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The season is going south on the Habs very quickly. Action needs to be taken to stop the bleeding.
I don’t think Xhekaj would back off from any players in the league. Losing a fight doesn’t mean you will lose the next one, except for Rempe.
Winnipeg setting a new league record for best start of the season ever 14-1!
Easy 4-1 win for the Leafs but the Habs played much better in the third period which was pretty much garbage time since the final outcome was already a done deal. Lots of ice time for the third & fourth lines for the Leafs tonight. That’s the most ice time i’ve seen Ryan Reaves get in a game this season & he played really well! No fight with Arber however had he fought him & the Habs would have gained momentum from the fight then Reaves likely would have been benched for the next three games! In other words there was no opportunity for a fight nor were they ever close to fighting. Lots of critiiscm for Suzuki throughout the game. Caufield looked like a passenger again. So was the extremely disappointing Kirby Dach. I really liked Lane Hutson’s game & Brendan Gallagher whom in my opinion has been the top habs player all season long scored the Mtl goal on the powerplay.
In other news the Sens beat the Bruins in OT on a beautiful goal by leader extraordinare Brady Tkachuk! The Bruins went almost two periods without a shot until that one dangerous shot in overtime. Great save by Ullmark considering he hadn’t faced a shot in over one hour! Speaking of the struggling Bruins…after watching them get shutout by the Leafs the other night & being dominated by the Sens tonight…THEY LOOK LIKE A SOFT TEAM!
In other news the Sens beat the Bruins in OT on a beautiful goal by leader extraordinare Brady Tkachuk! The Bruins went almost two periods without a shot until that one dangerous shot in overtime. Great save by Ullmark considering he hadn’t faced a shot in over one hour! Speaking of the struggling Bruins…after watching them get shutout by the Leafs the other night & being dominated by the Sens tonight…THEY LOOK LIKE A SOFT TEAM!
I usually think you have to wait until the 30 game mark in a hockey season before making wholesale changes, like firing the coach or GM. But as Yogi Berra once said, "it's getting late, early." Usually line changes and defensive pairing changes are attempted first and then when that doesn't work, people start being let go. The next 15 games will determine what happens next.
Quand on compare le capitaine Brady Tkachuk à SUZUKI.....on comprend beaucoup de choses...lol.
I never understood what they saw in Suzuki to want to name him captain. And to be honest i wasn’t sure about granting him such a big contract so quickly. I felt the same thing with Caufield. I look at what they’re paying Gallagher & Josh Anderson & realize some organizations never learn from their mistakes.
Look. The problems started nearly three years ago when they hired a hockey agent & named him GM of the most glorious hockey franchise in history. Then they made an even bigger mistake when he hired his buddy whose highest level of coaching was coaching 11 & 12 year olds. Two seemingly great guys with hockey knowledge. But still with zero NHL experience in the jobs they were hired for in probably the biggest hockey market in the world where everything involving the team is put under a microscope. For the first few years the fans & media were blinded byntheir affection for the hometown boy who excelled as a player in the sport. They loved his deep & passionate speeches about the game. They were promised that bigger & better things would come. To be patient & trust them. But now the honeymoon period may be over & the love aftair is showing its cracks. Fans & media are now realizing that the team hasn’t improved one bit & has actually been regressing. The fans & media are starting to panic. They don’t want their team to become the Buffalo Sabres which are on the thirteenth year of their so-called rebuild & will most likely end up missing the playoffs again. The fans & media realize that having a GM & a coaching staff with no NHL experience may be hurting the team & progress. They also realize that they guy coaching their farm team is the most experienced coach in the entire organization. He alone has more experience than the entire Habs coaching staff put together! And the Laval Rockets are off to an absolutely fantastic season & they probably could beat the Habs right now!
Without denying that Pascal Vincent is the most qualified person in the organization, I think that if Kent Hugues fires MSL tomorrow and replaces him with coach Vincent, it will send the message to his boss that, he’s in panic mode and out of solution. This would automatically place him at the top of the list of "who’s going out next".
If that were true GMs across the NHL would be afraid to fire coaches. History teaches the opposite is true: that firing the coach scapegoats a lower level employee for the failures of the entire organization, and thus deflects blame away from the front office for their failed personnel moves and decisions. This scapegoating process works effectively not only in the NHL, but in many industries. It's a well accepted method of doing business in the NHL, NFL, MLB and NBA.
Besides that, the team is now set and it is the coach's job to "find solutions." Changing line combinations and defensive pairings, allotment of ice time and motivating his players is the coach's job.
I think MSL should watch his neck very carefully because a blade could be coming out of nowhere to cut it and separate head from body.
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I think you need to understand better how GM-Coach dynamics work. Watch the movie Draft Day, in which Kevin Costner plays the GM of a fictitious losing football team who works with a former Super Bowl winning coach, played by Denis Leary, to turn the team around. There is a tension between coach and GM that is real and palpable. The Coach's job is to win with the players the GM gives him. Please watch how that message is conveyed in this scene:
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This is partly true, as a GM in the NHL, you are, generally, allowed a few strikes when it comes to replacing your head coach, before the heat starts burning your own ass.
But, imo, the situation here, with the new management, has a few specific dynamics that makes it a bit particular. First, our GM is not only inexperienced at this new job, but he went straight from representing the players to managing a team. That, in itself, was a peculiar move from Jeff Gorton.
From the first day I felt like this could lead to conflictual situations. Hugues was well known in the league to fiercely defend and protect his clients I.e. the players. Is it a surprise that he decided to hire , not only a player to be the head coach, but one that has zero experience as such? He also went to hire Vinnie Lecavalier as consultant, adding to the other 6-7 ex- players who are also in the organization.
How comfortable will this guy be when, facing drastic decisions such as firing some of his country club’s men? Not sure about that one.
As for GMs in other sports, I don’t have any references, I don’t watch them. In terms of sports, beside hockey, I only have interest in the Vendée Globe and, sometimes, professional European football leagues (soccer). Btw, if someone can explain why American football is actually called football, I would be curious to hear it.,
The answer is on the pro football HOF website:
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The name "football" can be traced back to two European cousins, soccer and rugby. The two sports combined and became the game of football we all love. Learn more today!
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There is a recent similar precedent of a player-agent suddenly and inexplicably being made the GM of a North American Sports Team. In 2018, the New York Mets of MLB hired Brodie Van Weghenen, a player agent for the Mets' best pitcher at the time, Jacob deGrom, to be their new GM. It was, at that time, completely unprecedented.. If you are wondering how things turned out for Brodie, the answer is not well. He last exactly 2 years, in which he developed a reputation for making bad trades and bad free agent signings. In 2020 when the Mets were purchased by new owner Steve Cohen, Brodie was quickly fired. He likely would have been fired anyway by the old owners. He is no longer in MLB, either as a player agent or GM. He now works as head of business development for Jay Z's talent agency.
Regarding Hughes, ultimately the "Country Club" he created will lose its cache and privileges when the team goes down the drain. I do understand that he is probably more likely to give a longer rope to MSL than other GMs might, but eventually ownership will demand from him to make changes, and his hands will be tied. I think ultimately if the losses continue to mount, he will be told, as many GMs were before him, "fire the coach, or you will be fired." I cannot think of any GMs whose chose to be fired, although current U of Tennessee basketball coach Rick Barnes, when he coached U of Texas, was told by the AD to fire his assistant coaches or he would be fired. He refused, was immediately fired, and then was hired by the University of Tennessee. The U of Texas has gone through several coaches since Barnes was fired, and their team has not been as good as when he was their coach. I think when he stood up for his assistant coaches, many coaches nationally saw him as a heroic figure.
I really doubt Kent Hughes would ever fire his buddy MSL. I think the most likely scenario would be MSL resigning stating personal & family reasons which would be an entirely valid reason considering his family never agreed to follow him to Mtl. Being away from your spouse from Sept-May isn’t exactly great on any marriage. I’m also certain he misses not seeing his children regularly & following their collegiate hockey careers. And the constant pressure to win in Mtl must be unbearable at times. He’s been lucky for two years but now the fans & media are starting to question (with reason) his competency.
The key are the players. Do they still believe in him? Do they believe in his complicated system which many are saying is mostly seen in college hockey & rarely in the pro game? Do they still have respect for him as an NHL coach or are they now doubting his competency considering his gross lack of experience coaching at an elite level? Howmdo they feel when call-ups from Laval brag about how good a coach Pascal Vimcent is when they’re supposedly using the same man-to-man hybrid system MSL uses in Mtl? Personally i don’t believe the coaching staff has lost the players’ trust again but it will happen of the losing streak continues. It’s in the players’ DNA that they hate to lose & we’ve often seen examples in the past that losing can become a culture & players can get used to it, which is the absolute worse thing that could happen to young players in development.
Let me make a prediction: odds are 50/50 that Martin St-Louis will finish the season as the coach of the Mtl Canadiens.
He hasn’t feel half of what it can be, because him and his bosses made it clear that the first years would be pretty bumpy. For this season, at the team golf tournament, the different levels of management has expressed their expectations for the 2024-2025 season. Let’s look back at these statements:
Jeff Molson said he was confident to see some good improvements.
Gorton and Hugues stated that they were seeing the team being part of the "mix", i.e. battling for the last spots for the playoffs. Not necessarily making the playoffs.
Martin Saint-Louis, being asked several times, refused to use the term "being in the mix", he said that this year he was focusing on results. His point seemed more in line with the owner than with his direct bosses.
So clearly, if someone should be starting to feel pressured, it is more likely to be Gorton and Hugues, but they hold the better end of the stick, as opposed to the coach. And they don’t have to speak to the media every single day.
MSL is starting to show some signs of exasperation in post game interviews but I think it’s half directed towards the media’s expectations and questions. He speaks as someone who still believes that his team will starts to win soon and be a tough team to beat. In the end, he could resign and say that he never promised that his team would make the playoffs and he would be fuckin’ right to say so.
It's no greater than what Aaron Boone faces as manager of the NY Yankees, and I can guarantee everyone in this thread Boone has been second guessed 10 times more aggressively in his pressers and for many more years than MSL has.
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