 26 times during Wednesday's presidential debate, 21 times by Sen. John McCain.

    On Thursday, McCain even happily declared "Joe the Plumber" to be "the winner" of the debate.

    Not so fast.

    "Joe the Plumber's story sprang a few leaks Thursday," said an Associated Press story.

    That's after the AP, bloggers, investigators and librarians - and The Chronicle - turned up court documents and birth records.

    For one, Wurzelbacher's expressed concern about paying more taxes looked a bit tarnished with the revelation that he owes Ohio about $1,200 in personal income taxes, according to the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas records. And there's a 2007 civil filing that shows a record for a $1,200 owed to a creditor, St. Charles Mercy Hospital.

    So Wurzelbacher has an active lien on his property filed in January 2007, records from the Ohio Department of Taxation show.

    The Toledo Blade, examining Lucas County Building Inspection records, reported that his employer, the A.W. Newell Corp., "does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license."

    "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work," the newspaper said. "He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio- which means he's not a plumber."

    What else did Americans learn about Wurzelbacher this week?

    Among the factoids gleaned from state and county records:

    -- He is registered as a Republican, and voted in the state's GOP primary in March, county elections records show. But he was previously registered, dating back to 2007, in the Natural Law Party.

    -- He has lived in McCain's home state of Arizona - in both Mesa and Tucson.

    -- He lived in GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home state of Alaska - in North Pole, from September 1992 to July 1993.

    And as comic Bill Maher pointed out, in his 15 minutes of fame, Wurzelbacher has already done more interviews than Palin.

    E-mail Carla Marinucci at

    Looks like it was all just a setup.


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    I am not one for character assassination, but what I saw on the news about Joe the Plumber the next day showed a much different picture than McCain related. He was not a licensed plumber, and this plumbing business was in another county where licenses were not needed. The business is a 2 man operation, and the owner was hoping Joe would buy the business when he retires. So this is not someone who had employees or was seeking to hire people but is now unsure because of Obama's tax plan.

    I had not previously read the article Korbel linked, but none of the stuff in there surprises me.

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    Basically, Joe isn't undecided, he's Republican, and he would actually gain money under Obama's tax (as Joe himself has admitted). As for the liens ... well, who cares? We've all got our little loose ends. Some of us even go around paying for sex, at least when we're not working as freelance political analysts.

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    What i find hillarious is that now McCain is trying to spin the Joe the Plumber story into trying to convince us that Obama is the one that started to talk about him in the debate & kept on talking about him. He's saying that it's not fair to Joe that they're saying bad things about him because Obama mentionned him, that Joe doesn't deserve this & never asked to be named, etc. It's just like McCain is criticizing himself!!

    Is he doing this on purpose or is the old man suffering from the same debilitating illness that hit old man Reagan during his 2nd term?
    "Never Trump"

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    i can see it now...the media will be showing us how well off joe is in a year. could they spin him into a reality series? will we see him selling plumming tools and parts on a t.v. commercial? will he be a host on snl?
    btw...did i see him on t.v. wearing a suit or was it a bad dream?
    guess who doesnt need driver side air bag?

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