Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[Lunaseraphim]

C’est sûrement plus généralisé que ce qu’on veut bien admettre

Oui on essaie de faire allusion à ça mais je pense aussi que ça n'a pas toujours été comme ça, le marché change, les patrons changent etc. Je pense qu'il y a sûrement des endroits pires que d'autres. Vous pouvez voir des indépendantes, mais plusieurs d'entre vous ne voulez pas le faire.

Sinon je pense que la clientèle à plus de pouvoir qu'elle ne le pense et peut influencer l'industrie. Les exigences parfois très intenses des clients influencent l'industrie surtout si le marché est saturé et qu'on est en pleine crise économique

Je veux être claire.. Moi je ne suis pas ici pour défendre ma cause. J'ai assez de business et les agences ne me posent pas de problème financièrement, je ne me sens pas en compétition avec les filles d'agences, car la plupart du temps nous avons une clientèle différente. C'est plus pour le bien être des filles dans l'industrie que je me prononce et je parle de réduction des méfaits et de respect. Je ne parle pas d'abolition ou d'interdiction de quoi que ce soit, et je ne souhaites pas dire aux clients quoi faire avec leur argent.

 

[sin]

Je ne veux surtout pas défendre XO ou toutes autres agences mais, ce point ne semble pas avoir été prouvé. Si ça avait été le cas, l’agence aurait été fermée ipso facto et des poursuites entamées.

Ça me semble être un cas de dénonciation, où, après enquête, on a rien trouvé comme preuve. Mais l’article le mentionne uniquement dans un but sensationnaliste. Je peux me tromper mais, il n’y a pas de trace d’un procès dans ce sens.

Si la victime (mineure) ne veut pas témoigner, je doute que le DPCP dépose des accusations. Ça ne veut pas dire que la police n'a pas de preuves, mais plutôt que le DPCP juge qu'elles sont insuffisantes. Ça arrive fréquemment. Combien de clubs de danseuses ont été fermés temporairement par la Régie pour avoir employé une mineure sans que des accusations criminelles ne soient portées ?

 

[eigames]

I didnt know about the Fee structure, I knew they would take a cut but 28-30% seems high. Means some Girls making less that 180$/hr, and Article referenced 12 app/day, I never thought it would be more than 4 even 6. I know its not 60min of action but that is still an effort, get cleaned up and ready again shortly after.

I want to add I always bring a gift(new boots or sex toys or jewelry for the girls) and was always so shocked by their appreciation , now I see why since for Most it’s worth 50% of what they got paid.

 

[EagerBeaver]

What the fuck has taxes got to do with LE cracking down on XO and perhaps going after their clients which they could easily do according to Canadian law.
You keep injecting irrelevant nonsense and USA law that nobody gives a shit about, no I didn’t take a bar exam and if I want advice from a lawyer I would pick one that lives here.

You don’t see us posting about SP In New England or how the law applies to them because we know nothing about it like you know nothing about Montreal as it is for the past 7-8 years.
Point is you haven’t been in Montreal in ages and you don’t have a fucking clue as to how agencies and independents operate today or how LE does.
We actually have former XO ladies and current Indy’s opinions and comments which are far more valuable.

I think you completely missed the point of my post but since this is nothing but a personal attack it's pointless to respond.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Si la victime (mineure) ne veut pas témoigner, je doute que le DPCP dépose des accusations. Ça ne veut pas dire que la police n'a pas de preuves, mais plutôt que le DPCP juge qu'elles sont insuffisantes. Ça arrive fréquemment.

Nuance importante que plusieurs non-spécialistes (dont moi) oublient souvent. Merci. En d'autres termes, le DPCP doit avoir la conviction morale qu'un juge ou un jury pourrait raisonnablement en venir à une déclaration de culpabilité, hors de tout doute raisonnable, selon la preuve présentée.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Plenty of unethical things are legal and things that are ethical are illegal for instance possessing weed was illegal until a few years ago. For me, legal doesn't necessarily means ethical.

You are absolutely right! Ethics is a branch of philosophy that studies moral principles, defining what is right or wrong, good or harmful, to guide human behavior. It goes beyond personal preferences to focus on universal fairness, values and responsibility, particularly in specific areas such as bioethics or business. Ethics should influence and guide lawmakers in their work and not the reverse.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Nuance importante que plusieurs non-spécialistes (dont moi) oublient souvent. Merci. En d'autres termes, le DPCP doit avoir la conviction morale qu'un juge ou un jury pourrait raisonnablement en venir à une déclaration de culpabilité, hors de tout doute raisonnable, selon la preuve présentée.

et si la victime refuse de témoigner... c'est presque impossible de produire une preuve hors de tout doute raisonnable. On le voit régulièrement dans les cas de violence conjugale... la victime retire sa plainte (souvent par crainte de représailles) et tout recommence.

 

[LC18]

What happened to the units they were renting? The landlord cancelled the leases?

Also, you kind of have to be naive if you think having men coming in and out of your unit every 60 mins or so won’t bring attention

Personally if my neighbour’s door was basically a swinging door because of the traffic, I would assume they’re dealing drug

 

[Fradi]

I think you completely missed the point of my post but since this is nothing but a personal attack it's pointless to respond.

There is nothing personal about it.
You have relevant and good comments in other threads, but not this one as simple as that because you have not been to Montreal in ages and can’t know what is going on and definitely not like SP that worked for XO and working Indy’s that post here.

What happened 20 years ago is nice to remember especially pleasant memories but it usually doesn’t represent or have any bearing on current situations.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

What happened to the units they were renting? The landlord cancelled the leases?

L'article mentionne ceci. "selon nos informations, au moins deux immeubles utilisés pour la commission des crimes allégués font l’objet d’une ordonnance de blocage."
En tant que non-spécialiste, je vais me garder de spéculer (pour une fois!)

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

et si la victime refuse de témoigner... c'est presque impossible de produire une preuve hors de tout doute raisonnable. On le voit régulièrement dans les cas de violence conjugale... la victime retire sa plainte (souvent par crainte de représailles) et tout recommence.

Et ce que peu de gens comprennent aussi, est que le standard de preuve élevé (hors de tout doute raisonnable) existe pour minimiser les risques d'envoyer des gens innocents en prison!

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Et ce que peu de gens comprennent aussi, est que le standard de preuve élevé (hors de tout doute raisonnable) existe pour minimiser les risques d'envoyer des gens innocents en prison!

et j'ajouterais... plus tu as d'argent pour te payer un ou des bons avocats, plus ta présomption d'innocence prendra de l'importance... Mais c'est une autre question qui déborde le cadre de la discussion originale. La Justice nous déçoit souvent. rien n'est parfait ici-bas...

 

[LeDodo]

What happened to the units they were renting? The landlord cancelled the leases?

Also, you kind of have to be naive if you think having men coming in and out of your unit every 60 mins or so won’t bring attention

Personally if my neighbour’s door was basically a swinging door because of the traffic, I would assume they’re dealing drug

I always wondered if agencies condo are rented or part of their business model where they accumulate wealth to invest it / or use their primary business as funding for alternative investments.

I did a little research on this case and didn't find any property assets seizure by LE.
Because usually if there are assets proven to be linked to criminal activity, it can be permanently forfeited and then auctioned off or otherwise disposed of, with proceeds often going to the government or specific funds.

It leads to specific government ran auction where you could bid for properties and cars (for the most interesting ones) that belonged to these organizations.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

I always wondered if agencies condo are rented or part of their business model where they accumulate wealth to invest it / or use their primary business as funding for alternative investments.

I did a little research on this case and didn't find any property assets seizure by LE.
Because usually if there are assets proven to be linked to criminal activity, it can be permanently forfeited and then auctioned off or otherwise disposed of, with proceeds often going to the government or specific funds.

They probably just rent so they can leave and move as needed.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

From what I hear they are rented. A lot of buildings downtown have agency or indy incalls or both. These buildings are owned by companies that are mostly interested in profit and won't really get involved unless there is a serious problem. I think that a lot of these buildings have companies, Airbnb's and mostly absent professionals living there.

That being said incalls shared by indies don't have people coming and going from morning to night usually.

It's a bit surprising to me that these agencies don't move units for years. If it's the case it seems highly negligent and risky for everyone involved..

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

I always wondered if agencies condo are rented or part of their business model where they accumulate wealth to invest it / or use their primary business as funding for alternative investments

They are rented. To add yet another complexity to this case, landlords have an obligation to take reasonable steps to prevent criminal activity from taking place on their rented properties. Also, typically, when one signs a lease, they agree not to use the premises for criminal activity.

 

[hob12]

et si la victime refuse de témoigner... c'est presque impossible de produire une preuve hors de tout doute raisonnable. On le voit régulièrement dans les cas de violence conjugale... la victime retire sa plainte (souvent par crainte de représailles) et tout recommence.

C'est l'État qui décide de poursuivre au criminel au Canada. Peu importe ce que la victime fait.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

That being said, it's a bit surprising to me that these agencies don't move units for years. If it's the case it seems highly negligent and risky for everyone involved..

I wonder too why they don't move at least once a year since the volume of client is high and noticeable. It's not like they accumulate a lot of furniture.

 

[hob12]

Once I went to an incall building and I passed in front of an appt I know was used as an incall and I could hear the moaning very loudly lol.

 

[Smokemeal2]

I think most of us would agree with everything you said , however Capt is correct that there is no such thing as ethically paying for sex especially when it is against the law.

True, it's not that ethical... But it is surely physical

It's not ethical, but we do it. We do it because we are alive.

Today at the dog park, a very cute girl entered. Fit yoga pants. My dog went to see her. Lick her hands, face. Smelled her but and vagina... Damn, he can deliberately do things I have to pay for!