Finding out a loved one is in the hobby...

Yes, I am privileged to have that kind of relation with my daughter. There has never been a subject we avoided, and I have always been supportive of her, whatever she did or tried to do. This is why she doesn't fear telling me about this I guess. Communication is key to everything in my opinion, and she knows it.

I indulge in MPs only once in a while, not on a regular basis. I don't fear seeing her at an MP. Thank God! LOL

CA

General Gonad said:

CA,

You really need to get a life! Seriously, I no longer romanticize about "falling in love" with any SP. It ain't going to happen. Addiction wanes once you stop bullshitting yourself and face reality. The boards are fun because I love getting under people's skin.

GG

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Seeing how many posts you make per day, and at what time you make them (all over the 24 hours), I'm afraid you have no lessons to give to anyone in regards to getting a life! Like it or not, admit it or not, YOU ARE addicted.

The "All about GG" posts have been moved to a different thread, and has been closed.

Now that the discussion here has been cleaned - again - I`m reopening it.
Remember, it`s a discussion, not a Jerry Springer show! Please stay on topic.
Confrontations will result in suspensions. GG and others, please advise.

Thanks

M7

General Gonad said:

Reggie, are you kidding me here? You would be alright if your daughters were in an HDH indy position "as long as they were happy"? Come on, I don't believe that for a second. Moreover, the very fundamental problem is that all SPs get corrupted with the easy money, which is why this business flourishes. As they taste easy money, they forget about the value of hard work., For me it would be hypocritical to accept your daughter's choice, especially if you consumed ladies like we have. That is the height of hypocrisy, unless you believe in fairy tales.

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As I have said many times, this is not easy work. Simple, yes, but not easy. SP put up with people most others can't. We have sex with people even if we are not attracted or 'not in the mood'. We make each and every one of our clients feel special (even the ones that aren't... if we are any good at what we do) Yes, we are actressses... and lovers, and friends, and psychotherapists to clients. We share our most private parts with total strangers. We listen to people's inner most secretes and personal problems. For these and many other reasons; Not everyone has what it takes to be an SP! So stop telling us that our work is easy!

By the way, I told my mom. I didn't want her to find out through anyone else. She told me she was dissapointed that I felt like this was my best option and that I was not doing something that she could brag about (the stigma around sex work hurts her) but she accepts what I do and supports me because she knows it is my choice and not her parenting skills. She worries about me getting hurt or becoming infected with HIV but she has always worried about me since I can remember. We are as close as ever.

General Gonad said:

Have you ever met an SP who left the business "less damaged" than when she entered it? Your "daughter-by-proxy" (sick to mention this given you paid to have sex with her), is one of many examples. Even the ones that think they're better off, are fooling themselves. But I do agree with you on one point: as long as we engage in this activity, we contribute to the potentially devastating effects. If you ignore this reality, you're really living in Fantasyland.

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I am sorry you think I am fooling myself. I think I am honestly less damaged than when I started. For example: I make my limits now and insist on them. Before if I went on a date, some men were capable of convincing me of having sex without a condom, even if I really would have preferred he use one and they were available. Now, NEVER! I am graduating university with my BA, this is my last semester; something I never could have achieved had I not started SPing. I have a higher self-esteem than I ever have had before (a girl can get a lot of positive feedback in this business: Being told I am smart and intelligent and beautiful and... every time I go to work.) I applied to grad school with the encouragement of clients OK, and teachers also. The point is, I was afraid and didn't think I had it in me before.

Granted, on the negative side I am more blaze about sex than ever. Also, I am leary of men and think they see all women as possible sex partners before anything else. (Even if she is viewed as someone you'd never have sex with, you had to consider it before saying 'Yuck never!') I don't believe long term monogamy is likely in any relationship. And I think that spouses lie to eachother more than anyone. In some way I have become more cynical. I have been robbed a couple of times; then again most businesses get robbed once in a while.

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I agree here but I will admit that it would bother me if my son were gay...period. I am being honest about this, not because I am homophobic, but because it wouldn't be easy for me to accept. Is this shallow? Yes, it is, but it's the truth. However, compound that with the incidence of STDs among the gay population, and it would really bother me if he was gay and SPing.

GG

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This comment I found quite disturbing. Why should your son's choice of lover be a problem? To carry on the family's name? Your 'Y' gene? It woudn't be as if he woud be expecting you to participate in a homosexual act. As for the STD thing; it is not what you do but how you do it. Straight or gay, SP or not, condoms must be not negotiable. The STD rate is quite low among populations that always use condoms. So don't use the STD thing as an excuse. At least admit that is a homo-prejudiced reaction.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

I was waiting for Ronnie's reply! Well put as I expected! That lady really make sense IMHO.

As long as we're tossing quotes around, here are a few from Blake:

The fox condemns the trap, not himself.

Prudence is a rich, ugly old maid courted by incapacity.

and who could ever forget:

the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.

Considering the naive honesty I came to this business with, a little cynicism can be viewed as a good thing. I am still too trusting.

Love and falling in love have nothing to do with the mind. You should know that. A person often falls in love with someone who they know they shouldn't. So I am not worried about this SP you are talking about.

As far as higher incidence of STIs among gay male prostitutes, I have two questions: Compared to who? and Where did the sample group come from? Like I said before it is not what we do but how we do it. My research shows that sex workers who consistently use condoms, do not have a higher incidence of STIs.

I still do not understand what it is about having a gay son that woud bother you... care to explain? If you are not prejudiced against gays, then what is it? Do you think being gay is immoral?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

Sis is a Ho'

If they really love you they'll give you a discount!

Hmmmm...

My dad knows I see sps, I talk to him all the time about it.
He also knows I am a diabetic with ED, and he has ED himself, so I don't get the impression he is dissapointed with me or anything, maybe I'll ask him sometime.
I don't have kids, and having a daughter become an sp is probably one of the many reasons I am glad I don't.

General Gonad said:

Here are some excellent quotes from another one of my favorites...

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Here's one for you: "Whenever anybody says he's struggling to become a human being I have to laugh because the apes beat him to it by about a million years. Struggle to become a parrot or something.", Jack Handy

General Gonad said:

Absolutely false. I have put up a study in one of my STI threads from the CDC that clearly demonstrated the higher incidence of STIs among the gay male population in general and specifically with gay SPs. One of the main reasons is that they engage in unprotected sex and even when they use condoms, there is a higher risk of it tearing during anal intercourse.

The reason why it would bother me if I had a gay son is purely selfish. He would not carry on his duty to produce offspring. I also wouldn't be able to share with him all my crowning achievements in Hobbyland.

GG

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Can you please provide the link to this study. Yes the gay male population in general has a higher incidence in Canada and the USA. That is the population where the disease first broke outv in North America. Contrary to popular belief though, a significant % (I forget the exact #) of hustlers do not provide Greek services. I know some who only receive BJs! Other's who both give and receive BJ's but not Greek.

Also this is the first I hear of increased failure rates of condoms during anal sex, when used properly this means no air and plenty of lube. In Montreal, this is information is well known and well distributed. Many gay bars, bath houses and whatnot provide free condoms and lube.

It is for these reasons I would like to see this study, is this a new research, when was this study done? where was it done? how were the participants recruited? what about the control group? I need to know for personal reasons Not only gay men provide greek! Heck not all gay men provide greek...

By the way, woud you be just as upset to find out your dayghter was a lesbian? Be honest.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

orallover said:

now you start quoting philosopher to justify what you say?

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Soon enough he'll be posting footnotes and index tables.

My sister was never an SP but she was a Stripper. I was 17 back then when she left the house. It hurt me that she was a stripper. I lived with my parents and it was hell.

I checked in with my Sister now and then to make sure she was okay. I felt "Shame". What if my friends found out ? What if people found out ? What if my Relatives found out? I can't say what my parents felt. When I look back at it now, the reasons were all selfish. It was always what if so and so found out about my sister ?

After 2 years of this and I finished my cegep, I could no longer stand my family. It was hard enough to live with my father who was a controlling tyrannical dictator. I couldn't live with what my sister was doing for a living.

I just had enough and I called the recruiting station in Plattsburgh and met with the USMC Recruiter. One day in December I just left and never made contact with my Family or Friends for 4 years.

When I returned back to Montreal 4 years down the road, I made contact with my sister and thankfully she had stopped stripping. I see my parents now and then.

I don't blame my Sister for what she did. She was young, no experience, it was easy money and she wanted to make it out on her own. We don't talk about it or even mention it anymore. If anyone was to blame, it would be me for being weak and running away, for that matter being selfish and only caring about the "Shame" I felt.

What would you do ? I did what I thought was in my best interests. I made my own way and all consequences I have accepted. A person can say well, I would have done this and that, talk alot of shit and give a superior attitude. IMHO Unless you lived thru it, what you say don't count as anything for me. (that's just my opinion)