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Numerati

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Why am I not surprised this thread will become this sooner or later.


Ha ha…

Anyways the most amazing and emotionally hitting encounters in my time hobbying were Angelic of Eleganza, Naomi of SD, and Emanuelle of MGF. They were not head turners I have to admit. Very plain but under that physical hood holy shit I was hit like a truck. After meeting them I saw plain women in a whole new light. I had my more than fair share of jaw dropping hotties yet they were emotionally forgettable. Memorable and satisfied that itch but wasn’t life changing. Plus we all have different tastes mind you where plain to me is hot to you and vice versa. Also why many women get 9s and 10s and you are like scratching your head why. It is because she left an emotionally hitting experience that he felt with her. That is why she got high marks. Looks could get you into the door but it is that connection and chemistry that makes a guy would come back and repeat. This is something can’t be explained plainly you know when you encounter it. Be lucky if and when you find this.

SPs/Women today are no different in looks as they were years ago. The difference is SPs/women in the past were able to emotionally pair bond with their encounters. Not so much today and you can thank social media for that. We can go into a whole new discussion and/or possible argument over this.
 
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^^^^^
I think you are right, social media like Tik Tok and Instagram ruined it. I suspect the biggest reason in the decline of new young SWs is due to Only Fans, SugarDaddy, and MPs. Social media glorifyed OFs and SDs. The attitudes are poor also and I suspect it is due to social media. The same can be said for stripclubs. I am seeing more and more older strippers (existing girls are staying longer in the business) but not many new girls are entering. The girls born in 1986 to 1995 we had a boom of new SWs and after that it was downhill.
 

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I was active in the hobby from 2004 to 2011 where online dating was looked at as a joke and social media wasn’t so prevalent. The women then especially the SPs were able to make you FEEL. Then came 2015 when I did a brief return and as the encounters were good but they were not memorable. The girls were pretty but the sessions felt empty. Only stand out was with Olivia when she was working at Nadyas.

We just have too much to consume and choices out there and this dilutes the quality of our interactions and connections.
 
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I don't think so. It's more diverse..not 99% white...maybe 60% white.. you may have mixed race, Asian, Middle Eastern, South American, and definitely black ladies.
I disagree 100% with this one. 10 years ago there was Chocolate Love Divas, Montreal Sexe Cite, Montreal Envy, among a few. They all had Black girls so it made plenty of available options. Now you look, most are 99% White with some non White sprinkled in. I am talking about Black girls, not Arabic, Latinas, or Mix. Vog has a few Black girls but besides Amira, the others all the others I got very poor feedback. XO had a few in the past but it has been a long time. Now look at Toronto, there are way more Black escorts. And Indys there is a huge difference, on TrystLink I saw many many Black escorts but Montreal is barren. The escort agency Aventurier at Quebec City almost always has 3 to 4 Black girls on their roster. Why Montreal is barren for Black escorts beats me.
 

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Nothing is what it was. Back in 2013 the number of very good Montreal agencies was considerably higher and the pool of talent 18-25 was off the charts. Good Girls, Asservissante, etc. Never got to book via Eleganza.

The number of reliable agencies is at its lowest in some memory, and whether it’s tattoos, piercings, fast food weight, attitude, hairstyles, or whatever the talent just doesn’t seem as hot.

Building on Patron’s point, it’s not possible for a weekend visitor like myself to see more than 3 girls on a Fri-Sun trip, but I’d like to think there enough hot ones to book over such a short period. So the pool of hot girls may be down overall, but the effect on a short visit is negligible with judicious or pro-active booking.

Even during strong times - say 2013, 2014 - I left town disappointed every blue moon because the girls were not to expectation, or cancellations really f’d things up.

It’s not just Montreal - it’s everywhere. Talent is down all over. Back in 2004 when I started hobbying there was a particular NYC brothel that offered Montreal quality talent for $250. Brothels still exist in NYC, but talent is not anywhere close to what it was in 2004/2005, and that’s at a $300 or $350 level.

So in short, yeah, SP’s don’t look as good compared to 3 or 4 years ago, the trend is definitely down in Montreal and elsewhere, but for me I need to be lucky only a couple times on any given weekend - and that’s from the 100 options presented with ample review resources.
 
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It’s not just Montreal - it’s everywhere. Talent is down all over. Back in 2004 when I started hobbying there was a particular NYC brothel that offered Montreal quality talent for $250. Brothels still exist in NYC, but talent is not anywhere close to what it was in 2004/2005, and that’s at a $300 or $350 level.
Blame it on twitter and social media. A hot and talented woman can make more money selling pics and videos of her pussy than actually renting her pussy to clients. Plenty of great and beautiful talent in the sex business all over the world.....but they have moved on from being escorts to more safe and lucrative areas of the biz.
 

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Blame it on twitter and social media. A hot and talented woman can make more money selling pics and videos of her pussy than actually renting her pussy to clients. Plenty of great and beautiful talent in the sex business all over the world.....but they have moved on from being escorts to more safe and lucrative areas of the biz.
It is all about LonelyFans and farts in a jar now. In all honesty the idiot wimpy men who would pay for this half ass nonsense is to blame as well.

The hot ones don’t need to go out and put out the effort. They can earn much more without needing to go out. I mean take that Eva from Maya’s massage joint. A few dolled up instagram posts leading to her LonelyFans account and she can make good coin.
 

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Wait another 10 years and there will be a lot fewer hot escorts available . Virtual Reality sex will be the craze in fan clubs. Tens of thousands of men will pay a monthly fee to have virtual sex with their dream sexual "escort", and it will be happening in real time.
 
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The reality is only a small portion of girls are really making the big bucks off OnlyFans, it takes influencers to do that with a major online presence. It takes a lot of work and creativity. Most girls make very little off that. With so much porn available for free why pay for OnlyFans? Social media and feminism has changed the attitudes of women. I see how many are entitled nowadays.


Social media also glorified sugar daddies (that portray girls getting paid the big bucks with no sex involved). However I look at Toronto on Terb and I see lots of agencies and Indys almost five times as much compared to Montreal. Something about Montreal is making girls run away? Many Montreal area Indys are working in Toronto. So for any of you Americans looking for lots of variety and lots of young beautiful girls, I would suggest to make Toronto your new destination for the hobby. Toronto has so much variety and supply of agencies and Indys (and not 99% White, lots of exotics available).
 

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A bit off topic but does affect the attractive of a girl.

Here is one thing that was not apparent when I was hobbying….. HUUUUGE/HUMONGOUS TATS. Some of them are all over her body. Maybe attractive to some guys but to me that would knock off a few notches on a girl. If I consider her an 8 and she got these tats all over her body that would take like 5 points away and becomes a 3. LOL. Take about self sabotage. Also if it wasn’t for those tats not only you will be extracting my juices but my ATM.
 
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Unfortunate for your likes or dislikes. Girls with lots of ink don`t give a flying fuck about your personal preferences. They prefer to impress other girls, but its mostly self satisfaction.
 

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It is all about LonelyFans and farts in a jar now. In all honesty the idiot wimpy men who would pay for this half ass nonsense is to blame as well.

The hot ones don’t need to go out and put out the effort. They can earn much more without needing to go out. I mean take that Eva from Maya’s massage joint. A few dolled up instagram posts leading to her LonelyFans account and she can make good coin.
Fart in a jar lmfao. Sad part is its actually true. Didn't she make like 30k? What timeline is this Universe we're on
 
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Unfortunate for your likes or dislikes. Girls with lots of ink don`t give a flying fuck about your personal preferences. They prefer to impress other girls, but its mostly self satisfaction.
Don’t forget as a way to get back at daddy/step-daddy or some male authority figure.
 

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Blame it on twitter and social media. A hot and talented woman can make more money selling pics and videos of her pussy than actually renting her pussy to clients. Plenty of great and beautiful talent in the sex business all over the world.....but they have moved on from being escorts to more safe and lucrative areas of the biz.

There is many layers to onlyfans

Some pornstars escorts less (or quit entirely) because they are making big bucks on OF. But just like social influencers or instagram girls if you prefer, they use some kind of fame. For some peoples having sex with the pornstars or influencers you drooled over is the ultimate kink they want. Other guys may be too far, in a relationship, too shy, or simply do not want to put the big 2000+$ on a meeting, and will be happy just to pay a 30 or so sub per month and be able to talk to her (or they believe they do :p)

I received a huge list of instagram girls that some gentlement saw and i was impressed at some of the names there. Maybe he BS me, i have no way to prove, but i tend to believe him because it look legit, his track record on the rest is good, and some names on his list were mentioned by others. He also said a good chunk of them do not anymore because they got big. Some of these ladies sell boobs pic for 40$US ... for 1 or 2 pics. Or little clips of 2-3 mins at most. But they built their brand, they put the work... Sometimes i see someone that i find super attractive and she has 10k followers, then the next one has 1 million and is not hotter to me at all. But it goes beyond subjectivity of look anyway.

The lady who sold fart in a jar is good looking, but she ain't that crazy hot either, yet she got famous on youtube by keeping a presence and attracting tons of guys. Her fans don't just want to fap at a few pics, they want to know her life, what she ate, and i guess what she sh... Well you get it. I watch some of her videos with time, she used to be a stripper and even attempted escorting, but if i remember correctly she only did it once or twice, was not a fan of it. This job ain't made for everyone.

Its easy to think OF is easy money, but from what some girls told me, and i have no problem believing it, its still a lot of work. A girl may make some hundreds per months if she has a 20$ sub and post a new pic or mini clip every 4 days, but she ain't the one that will make big bucks. Its the one that post daily, spend a lot of time talking to the guys (its a huge part of what some peoples like in OF) and of course Bella Thorne or Madison Ivy surely don't spend hours talking to fans, but the local Montreal girl may not be able to afford an "assistant" when she start her OF. Little note there, its funny i think its a job of the futur, one that i could see myself doing, impersonating a pornstar or such and spending my work hours turning on her fans :p Its basically the new sex phone line... lol

Now when it comes to what peoples are willing to pay or not, its up to them. I subscribed to some ladies when their OF was on sale and even if im not subbed anymore, i still get PPV in my box, and often i see videos that look interesting, stuff i want to see, but 40US for a 6min BJ video? No thank you. I pass. Gotta keep my sense. But sometimes if a 12$ video pass by and its a solid 10-12 minutes, i buy. I contribute to the "issue" in a way but then again its either ladies i would not be able to see (if they don't do it) or its just i can't book everyone anyway...

Some may cringe at this comparison, others smile, but i feel the sex industry as a whole is like the retro game industry. Some games have rise in prices insanely because some peoples were willing to pay it. One game i paid 125$ a few years ago, its now price charted at 400. I taugh it was already way too expensive at 125 but i really wanted it, so made the sacrifice. Maybe another dude says the same now if he get it at 350.

If someone would never sell anything at 40$, she would down her price, but some dudes are willing to pay. Same goes for hourly escort rates etc. There is a lot of escorts i WISH SO BAD i could book, but at 400-500h and with other requirements like deposits, i pass (i may do a 400 booking once in a blue moon, but its rare, never paid above that yet). Then everytime i am able to have a great meeting at 300 or less (including extras) i thanks the god of lust :p

I know some of you book every weeks, sometimes more than once per week, so i guess i can understand part of your "fatigue" as the affordable choices are not aplenty as it was in the early 2000s. But for me, there is always girls i want to see on my list at agency rates. The only issue i face is logistic (especially if i go for 2 bookings during a trip, or if first choice cancel, nobody on my list could be there)

But right now when it comes to agency ladies, i have a list of about 8 girls that do interest me a lot to see and another 7-8 to see again.

And to finish on attractiveness. I supose Cloud is right that of course the escorts do not get tatooed for their clients. There is a true part that their body is their "tool of work" so obviously it will affect their income depending on what they do to it, but i don't think any escorts tell herself "hope my clients like this new tatoo". Its just a reality i guess we have to live with. Tatoos are in a phase where its super casual, while 20 years ago it was mostly associated with biker chicks and such. Even pornstars from the 2000s wich were almost not tatooed at all are now all tatooed up, even if they work or not. Nina Mercedez is a coach or something on instagram now and its crazy how tatooed she got compare to back then. Sarah Vandella still perform and has gone from no tats to LOTS of them in one go. What can we do? Nothing...
 

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There are literally more gorgeous sex workers a click away than there have ever been.

Of course, if you're only measuring agencies your view will be skewed... for real, the agency concept started dying since the Internet went mainstream. Its only a matter of time for their purpose to completly disapear.
Hell, I remember a lot of people here were in support of agencies raising their prices.... well, this is where we are now. That never should have been allowed to happen.

Freaked out by 40$ price tag for amateur porn ? To be honest, I'm way more annoyed of paying 20$ for 1 smoked meat sandwich or the 170$ I paid to fill up my car.
 

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The title to this thread is kinda funny given that the original post was 10 years ago.
I first came to Montreal about 5 years ago and I can say this: there are still world class girls available but fewer in number. Same with the number of agencies. I will say that Montreal is still really high quality and cheap compared to the US.
 

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for real, the agency concept started dying since the Internet went mainstream. Its only a matter of time for their purpose to completly disapear.

Freaked out by 40$ price tag for amateur porn ? To be honest, I'm way more annoyed of paying 20$ for 1 smoked meat sandwich or the 170$ I paid to fill up my car.
I hope not... Love agencies. But i think their will always be beginners not down to do all by themselves and just love the concept of just showing up for work without any other hassle.

And 40$ for porn, well im just basing this on the value of mainstream porn. Its hard to find it acceptable to pay 40$ for a cellphone video of 6 min when you can have a month and acces of an entire catalog of pro porn for the same price.
 

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And 40$ for porn, well im just basing this on the value of mainstream porn. Its hard to find it acceptable to pay 40$ for a cellphone video of 6 min when you can have a month and acces of an entire catalog of pro porn for the same price.

But that's the whole point. Its not mainstream. Its the girl serving your drinks at the bar. That stripper you wished you could take home.... I get what you're saying, I wouldn't pay either... but in all honesty I've caught myself paying a lot more for a drink or cigars that lasted way less... hell I was a smoker for a pretty long time if you really want to discuss wasting money on stupid reasons.
 
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