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ENFIN.....c'est fini......le fun de voir le retour de GUHLE et bien performer.....et ARBER jouer du bon hockey.....les 2 meilleurs hier......pour le reste ça commence Mercredi...et on verra....mes attentes ne sont pas au top...lol....à eux de nous surprendre...bonne saison.
 

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If he can still be an effective player & provide veteran leadership it’s a win-win situation
But everybody knows that Patch never had any leadership, quite the opposite if you ask me. And yeah, he used to be a 30+ goals scorer but since the Chara incident he’s never been the same and he’s become a ghost on the ice. He stays away from any hot spots and doesn’t get much involved in any intense puck battles.
 

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But everybody knows that Patch never had any leadership, quite the opposite if you ask me. And yeah, he used to be a 30+ goals scorer but since the Chara incident he’s never been the same and he’s become a ghost on the ice. He stays away from any hot spots and doesn’t get much involved in any intense puck battles.
People who’ve been following the Golden Knights will tell you differently. He’s been a different player since leaving Mtl. The problem was that he was too inexperienced to be named captain at the time. Problem was there wasn’t really anyone else at the time plus everyone knew PK wanted it. So Max inherited the captaincy pretty much by default. Anyways like i said the Leafs are over the cap & need bodies making the league minimum. They have zero to lose by signing Pacioretty & if he doesn’t perform they’ll waive him or give him away. They certainly do not expect him to be the same player he was with Vegas. He’s just a body, really.
 
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They have zero to lose by signing Pacioretty & if he doesn’t perform they’ll waive him or give him away. They certainly do not expect him to be the same player he was with Vegas. He’s just a body, really.
It's a low risk, low reward signing. Sort of like a minor league contract signing in baseball. You hope to catch lightning in a bottle, but realize you probably only have a firefly which you will need to let go at some point, while not spending too much money.

Reminds me of the Yankees signing of Matt Carpenter a few years ago, in which they did catch lightning in a bottle for a couple of months before Carpenter got hurt.
 

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Arber- Going down?
Most likely but it is just a technical thing, once they establish their salary cap he will be back. I don’t see the habs purposely leaving him down, if it ever happens I’m pretty sure Arber will ask to be traded.
 

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JOSHUA ROY---LOGAN MAILLOUX---ADAM ENGSTROM---JACOB DOBES les derniers retranchés today......pas de grande surprise et auront leur chance......donc les HABS misent sur ARBER et STRUBLE---qui a fait bonne impression----pour débuter la saison.....
On part du bon pied.....à suivre dès Mercredi.
 

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He went to surgery twice! On the same tendon.
Like I said it's a so called "flier" contract, the Yankees do them all the time in baseball with washed up veterans they can sign cheaply who have like 1/10th left in the gas tank, and Toronto has also done it in the past: remember the Patrick Marleau signing? Like Pacioretty they signed him more because of leadership qualities being lacking in their locker room, than hoping to get production out of him. I think Toronto got a slight bit of production out of Marleau his first season but after that he was a net negative on their roster. The question for Pacioretty is does he even give them minimal production or is he just a body taking up a roster spot? Maybe Gaby knows the answer.

Believe me when I tell you these signings happen in all sports and they are primarily motivated by getting the veteran leader voice in a locker room that needs to be led, and they also hope to catch lightning in a bottle on the field or on the ice as the case may be. It happened with the Yankees twice in the past 15 years, first with Raul Ibanez and then with the aforementioned Carpenter. These were players who were acquired, much like Pacioretty, after injury plagued seasons made it appear that they were washed up. Ibanez and Carpenter played with pride and like they thought their careers were on the line, and maybe Pacioretty will be their hockey equivalent. More likely he will be like Marleau was after his first season in Toronto, looking like an old warhorse who needed to be euthanized before he finally was.
 
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Marleau actually had a very productive first season with the Leafs & did a great job putting youngsters Auston Matthews & Mitch Marner under his wing. As a matter of fact Marner lived with the Marleaus in his rookie season. His second season was less productive & he was starting to show his age. The main reason why they traded him to Carolina was to create cap room & had to give Carolina a first round pick in the trade & the Canes used it to pick Seth Jarvis. Marleau ended up going back to San Jose & retired with the Sharks.

Patch has several key bonuses in his contract such as points made & another one if he reaches a minimum of 30 games. He’ll start the season playing on the third line. He could have got more money playing elsewhere but considering he comes from a privileged family of multimillionaires money has never been a problem throughout his life so he preferred signing for less in order to play with a contender.
 

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Pacioretty deserves respect for coming back from 2 Achilles tears in the same year. Not an easy thing to do at 35. Most would have just quit but he got himself rehabbed and back in game shape. I don't know how you cannot cheer for a guy like that.
 

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I don't know how you cannot cheer for a guy like that.
Nobody said they were not cheering him. I noted the prior baseball examples of Raul Ibanez and Matt Carpenter, who at similar ages and coming off injury plagued poor seasons, each experienced a career renaissance with the NY Yankees. While that's a possibility for Max, I think odds are well stacked against it with a double Achilles. The Patrick Marleau year 2/3 comparison with the Leafs is more likely what they will get.

But we have only discussed production and not leadership. Hopefully what he can really bring the lockerroom is a veteran leader that some of those prima Donnas on the Leafs will listen to. Last year they were an embarrassment and I think management saw that the team is lacking in veteran leadership after the debacle display against the Bruins. Leafs management does not want to see that happen again and want to upgrade the professionalism in their locker room. So they think he can help with that.

The Leafs managed to get their young coach fired and caused lots of people to lose money betting on them against the Bruins, a team that was very banged up and ready to be beaten. That series exposed a lot of painful leadership issues for the Leafs, which were on full display to a national TV audience.
 
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But we have only discussed production and not leadership
I have mentioned his lack of leadership, especially when he was in Montreal. He was known to have some Prima Dona attitude and played a role in dissensions in the team. Now, this could have changed, it seems he was very appreciated in the Golden Knights locker room.
 

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I have mentioned his lack of leadership, especially when he was in Montreal. He was known to have some Prima Dona attitude and played a role in dissensions in the team. Now, this could have changed, it seems he was very appreciated in the Golden Knights locker room.
In sports sometimes guys get different reputations when they go to different teams. Younger players mature and become better leaders with age. Sometimes changes of scenery alone help do this.

What we do know is the Leafs have some prima donnas on their team and severe leadership issues. Any team with the amount of younger talent they have needs a mix of veterans to go with it.

A good historical example in hockey is when the Islanders in the late 1970s acquired Butch Goring. Similarly when the NJ Devils brought in Claude Lemieux. 1995, anyone remember the sweep of the Vaunted Red Wings? Lemieux was a prime time player and gave their team a feistiness it didn't previously have.

Just what Pacioretty has done in terms of work and rehab off the ice to get back in shape may set an example to the Leafs of the kind of work ethic they need to have to stop the 1st round playoff eliminations.
 

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I understand your point perfectly but, comparing Lemieux’s personality with Pacioretty’s is a bit of a stretch to make!
Just to look at Pacioretty body language and how low voiced he is in interviews says a lot about it.

Anyway, by now you guys should have figured it out, I never liked him and never will! Lmao
 

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The Leafs managed to get their young coach fired and caused lots of people to lose money betting on them against the Bruins, a team that was very banged up and ready to be beaten. That series exposed a lot of painful leadership issues for the Leafs, which were on full display to a national TV audience.
What are you talking about? Nylander & Matthews missed several games in that series due to undisclosed injuries & their starting goalie missed game 7 due to a leg injury suffered right before the game! Had Nylander, Matthews & Woll been healthy i have no doubt they would have beaten Boston in 6 or 7 games. They also were without Bobby McMann for the entire series & his physical play would have been great to have in that series. Had the Leafs been coached by the great Scotty Bowman they likely still wouldn’t have won that series with their two best players & their top goalie missing so many games in that series.
 

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I understand your point perfectly but, comparing Lemieux’s personality with Pacioretty’s is a bit of a stretch to make!
Just to look at Pacioretty body language and how low voiced he is in interviews says a lot about it.

Anyway, by now you guys should have figured it out, I never liked him and never will! Lmao
Pacioretty is expected to only be a support player with his new team. If he can score 15 goals the team will be very happy.

Speaking of Pacioretty i almost forgot the time Zdeno Chara broke his neck when he played for the habs. I remembered all the habs fans wanting Chara’s head & that evening fans calling 911 asking for Chara to be arrested! Lol
 

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What are you talking about? Nylander & Matthews missed several games in that series due to undisclosed injuries & their starting goalie missed game 7 due to a leg injury suffered right before the game! Had Nylander, Matthews & Woll been healthy i have no doubt they would have beaten Boston in 6 or 7 games. They also were without Bobby McMann for the entire series & his physical play would have been great to have in that series. Had the Leafs been coached by the great Scotty Bowman they likely still wouldn’t have won that series with their two best players & their top goalie missing so many games in that series.
It was a fair fight because David Krejci played with a significant injury and Brad Marchand was also hurt during that series. The real problem the Leafs had was too many prima donnas on their team and an inability to deal with hockey playoff adversity. That is why their management team is trying to get some leaders in the room who can help the team combat adversity like men rather than children.

The coach got fired because the team management felt they lost a fair fight that should not have been lost. He was not given a pass for having the player injuries, as you suggest he should have been. And that was as it should be. The Jets head coach was fired today for the same reason: he did not get the job done. This is not pee wee hockey. This is the NHL.
 
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It was a fair fight because David Krejci played with a significant injury and Brad Marchand was also hurt during that series. The real problem the Leafs had was too many prima donnas on their team and an inability to deal with hockey playoff adversity. That is why their management team is trying to get some leaders in the room who can help the team combat adversity like men rather than children.

The coach got fired because the team management felt they lost a fair fight that should not have been lost. He was not given a pass for having the player injuries, as you suggest he should have been. And that was as it should be. The Jets head coach was fired today for the same reason: he did not get the job done. This is not pee wee hockey. This is the NHL.
First of all David Krejci’s NHL career was on its last legs & he’s now retired from professionally hockey. He’s 38. Second Brad Marchand was injured in the following series against Florida. Third i have no idea who you’re referring to when younsay that the Leafs have too many primadonas. I’ve watched every single Leafs game since 1987 & the Leafs from last season had zero players i could consider to be primadonas. As i mentioned in that series their top 3 players who are also bonafide superstars in the league either missed several games or were playing sick or injured. Marner, Matthews, Nylander & #1 goalie Joseph Woll who had to miss game 7 due to a leg injury. You cannot win a series against a great team like the Bruins when you have 300 points missing from the lineup! What are you, another no-nothing Rangers fan? Lol
 
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