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I thought I start a new thread. Trump has been threatening tariffs for a while and now it is reality. What his true motives are are unknown but I suspect it might be personal. Having said that, see why I hate the government because a lot of the problems in the world are caused by the government. I want to discuss Canada's response which is stupid. At the end it is the working class that will pay the biggest price. Canada plans to put tariffs on all goods from the US. They want to fight a war with a country that is ten times the size economically. The US is much less reliant on Canada, American exporters will be affected much less, their dollar also has more value. Remember tariffs are a tax and is no good for anyone but the government. The US government and the Canadian government will raise lots of revenue via tariffs but it is the working class that will be impoverished especially due to the cost of living crisis. Not only that Canada will go into a recession. Businesses rely heavily on exports to the US, expect huge job losses. Americans will also pay the price as they will experience a big sticker shock. Many things that Americans buy from Canada.

Another dangerous thing that Canada plans to do to adding tariffs, Canada plans to spend and dish out social benefits to businesses affected, the spending will be similar to pandemic level spending. This is the stupidest thing to do. Initially it will help, but the long term impacts will be disastrous especially for the working class. See even after two years and we still got so much inflation due to covid spending. Anyone that really understands economics, you cannot tax yourself to prosperity. All this money printing will cause inflation like we never seen before.

What Canada should do instead, secure the border, stop the flow of drugs, deport all illegal immigrants, shut down immigration for several years. Continue to negotiate with the US and end dairy supply management. Canada must diversify, they need to be less dependent on the US. Start exporting to other countries and begin to import products from other countries instead, in a nutshell find alternative markets. To make the country more productive, reduce taxes, reduce capital gains taxes, reduce regulations to make investment more attractive, remove climate change nonsense policies that make it hard to use our natural resources, Canada has so much oil think of how much of a boost to the Canadian economy it will be, scrap the carbon tax and do not replace it with something else.
 
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To make the country more productive, reduce taxes, reduce capital gains taxes, reduce regulations to make investment more attractive, remove climate change nonsense policies that make it hard to use our natural resources, Canada has so much oil think of how much of a boost to the Canadian economy it will be, scrap the carbon tax and do not replace it with something else.
To sum up your thought, you think we should be MAGA Americans. No thanks.
 

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Plus aucun achats de produit américain ! pu de Netflix ! pu d'amazon !
pu de Walmart ! pu de Facebook! pu de Mc DO ! ma prochaine voiture sera une Toyota! Et supportons nos bannière Canadienne ! Pour moi j'achète tout sauf américain maintenant!! Le gouvernement devrais imposer a son tour, un sur taxe de 100% sur tous les produits américain. De façon a les éliminer complètement de notre paysage commercial, pour les 4 prochaines années. Le monde existais avant les USA de Ronald Mc Trump( un criminel en plus) , et il existera encore après ! Disons leurs au revoir pour le prochain 4 ans. Pour nous aider voici une application simple a utiliser tu prend en photo ton article que tu veux acheter et scan le avec cette application ; isthiscanadian.ca
 
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200% agreed scrap the carbon tax. It's just money in the pocket for the government, and we ,hard workers, have pay for it. They said they will return it to us, where? I dont see it. Gas is going up and up, prices grocery is up, its just BS. They just plant a few trees with our tax money, and told us, its good for environnement, and ppl still believe them! I dont get it!
 

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Plus aucun achats de produit américain ! pu de Netflix ! pu d'amazon !
pu de Walmart ! pu de Facebook! pu de Mc DO ! ma prochaine voiture sera une Toyota! Et supportons nos bannière Canadienne ! Pour moi j'achète tout sauf américain maintenant!! Le gouvernement devrais imposer a son tour, un sur taxe de 100% sur tous les produits américain. De façon a les éliminer complètement de notre paysage commercial, pour les 4 prochaines années. Le monde existais avant les USA de Ronald Mc Trump( un criminel en plus) , et il existera encore après ! Disons leurs au revoir pour le prochain 4 ans.
Agreed, but try to convince ppl no Netflix? no Facebook? Good luck !
No Superbowl? Good luck too! We are too dependent on them!
 
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Agreed, but try to convince ppl no Netflix? no Facebook? Good luck !
tu as raison dans ce que tu dis. Mais une guerre ne peut être facile.
Celle-ci sera différente de ce que nous connaissons du mot guerre. Car elle se passera ici chez nous. Elle nous touchera dans nos habitude de vie aux quotidien, et dans nos poches. Ce sera a nous de faire nos choix. De supporter ou pas nos Élus et concitoyens Canadiens. Je déteste tellement ce grossier personnage ( Mc Trump le bandit ) que je suis sur que j'aurai un vrai plaisir a changé mes habitudes de consommation. Ce sera mon effort de guerre a moi ! Ma façon a moi de le gifler et de lui cracher aux visage, est de ne plus acheter américain pour les prochaines 4 années !
 
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tu as raison dans ce que tu dis. Mais une guerre ne peut être facile.
Celle-ci sera différente de ce que nous connaissons du mot guerre. Car elle se passera ici chez nous. elle nous touchera dans nos habitude de vie aux quotidien, et dans nos poches. Ce sera a nous de faire nos choix. De supporter ou pas nos Élus et concitoyens Canadiens. Je déteste tellement ce grossier personnage ( Mc Trump le bandit ) que je suis sur que j'aurai un vrai plaisir a changé mes habitudes de consommation. Ce sera mon effort de guerre a moi ! Ma façon a moi de le gifler et de lui cracher aux visage, est de ne plus acheter américain pour les prochaines 4 années !
Suis d'accord avec toi, mais je serai curieux de savoir combien de Canadiens vont fermer leur compte d'Amazon? Ou Facebook? Ou débarrasser de leur Tesla? :)
 

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Suis d'accord avec toi, mais je serai curieux de savoir combien de Canadiens vont fermer leur compte d'Amazon? Ou Facebook? Ou débarrasser de leur Tesla? :)
probablement que la réponse a ton questionnement serais décevante
 
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I agree with you, but I'd be curious to know how many Canadians are going to close their Amazon account? Or Facebook? Or get rid of their Tesla? :)
I already gave up on Amazon a long time ago. Facebook even longer ago. I've never had plans to buy a Tesla. In fact I was offered a job in Texas for Tesla and I have zero faith in that company so I refused.

I don't see those things as a major deal either tho. All the little things like alcohol and daily food and drink.
 

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Again, the reasons for this are not economic, Trump has stated it is due to Canadian negligence in allowing illegal drugs and specifically fentanyl into the USA, causing many overdose deaths, including that of rock star Prince, a beloved American musician:
"Canada has played a central role in these challenges, including by failing to devote sufficient attention and resources or meaningfully coordinate with United States law enforcement partners to effectively stem the tide of illicit drugs.

Drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) are the world’s leading producers of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, and other illicit drugs, and they cultivate, process, and distribute massive quantities of narcotics that fuel addiction and violence in communities across the United States. These DTOs often collaborate with transnational cartels to smuggle illicit drugs into the United States, utilizing clandestine airstrips, maritime routes, and overland corridors."

What Trump wants is better policing of the borders so the flood of these drugs into the USA is stopped. He wants Canada to play ball with US federal law enforcement and is using the tariffs to induce cooperation that was not obtained by asking Canada, nicely, to play ball. As soon as Canada starts to cooperate as they have been asked, the tariffs will be reduced or eliminated.

This is absolutely no different than the neighbor who lives next door and continually lets his dog take shits in your yard. You ask him nicely not to let the dog shit in your yard. He doesn't stop. At that point you send him a bill for the clean up costs so he can pay for the damage.
I believe Trump's reasons for imposing tariffs is personal. It has nothing to do with illegal migrants or fentanyl or trade deficits. When Trump said that he will impose 25% tariffs unless Canada joins the US to become the 51st state is in essence an invasion. He declared economic warfare. Whatever reasons Trump gave for imposing tariffs is all bs. The tariffs against Canada is personal. Think about this, in 2024, USCBP seized 21,148 pounds of fentanyl at the southwest border, mostly smuggled from Mexico. But only 43 pounds were seized from the northern border. Now coming to illegal migrants, the CBP caught 1.5 million people south of the border yet from the northern border they caught 2300 people. Why is Trump imposing the same tariffs to Mexico and Canada given those figures? Why did Trump make the offer of 51st state to Canada but not to Mexico? Because Trump wants Canada's resources more specifically oil. Trump also said there is a trade deficit, but if you remove the oil the US needs because they get 60% of it from Canada, the US is at a trade surplus. The US imports so much oil from Canada that it is the only thing that creates a trade deficit. Why did Canada not import tariffs on US goods when 90% of illegal guns used by criminals come from the US?

This has nothing to do with the border. This is a personal vendetta by Trump against Trudope. He hates Trudope. Trump's actions confirms this. Trump meet with Alberta premiere Danielle Smith but Trump is ignoring all calls from Trudope. Trump is pissed because when he lost the election, Trudope mocked him thinking that Trump would never get reelected. Trudope is an idiot and this is mostly his fault. This is an example of Trudope being the idiot he is poked the bear thinking that he will not come back. And Trudope is so dumb, after Trump got elected. Trudope goes on stage to announce that he is a proud feminist and that Americans made a mistake to not elect a woman as president. This is 100% a personal vendetta. And to add, the Trudeau Liberals already impoverished Canada with mass immigration and high taxes. And also he made it more poor by not expanding oil and natural gas and to impose a carbon tax and a cap and trade system. Japan asked for natural gas, Germany asked for natural gas when the Russian Ukraine war happened, Trudope said no. Let this be known, Trudope is responsible for this as much as Trump is. Trump is lieing and bs, he needs to tell the truth. He is using tariffs to collect revenue to lower taxes for Americans. When he says Canada needs to secure the border, that is bs. When he says that there is a trade deficit and that the US is subsidizing Canada is also bs.
 

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I believe Trump's reasons for imposing tariffs is personal. It has nothing to do with illegal migrants or fentanyl or trade deficits. When Trump said that he will impose 25% tariffs unless Canada joins the US to become the 51st state is in essence an invasion. He declared economic warfare. Whatever reasons Trump gave for imposing tariffs is all bs. The tariffs against Canada is personal. Think about this, in 2024, USCBP seized 21,148 pounds of fentanyl at the southwest border, mostly smuggled from Mexico. But only 43 pounds were seized from the northern border. Now coming to illegal migrants, the CBP caught 1.5 million people south of the border yet from the northern border they caught 2300 people. Why is Trump imposing the same tariffs to Mexico and Canada given those figures? Why did Trump make the offer of 51st state to Canada but not to Mexico? Because Trump wants Canada's resources more specifically oil. Trump also said there is a trade deficit, but if you remove the oil the US needs because they get 60% of it from Canada, the US is at a trade surplus. The US imports so much oil from Canada that it is the only thing that creates a trade deficit. Why did Canada not import tariffs on US goods when 90% of illegal guns used by criminals come from the US?

This has nothing to do with the border. This is a personal vendetta by Trump against Trudope. He hates Trudope. Trump's actions confirms this. Trump meet with Alberta premiere Danielle Smith but Trump is ignoring all calls from Trudope. Trump is pissed because when he lost the election, Trudope mocked him thinking that Trump would never get reelected. Trudope is an idiot and this is mostly his fault. This is an example of Trudope being the idiot he is poked the bear thinking that he will not come back. And Trudope is so dumb, after Trump got elected. Trudope goes on stage to announce that he is a proud feminist and that Americans made a mistake to not elect a woman as president. This is 100% a personal vendetta. And to add, the Trudeau Liberals already impoverished Canada with mass immigration and high taxes. And also he made it more poor by not expanding oil and natural gas and to impose a carbon tax and a cap and trade system. Japan asked for natural gas, Germany asked for natural gas when the Russian Ukraine war happened, Trudope said no. Let this be known, Trudope is responsible for this as much as Trump is. Trump is lieing and bs, he needs to tell the truth. He is using tariffs to collect revenue to lower taxes for Americans. When he says Canada needs to secure the border, that is bs. When he says that there is a trade deficit and that the US is subsidizing Canada is also bs.
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To sum up your thought, you think we should be MAGA Americans. No thanks.
his greatest ally is Isreal … but. I know too much and people will call me a racist bigot lmao.
Oh not to mention how Isreal is the culprit behind most wars. don’t get me started on AIPAC. Lmaooooooo
Ohhhhhh the can of worms on this one.
Hint: they own 99% of the world. They are the 1%
When you follow the money - shit gets wild.

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Worthy mention:
Trump’s halt on foreign aid excludes Israellololol. Riddle me that one.


They can carry on bombing innocent civilians and kids with their US military money.
 
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Whether you stop supporting whatever brand or big corp. it doesn’t matter, banks are owned by big corps. I get the ethical part behind it though. I also stopped supporting brands for different reasons. Starbucks sucks anyways. Point is - everything up until your bank account that you have savings or chequing accounts is controlled by “them” / big corp / big brother. So. For you to really make it count you’d have to close your bank account and start bartering with silver or gold. Hahaha. It’s a whooooooole rabbit hole.
 
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Whether you stop supporting whatever brand or big corp. it doesn’t matter, banks are owned by big corps. I get the ethical part behind it though. I also stopped supporting brands for different reasons. Starbucks sucks anyways. Point is - everything up until your bank account that you have savings or chequing accounts is controlled by “them” / big corp / big brother. So. For you to really make it count you’d have to close your bank account and start bartering with silver or gold. Hahaha. It’s a whooooooole rabbit hole.
Are you taking this the the rothpeople?

Agreed tho there is no physical way to escape. We are all fucked there and continue to dig deeper holes. There are no good "options" out there where money or spending is concearned.

Mentally tho, is a different story.

"Nothing to Fear but Fear Itself"
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It's not "personal." And he's not stupid.

The stated reasons are most likely a negotiating tactic to force us to give-in on whatever issues he sees as disadvantageous to the US. So, for example, we'll definitely do whatever he wants regarding the border, military spending, and so many other things, possibly even restricting who & how many people get into our own country (already a housing issue domestically).

Trump's a bully and so punching down against us (and Mexico and Colombia and Denmark and Panama, etc.) is easy, whereas doing so against China has many more risks, hence their "only" 10% tariff versus our 25% (except for oil, where it's also 10%). Just look at what happened with Colombia. Their president talked tough for 5 minutes about returning migrants and then backed down at the first Trump threat of tariffs.

Still, he's going to face significant inflationary pressure and supply-chain shocks, at least in the short run, which is what he's betting on. And then there's the EU, which he's also going to hit hard. But no one knows how this will play out. I mean, if the economy goes tits up in Canada and Mexico and Latin America, that is only going to make his border problem worse not better, unless he literally does build a wall around the continental US.

Why is he doing this? Well, for one, tarrifs will generate enormous revenue for the federal govt., which may be used to pay down the debt and significantly cut taxes for corporations and our tech overlords.

Likely also, in his own mind, is that he thinks tariffs will help significantly restore America's industrial base, hence create jobs for his MAGA voters. And he's not necessarily wrong about that, at least in theory, though I would think there are many other factors needed to achieve this. His understanding, I think, is that America's enormous industrial base up to WW2 was based on tariffs. Which is true, as I understand it. But whether that can be replicated today is another story. The disruption will be great and whether he'll have the nerve (and the time) to stay the course is an open question--unless, afterall, it really is just a negotiating tactic.

PS. gold up, oil up ... but the major indexes are way down.
 
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Trump's a bully and so punching down against us (and Mexico and Colombia and Denmark and Panama, etc.) is easy, whereas doing so against China has many more risks, hence their "only" 10% tariff versus our 25% (except for oil, where it's also 10%). Just look at what happened with Colombia. Their president talked tough for 5 minutes about returning migrants and then backed down at the first Trump threat of tariffs.
You forgot to mention Canada in this statement.

And yea Trump knows that he can't impose 25% on China because it will be too much for the U.S. Consumer to bear. Canada has a much smaller economy than China does, and so the impact of retaliatory tariffs is insignificant in comparison. Trump is betting on Canada folding like Mexico did.

You do understand that bullies win all the time in school playgrounds all over the world, right? I have no problem with bullying in politics, it's what effective political leaders are supposed to do.

Trump wants to hear some very specific things from your leaders. If he hears them, he will call off the tariff dogs.
 
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Things Canada can do and there is nothing MAGA about these suggestions. These are common sense measures and the worst thing to do is for Canada to impose tariffs on American goods. Canada will not win and as Eagerbeaver said, the Canadian economy is so much smaller and the bully always wins. So these are things Canada should do ASAP.
  1. With Trump's tariffs, our economy will shrink about 2 to 3% as companies will be downsizing. What that means is that there will be a lot of unemployed people. I already heard of mass layoffs at some manufacturing plants. Currently there are about 50,000 international students that did not show up for school, they must be all deported including permanent residents and refugees. They are in our economy draining our resources. What is more the increased demand is making rents go higher and the price of food higher. They need to be sent back, all of them. The jobs should go to Canadians first and with a recession we need rents and food prices to go down. When you got too many people and little jobs, then those jobs should go to Canadians first.
  2. There are a lot of Canadian companies that are actually owned by American entities. There is a withholding tax when those foreigners takes out a dividend from the Canadian companies that they own, they need to be slapped a much higher withholding tax, I would say to double it. That prevents the money from leaving Canada and for those profits to remain in Canada.
  3. Next thing interprovincial trade barriers must be all eliminated. When trade is done between provinces there are tariffs and restrictions. That all has to be removed. There needs to be free trade between all provinces.
  4. The carbon tax needs to be eliminated and should not be replaced with anything else. Did any of you seen a natural gas heating bill? The carbon tax is literally double the usage charge. We cannot afford to think about climate change especially when Canada represents only 1% of the total pollution in the world and this is hurting the working class. We need to invest trillions in liquefied natural gas and need to diversify to supply it to other countries. Japan and Germany begged Canada for natural gas and the idiot Trudope said know. Norway stepped in to supply natural gas to Germany and is making billions. Currently Canada has only one pipeline and that goes to the USA and the oil is supplied to USA at a low rate. When we remove the oil and gas supplied to the US, we are at a trade deficit. The US has a surplus. They sell more to us then we sell to them. Then Trump says there is an unfair balance. The USA is getting that oil at such a cheap price because we only got one pipeline and cannot sell it to anyone else. Had Canada diversified its oil and gas to Europe and Asia, none of this would have been a problem. We can cut taxes and subsidize industries affected by this and it would not even make a dent in the taxpayers pocket. We would not even need to print out money. Canada has the third largest oil reserves, behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. We can make trillions.
These are the immediate solutions I would suggest.
 

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Things Canada can do and there is nothing MAGA about these suggestions. These are common sense measures and the worst thing to do is for Canada to impose tariffs on American goods. Canada will not win and as Eagerbeaver said, the Canadian economy is so much smaller and the bully always wins. So these are things Canada should do ASAP.
  1. With Trump's tariffs, our economy will shrink about 2 to 3% as companies will be downsizing. What that means is that there will be a lot of unemployed people. I already heard of mass layoffs at some manufacturing plants. Currently there are about 50,000 international students that did not show up for school, they must be all deported including permanent residents and refugees. They are in our economy draining our resources. What is more the increased demand is making rents go higher and the price of food higher. They need to be sent back, all of them. The jobs should go to Canadians first and with a recession we need rents and food prices to go down. When you got too many people and little jobs, then those jobs should go to Canadians first.
  2. There are a lot of Canadian companies that are actually owned by American entities. There is a withholding tax when those foreigners takes out a dividend from the Canadian companies that they own, they need to be slapped a much higher withholding tax, I would say to double it. That prevents the money from leaving Canada and for those profits to remain in Canada.
  3. Next thing interprovincial trade barriers must be all eliminated. When trade is done between provinces there are tariffs and restrictions. That all has to be removed. There needs to be free trade between all provinces.
  4. The carbon tax needs to be eliminated and should not be replaced with anything else. Did any of you seen a natural gas heating bill? The carbon tax is literally double the usage charge. We cannot afford to think about climate change especially when Canada represents only 1% of the total pollution in the world and this is hurting the working class. We need to invest trillions in liquefied natural gas and need to diversify to supply it to other countries. Japan and Germany begged Canada for natural gas and the idiot Trudope said know. Norway stepped in to supply natural gas to Germany and is making billions. Currently Canada has only one pipeline and that goes to the USA and the oil is supplied to USA at a low rate. When we remove the oil and gas supplied to the US, we are at a trade deficit. The US has a surplus. They sell more to us then we sell to them. Then Trump says there is an unfair balance. The USA is getting that oil at such a cheap price because we only got one pipeline and cannot sell it to anyone else. Had Canada diversified its oil and gas to Europe and Asia, none of this would have been a problem. We can cut taxes and subsidize industries affected by this and it would not even make a dent in the taxpayers pocket. We would not even need to print out money. Canada has the third largest oil reserves, behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. We can make trillions.
These are the immediate solutions I would suggest.

I agree with you on oil and natural gaz export to other countries than USA.
I don't know how much more money we could have made because of higher transport costs, bit I bet it would have been beneficial.
Unfortunately, First Nations blocked the pipeline to the West and environmentalists did the same to the East.
I hope that the future Newfoundland oil will be exported to Europe and not to US, unless even if an intelligent President get elected.
We have the proof that a crazy dictator can be elected.
 
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