Israel and the United States attack Iran

[Halloween Mike]

Hopefully this does not not come out the wrong way but i am so sick and tired of this whole conflict. Like im not saying Israel is white like snow, but can (or should) we all agree that the islamist terror regimes are clearly the bag guys in that conflict? Why is Iran so hell bent on wanting to destroy Israel? Why it want "death to america" as well? For the most part USA have let them run their country as they want, even if its absolutely DISGUSTING (women are threated worst than dogs). Its stupid because everytime there is a war so much peoples dies and for what? NOTHING ! What is there to gain for Iran? They really think the world would allow Israel to be destroyed? And millions dying?

And the worst part is like someone said, i do believe these religious fanatics are capable of mutual destruction. Im no Putin or Kim Jon-Un supporter AT ALL, but at the very least i do think these 2 horrible dictators do care that their country remain ...well...alive so they can rule them in terror, and do not wish a mutual destruction at all. But religious extremists? They say themselves they are are happy to "die for Allah" and be "martyrs". They don't value life. Of course its not all Iranians, but sadly its the peoples in charge.

Since Israel clearly has nuclear weapons, it doesn't seem likely that Iran would actually use a nuclear weapon against Israel right away. But once Iran gets a nuke and tests it publicly, then the threat of using it is all that Iran really wants.

As the only Muslim nuclear country in the Middle East, Iran would have even more freedom of action to create trouble with its terrorist proxies than it already has. Iran has demonstrated that it will go to extremes to attack Israel via its terrorist proxies (Hama, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc.). but if it were necessary, then they don't care whether they and their fellow citizens would die in a nuclear exchange with Israel. Eliminating Iran's nukes gets rid of the nuclear threat and also the endless wars with Iran's proxies.

Pakistan is Muslim no? They do have Nukes. I know the conflict with India recently was very "nerve racking" for some peoples. It seem to have tone down now. At least.

I want to make something clear. May had said it before but ill repeat if i did. I DO NOT like Benyamin Netanyahu. I do think he is too hellbent on war. From what i understand there was protest against him before 2023 and the massacre. Israelis wanted him out.

Another thing also... One thing i don't support Israel doing is creating more colonies in the west bank. I do think the Westbank should be given back to Jordan and let them handle the issues. I heard they don't even want it ... but well. If i was running Israel i would at least try to appear a part of the "Palestinians" and let them keep 100% of what they have. I know lots of them do not want a 2 states solution. They want it all. They want the destruction of Israel and at best the expelling of the Jews to Europe or whatever, and at worst their death, but lets try to make a step in the right direction?

Gaza is more touchy because clearly Hamas has been a huge threat and they are responsible for what happened there since Oct 2023. But once the war is done, i think best think would be to fortify the border a lot more and let Egypt handle Gaza (again... even if they don't want to). Or maybe another Arab country. Israel should have no more expension and just keep what they have now.

On the other hand, no more terror attacks from Gaza !!

Israel is the only Jewish country in the world, while Muslim have plenty and way bigger, so its why i really cringe when i hear "free palestine". They basically chant for Israel to be gone. Jews have one country, let them keep it. But no expension !

I really don't understand tough why Islam has such a conquering nature. Yes i know there is a lot of good Muslim too. But i can't lie and say i am afraid of the bad apples infiltrating our societies. And its not just the pure extremists (like actual terrorists) but some Muslim openly says they would like Sharia Law in Canada (or Europe etc). Why leave your country that already has that to come live here then? Clearly they want "le beure et l'argent du beure". They want our riches and comfort, but they want to impose their believes on us. They don't want to go live in a poor country like Afghanistan in the middle of the desert...

Anyway thats why im concern. Yes everyday i cherish being born in Canada in what is probably the safest country on Earth (even if Trump and his 51 state nonsense been annoying lately). Historically we are allign with the world's most powerful country, we are surrounded by natural defenses (oceans) and kinda far from direct threats.We mostly see as peaceful. But again sometimes i feel some peoples with bad intentions want to abuse this...

I am around the middle of my life right now, maybe a bit less, maybe a bit more, if i stay in good health. I have no kids. So i likely won't live long enough to see an Islamist Canada and i don't have descendants that will. But its not an irrational fear AT ALL. Its something that actually could happen. More we give, more they take (give them an inch, they want a foot) and i already have seen Canada change a lot since i was a kid from what it was 30 years ago. Granted maybe i was too small a child to really grasp how the world ran, and i had nowhere near the same acces (or even interest in it) to infos as now, but still it feel very different.

Ill conclude on this. Everybody that knows this know i am mostly a peaceful person. I enjoy combat sport but always in respect. I don't kill bugs unless its an accident or i have no other choices (like i wouldn't let my place get infested...). But for instance once i step on a spider by mistake, i felt bad for hours. I was searching it to catch it in my "bug trap" so i could drop it outside and while i was looking for it i step on it. I may eat meat cause i was raised that way but i always have toughts about the animals that died for this food. I wouldn't be able to hunt or go fishing myself... cause i couldn't pull the trigger. I think the only way i could is if im stranded and my survival would depend on it.

All of this to say im really not for war and wish the world would live in peace. But at the same time i am concerned about the safety of not only us in Canada, but Israelies, Americans etc, and i do feel for the women and civilians who are oppressed by tyranical regimes such as Iran or North Korea. I find it extremely angering that women are treated as they are in countries like Iran or even Saudi Arabia wich is a lot more "moderate" and have good relationship with the US.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Let just keep in mind that Israel keeps pretending that Iran is about to be able to put up a nuclear bomb since…1996!

But, as of today, june 2025, this is the latest statement from the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency:

"Face aux soupçons occidentaux, le chef de l’Agence internationale de l’énergie atomique (AIEA) Rafael Grossi affirme que son agence n’a décelé dans son dernier rapport aucun indice laissant penser que l’Iran fabrique à l’heure actuelle une arme atomique."

Translation:

"Faced with Western suspicions, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Rafael Grossi, has stated that his agency has not detected any evidence in its latest report suggesting that Iran is currently manufacturing a nuclear weapon."

I dont know but, personaly, I am more incline to believe him than Netahyaou, Khameini or Trump.

 

[EagerBeaver]

"Faced with Western suspicions, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Rafael Grossi, has stated that his agency has not detected any evidence in its latest report suggesting that Iran is currently manufacturing a nuclear weapon."

I dont know but, personaly, I am more incline to believe him than Netahyaou, Khameini or Trump.

Why? are you really naive enough to believe he has seen everything Iran has, and that Iran is completely above such shenanigans as not showing all of their cards? I do not believe that for one second.

I think his conclusion is right but it's only based on what he has seen.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Hopefully this does not not come out the wrong way but i am so sick and tired of this whole conflict. Like im not saying Israel is white like snow, but can (or should) we all agree that the islamist terror regimes are clearly the bag guys in that conflict? Why is Iran so hell bent on wanting to destroy Israel? Why it want "death to america" as well? For the most part USA have let them run their country as they want, even if its absolutely DISGUSTING (women are threated worst than dogs). Its stupid because everytime there is a war so much peoples dies and for what? NOTHING ! What is there to gain for Iran? They really think the world would allow Israel to be destroyed? And millions dying?

And the worst part is like someone said, i do believe these religious fanatics are capable of mutual destruction. Im no Putin or Kim Jon-Un supporter AT ALL, but at the very least i do think these 2 horrible dictators do care that their country remain ...well...alive so they can rule them in terror, and do not wish a mutual destruction at all. But religious extremists? They say themselves they are are happy to "die for Allah" and be "martyrs". They don't value life. Of course its not all Iranians, but sadly its the peoples in charge.

Sadly, this is all true, but the probem is that regime change will not lead to any fundamental change in threat and risk reduction. Past western attempts at doing so were misguided and only stirred up greater hostility, while not doing anything to improve socoipolitical or economic conditions within these problematic countries.

Throughout the Middle Eastern countries (except Israel) there is the same fundamental problem: a lack of secular governments, a lack of separation of Church (or Mosque) and State, sectarian strife and tribal warfare, and resultant corruption. In the name of religion, and for hundreds of years stretching back into the middle ages, the population at large, and especially women, have been kept down and economically enslaved by local clerics. We are talking about countries in which women are stoned for adultery, prostitution or failure to consent to arranged marriages (even when they are minors), and citizens are put to death for minor drug offenses that would not even lead to a sentence of incarceration in many jurisdictions in North America. Education is suppressed so that the status quo can be maintained. The result is no real change in the standards of living since the 1300s. So what you can expect to happen is that these countries all become breeding grounds for fanatics and terrorists eager to lash out at the more prosperous western countries, who actually figured out that secular government was the way to go hundreds of years ago.

To eliminate the threat of Islamic radicals getting their hands on nuclear weapons that they will then use on the west, more than regime change is needed. You would have to completely overhaul the entire sociopolitical and economic organization of these countries, and it is an impossible task.

I do believe it is inevitable that Iran and other countries with such leaders will eventually develop, and militarily use, a nuclear bomb in order to "glorify Allah" and bring "Death" to the countries that have tried to stop them from obtaining this technology. Hence, I consider the efforts by Israel to stop that eventuality from happening to be humanitarian efforts.

 

[Halloween Mike]

We are talking about countries in which women are stoned for adultery, prostitution or failure to consent to arranged marriages (even when they are minors), and citizens are put to death for minor drug offenses that would not even lead to a sentence of incarceration in many jurisdictions in North America. Education is suppressed so that the status quo can be maintained. The result is no real change in the standards of living since the 1300s. So what you can expect to happen is that these countries all become breeding grounds for fanatics and terrorists eager to lash out at the more prosperous western countries, who actually figured out that secular government was the way to go hundreds of years ago.

To eliminate the threat of Islamic radicals getting their hands on nuclear weapons that they will then use on the west, more than regime change is needed. You would have to completely overhaul the entire sociopolitical and economic organization of these countries, and it is an impossible task.

I do believe it is inevitable that Iran and other countries with such leaders will eventually develop, and militarily use, a nuclear bomb in order to "glorify Allah" and bring "Death" to the countries that have tried to stop them from obtaining this technology. Hence, I consider the efforts by Israel to stop that eventuality from happening to be humanitarian efforts.

What is the solution then? Should civilized countries keep a permanent presence and enforce martial law? At least for as long as needed? I know with technology today its not as easy, but post WW2 from understanding both the USSR and the USA kept a presence in Berlin and Germany for years. I know political endoctrinement is not as hard to eradicate as religious endoctrinement, but its great that Germany could be deradicalized and now is a great country (its getting overrun a bit from bad immigrants tough from what i understand, a consequence of their good will because of what happened in the past, ironically).

But then when you consider the US spent 20 years in Afghanistan and the next day after they left, the governement had fallen and the terrorists took over once more... This feel so discouraging. Should US "occupy" Iran and other islamist countries for 80-100 years to manage to eradicate all radicalism? is this even possible? And im sure soldiers losing their lives all the time would bring concern to the civlians and their family members.

The problem with warfare technology is that its always evolving and in both sense. I wish we could simply develop shields to stop any missiles threat including nuclear, but then they develop better missiles and so on and on. I heard that basically IF Russia or China wanted to strike in the US, it would take roughly 20 minutes for the missiles to land and it would be impossible to intercept... Yes the US could launch as well and thus mutual destruction, but basically nothing could prevent it from happening.

Its scary when you think about all of this. Of course this is just stuff i read online. Im not in the military or a scientist so i can't say all of this is 100% true facts.

 

[minutemenX]

Let just keep in mind that Israel keeps pretending that Iran is about to be able to put up a nuclear bomb since…1996!

Most nuclear reactors in power stations require enriched uranium ( uranium with higher concentrations of U 235) ranging between 3.5% and 4.5%. Some nuclear reactors designed for navy ships propulsion and submarines use up to 20% enrichment. Iran has admitted enrichment to 60%. What for? This but itself is sufficient prove that they are aiming for the bomb. Yes, they have been enriching for years to get a few hundred kilos with 60%. However, enrichment from 60 to 90% required for the bomb can be done within few weeks. It is not a linear process.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

I think his conclusion is right but it's only based on what he has seen.

But at least, he has seen something, as oppose to Benny and Trumpy, who are both mostly known for being compulsive liars and cheaters.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Should US "occupy" Iran and other islamist countries for 80-100 years to manage to eradicate all radicalism? is this even possible?

It's not possible and it's not going to happen. Trump is much more of an isolationist than a war monger and he has a number of isolationists in his cabinet. None of them are eager to repeat mistakes of the past.

However if unmistakeable proof arises or Iran actually does use a nuclear weapon, which I think will eventually happen, the USA will get involved and bring its full military arsenal to bear against Iran. Iran would be very foolish to provoke such a conflict, but eventually one of them in power will be whacky enough to pull the trigger and believe he will receive Allah's full glory and honor for doing so. It's a matter of time on that. Maybe in your lifetime, maybe in your kid's lifetime.

 

[Anna Bijou]

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Great factual & complete explanation of what's actually up (especially the second one but both are worth watching if you're as annoyed as I was/am with people just talking out of their asses all over the internet or repeating nonsense on the news).

Take 10-15min if you're not already aware of this info (I wasn't, I never followed the negotiations or anything like that), it's worth it. I'm so sick of how awful legacy media is when it comes to anything with even a little complexity.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936065722918342761

 

[Anna Bijou]

What is the solution then? Should civilized countries keep a permanent presence and enforce martial law?

You all really need to get off this ridiculous idea that we're "civilized" countries vs "non-civilized".

It's racist.

It's ignorant.

It's demonstrably false.

It's total bs & it's ridiculous at this point.


To be saying this, especially considering the last 20 months, but of course it's been decades, is honestly delusional. We have some serious issues being honest about what we really are (we, as in "the West"). I realize it's easy to avoid being informed or challenging the way we think of ourselves but guess what? The majority of the world does see it, so continuing this fantasy world where we are "the civilized" may feel good but it doesn't change the actual facts. It's easy but it's not honest.

Israel's and the US' conduct, along with all of the West's coward governments are not civilized. If you really want examples, the list is too long to share but just ask and it will be my pleasure to share. Israel is literally a terrorist state - as is the US btw (I'd like to see the response if any other country in that region did even 1% of what Israel's done).

Fact: Israel was created from terrorism, lots of it. Israel's founders were the actual leaders or members of terrorist organizations. The IDF is LITERALLY the merging of these terrorist organizations (Lehi, Irgun, Haganah). The terrorists became prime ministers, presidents, and Army generals etc. That is a FACT, nothing controversial. They are proud and these terrorists are their heroes.

Refusing to get caught up with well known information and sticking to the fantasy stories made up for Western audiences isn't going to do much good because this stuff is not obscure - it's well known. We could be here all night.

But it's completely detached from reality to claim we're "civilized". You haven't been paying any attention to say that, especially now. There is SO MUCH information accessible, tons of stuff openly discussed in hebrew AND English Israeli media that is never mentioned in ours because people can't deal with it and hold on so tight to their fantasy world. It's wild that people are living in some made up reality, like as long as you don't know, no one else out there does. Wild. I don't even know how anyone missing at least half (but it's way more) of the facts can have an informed opinion. I'm not trying to insult anyone but it's just true. Have some curiosity, be a fully informed - not selectively- person to come to the table with a fully informed opinion.

Israel is committing crimes in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and now in Iran.



You can browse through the archive online yourselves... https://www.jta.org/archive

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US & Israel collab.... really civilized stuff.
(full thread on one page: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1934766863504036074.html )

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934766863504036074

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LINK:

Forensic Architecture

forensic-architecture.org

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Get past paywall: https://archive.ph/IaD3X

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Content warning : This is what we've had on our screen EVERY DAY for 20 months.
I dare anyone to try to argue that Israel or we are civilized. You should be watching this shit every day too before saying ANYTHING. I said this in 2023 but I see the same people have buried their heads in the sand - which is cowardly. I've honestly have had enough of this kind of dishonesty.

 

[minutemenX]

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Great factual & complete explanation of what's actually up (especially the second one but both are worth watching if you're as annoyed as I was/am with people just talking out of their asses all over the internet or repeating nonsense on the news).

What deal? The country who has declared the destruction of the other country as their national goal and religious duty should be kept from any nuclear technology as far as possible. Period.

 

[Anna Bijou]

What deal? The country who has declared the destruction of the other country as their national goal and religious duty should be kept from any nuclear technology as far as possible. Period.

No, not period. You're repeating bs. Show me. A real source.

Please watch the video if you're seriously asking me what deal. You're literally describing Israel btw.


I mean, I can find more if you want. You let me know when you find some from Iran's government. Although it wouldn't make the attacks any more legal.. the attack was illegal, period.

Scary threats....?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933856957284151475

Oh look, it's the super civilized (nuclear power) chickenhawk joining another extra civilized (nuclear power) chickenhawk to illegally bomb the "uncivilized" (without any nuclear weapon). (Calling Iran uncivilized is pretty wild) I can't help but feel especially civilized now. Trump and Bibi should share the Nobel!
----- btw You should watch "The Bibi files". I think it's available on vimeo. Really, great guys, these two. -----

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936593796193571307

At this point, we're way passed the point when we can safely conclude anyone defending Israel has no red line and will absolutely defend any atrocity without exception. Which is fine if we're honest about it. But there's no moral argument to be made for each new crime you're going to defend. The moral argument only works if there's a line beyond which you can't continue to support. Without any red line, arguing on morality doesn't work because it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, it's very clear who the psycho regimes are. Maybe some uncivilized countries will save the Americans from Trump with a regime change. That would be really generous. Good night, this is all so dumb.

yup.

 

[CaptRenault]

The U.S. has attacked 3 of Iran's major nuclear sites. In case you are still wondering why, here is a good explanation.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/iran-is-down-but-not-yet-out-nuclear-development-program-tehran-915d683d?st=P66SbK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

As Israel’s mission to destroy Iran’s nuclear capacity continues, a grave and obvious question confronts us: How did the West, the U.S. in particular, allow Tehran’s nuclear threat to grow unchecked for so long?

David Albright, an American physicist and nuclear-weapons tracker, is among the world’s foremost experts on Iran’s nuclear program. He’s president of the Institute for Science and International Security, a nonprofit, nonpartisan institution that focuses on the spread of nuclear weapons to rogue nations and terrorists. On June 12, the day before the first Israeli attack, Iran could “make enough weapon-grade uranium for 11 nuclear weapons within a month,” Mr. Albright says. Pre-attack Iran was on track to have enough highly enriched uranium for 22 weapons in five months.

Israel’s continued pounding of Iranian sites has degraded Iran’s capabilities. But the damage’s extent will take many days to establish, and the threat from Iran isn’t remotely contained. Mr. Albright’s “worst-case assessment” is that Iran could “still break out and produce enough weapon-grade uranium at Fordow”—the clandestine enrichment facility deep under a mountain south of Tehran—“for a nuclear weapon in several days. I do not know how much of the current stock of 60% uranium has been destroyed by Israel. If most of it is still in Iranian hands, then Fordow could make enough weapon-grade uranium for nine nuclear weapons within a month, assuming it continues to operate.”

Iran could still have enough for 15 weapons in five months. But there’s also some reassurance: Iran’s “overall breakout capability,” he says, “has been degraded because of the loss of Natanz,” its largest enrichment facility, which Israel struck on June 13.
Mr. Albright offers a quick lesson in nuclear science: For uranium to be weapon-grade, it must be enriched to 90%. “Enrichment is a complicated process,” he explains. “If you start with natural uranium and enrich it to 5%, where you’re not even close to 90%, that’s actually 70% of the enrichment effort.” The math, on its face, is misleading. “When you’re at 60%, it may look like you’re 30% short on percentage, but you’re actually 99% of the way in terms of enrichment effort.” In other words, 60% enrichment is only a hair’s breadth from weapon grade—and Iran’s program is brimful with this near-weapon-grade uranium.
On May 31, the International Atomic Energy Agency published a damning report that revealed Iran had amassed 900.8 pounds of uranium enriched up to 60%. On June 12, the IAEA’s board of governors passed a resolution holding Iran in violation of its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty. An incensed Iran vowed to accelerate its nuclear program. “I think the Iranians expected that the Europeans and the U.S. would react as they’ve always reacted,” Mr Albright says. “ ‘Oh, we’re very worried. We need to sit down and talk about this. We need to negotiate.’ ”
But Iran “didn’t understand Donald Trump, and how nervous the Israelis really were. There are many criticisms of [Benjamin] Netanyahu, but on the Iran nuclear issue, he’s speaking for the nation.” Taking the Iranian threat of escalation at its word, Israel launched its first strikes the next day, bombing nuclear installations and killing nine of Iran’s top scientists.

Those attacks have “made it more difficult for Iran to build a nuclear weapon itself,” Mr. Albright says. “The weaponeer elite has been eliminated.” These were scientists and engineers, not policymakers: “They took out Iran’s Oppenheimers.”
One of those killed was Fereydoon Abbasi-Davani, who warned in an interview last month that Iran could deploy nukes against “the U.S., England and the Zionist regime” by means other than missiles and aircraft. “What if they are attacked from within?” he asked, suggesting a resort to unconventional means, or through terrorist proxies.

Scientists like Abbasi-Davani can “be replaced over time,” Mr. Albright allows. Iran and its military have “a very robust engineering and scientific training program.” But in the short term, their elimination is “devastating.” Iran hasn’t yet recovered from the death of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh. Shot by Israel in November 2020, he was “the Leslie Groves of the Iranian nuclear program.” (Groves was director of the Manhattan Project.) “Fakhrizadeh’s successors haven’t been quite as good. So these killings are a huge disruption to the task of pulling a bomb program together.”
Mr. Albright, 73, has been in the business of nuclear nonproliferation since he was in his early 30s. He worked in the late 1980s to end Brazil’s secret nuclear-weapons program and in the early 1990s with the African National Congress as it prepared to lead the South African government to ensure it would oppose any resurrection of its apartheid predecessor’s dismantled nuclear-weapons program. He was a weapons inspector for the IAEA in Iraq in 1991 and founded the Institute for Science and International Security in 1993. The institute calls itself “the good ISIS” to distinguish itself from Islamic State: “We had the acronym first, and are determined to keep it.”

Mr. Albright’s reputation as an expert on the Iranian nuclear program dates back to ISIS’s seminal work in 2002. “An Iranian opposition group first identified a nuclear site near the city of Natanz but called it a fuel fabrication plant. Corey Hinderstein, one of my staffers, systematically searched satellite imagery covering the area around Natanz and found the site. I then identified it as a centrifuge enrichment plant.” That’s how the IAEA learned of the site. “I’ll tell you, we were very proud we found Natanz,” Mr. Albright says.
To understand Iran’s nuclear program and American neglect for the problem requires a study of history. Iran has had a nuclear weapons program since the 1980s. “It lived next to a very dangerous neighbor, Iraq, governed by Saddam Hussein, who had invaded them, and they were really unprepared. It led to a million Iranians dying in that war,” Mr. Albright says. The nuclear program “came out of that, but over time it evolved to focus mostly on Israel and the U.S.”
Initially “slow moving,” it became a “crash program” called AMAD in the early 2000s, under Fakhrizadeh’s leadership. When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, the Iranians—fearful that they might be next—“decided to end that particular crash program. They were under a lot of scrutiny.” The Natanz plant had been uncovered, and the IAEA was breathing down Tehran’s neck.

And so, Mr. Albright says, Iran made a display of formally shutting down AMAD. “They also weren’t ready to make the bomb, because they didn’t have any weapon-grade uranium and were years away from being able to make it.” Yet far from ceasing their nuclear pursuit, “they continued it in a more camouflaged manner, shifting from a decision to build nuclear weapons to a decision to prepare themselves to build them if the leadership ordered them to do so.” They focused heavily on enrichment and embarked on the clandestine Al-Ghadir project—the plant known as Fordow today.
The U.S. intelligence community eagerly accepted this deception. As a National Intelligence Estimate put it in November 2007: “We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” The Iranians, “loved it,” Mr. Albright says of that assessment. “They loved to be able to trumpet that the U.S. intelligence thinks the program stopped and hasn’t been restarted. The U.S. intelligence would, like parrots, say that year after year after year.”

The most recent iteration of this dogma came this March, when Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified to Congress that the intelligence community “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader [Ali] Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear program he suspended in 2003.”

Mr. Albright scoffs. “U.S. intelligence assessments on the Iranian program have suffered from some serious analytical problems,” he says, “and I think it was a hangover from the total screw-up on the Iraqi WMD.” The essential mistake in Ms. Gabbard’s assessment is “not to take into account that Iran’s nuclear weapons program isn’t a traditional one.” The AMAD plan “shifted under pressure to a different type of nuclear weapons program, one focused on making progress while not needing an order from Khamenei to work on nuclear weapons. The U.S. intelligence model is like the on-off switch of a light, unlike the more nuanced program Iran has created.”

It astonishes Mr. Albright that this delusion persists even after the daring theft of an Iranian nuclear archive by the Israelis in 2018. This intelligence trove revealed the full extent of Iran’s nuclear deception. The archive was stolen while the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action—the Obama administration’s deal that offered sanctions relief in exchange for limits on Iran’s nuclear activity—was still in force. (President Trump pulled out of the deal in May 2018.)

The Obama administration’s “Iran mantra,” Mr. Albright says, was the following: “ ‘They had a nuclear weapons program long ago. They haven’t had one since. Why do we care about that old program?’ ” In the three years when the deal was in force, the “pressure on Iran stopped. The sanctions were becoming unbearable, so they agreed to cut back their program for 10 years, after which they could rebuild the whole thing again.” This three-year hiatus “galvanized the Israelis,” who abhorred the Obama deal, into much more activity. But they had to be careful, because the deal was sanctified by the United States government.”

For one thing, Israel refrained from targeting Iranian scientists. “That would’ve been seen as crossing a red line.” What the Israelis did, instead, was try to uncover information. “That’s what led them to seize the nuclear archive in Iran and then publicize it.”

Mr. Albright was critical of the Obama deal. “The IAEA, whose work on Iran was indispensable, were basically told, ‘Shut up.’ They were thrown under the bus by the administration. There was a mindset that you never challenge Iran.” Tehran “would cheat at the margins. And collectively, lots of little cheating amounts to bigger cheating. Nothing was done about it during the Obama administration.”

The Iranians “lulled the U.S. intelligence community into a false sense of complacency. Iran has gone from not being able to make weapon-grade uranium at the end of the AMAD plan to being able to make it in days. Iran has gotten so close to making nuclear weapons that we may no longer be able to discern between Iran preparing to build a nuclear weapon and it actually doing so.”

That’s why the Israelis struck now, Mr. Albright believes. “Iran has done this preparatory work for more than 20 years since AMAD. Are they building the bomb, or just preparing more? Israel decided that they could no longer tell that a decision hadn’t been made. ‘We are not God,’ they said. ‘We can’t see everything.’ ” The Jewish state’s existence had become dependent on detecting a decision to build a bomb by theocrats who threaten Israel’s destruction on a daily basis.

Can Israel achieve its military objectives without American armed intervention? “It can,” Mr. Albright says, “but it will require time.” He counsels the setting of reasonable goals. “A realistic goal is to ensure that Iran will need six months to one year to break out and produce enough weapon-grade uranium for a nuclear weapon.” That would require making Fordow inoperative, something Israel could do on its own. “It will need to eliminate as much of the undeployed centrifuges and enriched uranium stocks as possible.”

A parallel goal is to lengthen the time Iran would need to build the nuclear weapon itself. “Pre-attack, it was less than six months and shortening,” Mr. Albright says. The destruction of Iran’s weaponization capabilities is well under way. “Israel has targeted the weapons elite and destroyed many of the facilities associated with the nuclear-weapons program.” Israel eliminated the Isfahan nuclear site, a key location where weapon-grade uranium could be converted into the metal form necessary to make the explosive core of a weapon.

How to destroy Fordow if Mr. Trump declines to bomb it with Massive Ordnance Penetrators? “Israel may have to risk a commando raid,” Mr. Albright says. “They may have to just settle for shutting the electricity, closing the tunnel entrances, knocking out the ventilation shaft that comes up from the deeply buried hall to keep it inoperable.” If Iran rebuilds, they can hit it again—and again. “But for how long?” he asks. “Is this going to be a perpetual war?”

“Ultimately, you do have to hope that the regime changes.”

 

[Halloween Mike]

I mean, I can find more if you want. You let me know when you find some from Iran's government.

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He IS litterally like Hitler. Only difference is there is no more to "purge" in his country and he does not have the military capabilities to do what Hitler did. Israel gov do not claim to want the death of Iranians civilians, they want the death of an horrible dictator monster.

Reading this baffles me to a level that you have no idea. You just spewing the same nonsense of the woke left activist with their "ist" and "phobes". You are aware women have no rights over there? Can't go out without your "husband", must be dress like a ghost in black, can't sing, can't talk, can't educate yourself properly, and doing the work you do (or done if you retired) would get you stoned to death in an instant. You think this horrendous regime is "civilized"? Hey Canada is not perfect, and the US even less (too many gun for once) but at the very least peoples of every race, gender and else have rights. Everybody can live normally.

I get it, you hate Israel. You fallen to the propaganda of the extreme left activism and ok, but defending a terror regime is so wrong. I actually replied to a tweet of the IDF the other day that they need to control their soldiers in Gaza especially during distribution center gathering. Yes war is ugly and Hamas will use every opportunities to get civilians kill (because its the fuel to their propaganda and rallying what we call "useful ...ignorant peoples" to stay polite. But 50 peoples dying in aid distribution is really too much and wrong. Better measures need to be put in places.

That said if you think the war on Gaza is totally wrong then i don't know what to tell you but that you are wrong. Gaza was (still is) infected with radicalizing terrorist mentality and is still control by a terrorist organization. Israel tolerated that until they did what they did. Now a clean up had to be done. Sadly it seem so few of the civilians want to help and the terrorists do everything they can to endanger ANY civilians including children. I saw a video of a Gazans taunting the IDF to shoot his kid as that poor kid was too young to understand any concept of what the father was yelling. He was just walking around with a flag thinking it was a play likely. But the dad keep repeating at the soldier to shoot him. He would had use that as propaganda. Of course IDF did nothing.

You all really need to get off this ridiculous idea that we're "civilized" countries vs "non-civilized".

It's racist.

It's ignorant.

It's demonstrably false.

It's total bs & it's ridiculous at this point.

 

[Halloween Mike]

And about 1948. This happened long before we existed either you and i. We can't have all informations. But we can interprete the big lines. When Israel was founded trough the british mandate, it was immediately attacked by 3 Arab nations. Obviously Israel replied and then atrocities happened. This is when you (or peoples like you) will pull out the video of these old soldiers recalling the horrible things they done. I find this terrible as anyone. But you have to return in context. This was a few years after the biggest most horrible war of the modern era. A war where the peoples that suffered the most were these Jews.

Are you aware that durinng WW2 EVERY military commited atrocities? Brits, US, German, USSR, all commited rapes and massacre. I read an article about a German soldier, where he was against this completely but was "forced" to do it otherwise he would get killed by his own camp. WAR IS UGLY and it was even worst back then. I wish there was none. But there is always some monsters that have to start it.

Why Iran can't just live in their country and not bother anyone else? Why Iran had to fund proxies to always attack Israel? Or even militias in Irak to attack US troops. This Iran regime is a cancer. And it seem more civlians actually want it out than in Afghanistan. I can't say for sure the outcome, but i wish Iran could go back to what it once was. Before this regime.

 

[hankiepankie]

Why Iran can't just live in their country and not bother anyone else?

Ah yes, if only Iran could be more like the United States and just live in their country and not bother anyone else....

Do you even hear yourself?

 

[EagerBeaver]

The U.S. has attacked 3 of Iran's major nuclear sites.

Bunker busting bombs were unleashed on these sites. These are hidden underground facilities used to enrich uranium. The Iranians were told it was contained strikes and no further military actions were planned.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

The stupidity has gone a notch further. I cant wait to see the reactions from other nations where, they all know this is another war started on a bunch of lies that is only believe by fanatics like MAGA and Israelis Netanyaou clans. Blind followers and Brown noses.

 

[hankiepankie]

The stupidity has gone a notch further. I cant wait to see the reactions from other nations where, they all know this is another war started on a bunch of lies that is only believe by fanatics like MAGA and Israelis Netanyaou clans. Blind followers and Brown noses.

The support for this war is very bi-partisan, like everything else that has anything to do with Israel. No one from DNC leadership has spoken out against it. Some even went after Trump for not supporting Israel aggressively enough.

On the other hand, opposition to it seems to also be pretty bi-partisan but on a much smaller scale. Bernie, AOC and the likes have spoken out against it along with GOP and MAGA figures like MTG, Thomas Massie and Rand Paul.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The stupidity has gone a notch further. I cant wait to see the reactions from other nations where, they all know this is another war started on a bunch of lies that is only believe by fanatics like MAGA and Israelis Netanyaou clans. Blind followers and Brown noses.

So you believe we should just let Iran, a country which funds numerous terrorist proxies ((Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc.) just enrich uranium in unfettered fashion, and in huge stockpiles not necessary for any legitimate non-weaponizing purpose, while publicly stating that "Death" must come to the USA and Israel (as does their proxies)? What part of that belief is even remotely rational?