Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[davydream52]

You guys were smart enough to use burners, Right? Right?

I still think agency (in Canada) still safer than independents. The independents have your actual information as part of verification; one can only trust one don’t get extorted by an independent.

Just as there are agencies that have lines they don’t cross (which XO at some point allegedly decide to cross), same go for independents.

At one point I wasn't using burner when I started. Are they going to come after the clients now if needed seemingly they can easily track who's who.

 

[johnnuckfan]

If I’m understanding correctly, you won’t use a Montreal agency because you had a bad experience with one in Alberta?

From my experience, owners like James at Euphoria and even the folks at Vogue when I used them were incredible, and their girls spoke highly of them.

If a restaurant I visited in Vancouver treated its staff poorly, I wouldn’t not go to a restaurant in Montreal. The two agencies I mentioned are stellar and I doubt anyone would allege the types of abuses you’re concerned about. And I’m not at all suggesting those abuses don’t happen in Quebec, really just putting your mind at ease with those two legendary agencies to counter any gross generalizations.

I don’t generally agree with the whole idea behind agencies to begin with. I don’t have enough reason to believe the women who work there have complete control and agency over their bodily autonomy. This is an ethical choice for me.

 

[Verbal Kint]

At one point I wasn't using burner when I started. Are they going to come after the clients now if needed seemingly they can easily track who's who.

Who really knows?
If they did surveillance, they have pictures as well.
If you're doing something that is illegal, and they really wanna get you.
They will!
I personally don't think they will go after the clients, But i'm not 100% sure.
Unless it's the only way they can squeeze you.

Truth is tourism is tourism. And Tourism brings money.
Same with drugs...
If you scare everyone out of the business, they loose money.
Now, who wants that?

 

[RobertNYC]

At one point I wasn't using burner when I started. Are they going to come after the clients now if needed seemingly they can easily track who's who.

Come after the clients for what? Meeting up with a girl?

 

[davydream52]

Who really knows?
If they did surveillance, they have pictures as well.
If you're doing something that is illegal, and they really wanna get you.
They will!
I personally don't think they will go after the clients, But i'm not 100% sure.
Unless it's the only way they can squeeze you.

Truth is tourism is tourism. And Tourism brings money.
Same with drugs...
If you scare everyone out of the business, they loose money.
Now, who wants that?

Well that sucks though. I understand these agencies keeping numbers for blacklisting but keeping a whitelist is definitely not good. You would think they would just keep what they only need running a business like that.

 

[RobertNYC]

Who really knows?
If they did surveillance, they have pictures as well.
If you're doing something that is illegal, and they really wanna get you.
They will!
I personally don't think they will go after the clients, But i'm not 100% sure.
Unless it's the only way they can squeeze you.

Truth is tourism is tourism. And Tourism brings money.
Same with drugs...
If you scare everyone out of the business, they loose money.
Now, who wants that?

Squeeze you for what? Whether the owners of XO were operating an escort agency?

Well, the owners still have their website up shouting that’s exactly what they do, they’re in the escort services business.

Nobody gives a rats ass about the clients, and it’s quite likely XO is out of the Montreal escort news next week. In the US these types of stories can be reported on monthly.

A bust in Massachusetts is one of the only times I’ve seen clients names released, and one look at the government of Boston and across the state tells you all you need to know.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I don’t generally agree with the whole idea behind agencies to begin with. I don’t have enough reason to believe the women who work there have complete control and agency over their bodily autonomy. This is an ethical choice for me.

There are very legit reasons why some women choose to work for agencies or massage parlors, for instance they don't have to do a bunch of advertising, the work place is offered to them, etc. I'm not here to insult the choices of ppl who work for these types of places.. It just would be cool if ALL of these business owners treated their employees well, that's all.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Well that sucks though. I understand these agencies keeping numbers for blacklisting but keeping a whitelist is definitely not good. You would think they would just keep what they only need running a business like that.

The pizza place I used to order from, had my adress, and what I ordered last time I called, as soon as I gave them my phone number.
I hate myself for saying this: Data is Knowledge and Knowledge is power.
I was not refering to the agencies, practices but to law enforcement.
I don't know what agencies keep or don't.
What they should and shouldn't
It's a double edge sword.
The more you keep, the more you know.
But when poops hits the fan, the more the guy doing the perquisition gets to know as well...

 

[LeDodo]

At one point I wasn't using burner when I started. Are they going to come after the clients now if needed seemingly they can easily track who's who.

People need to stop worrying about that.

They don't even know if the number has the same owner from 10 years ago.

LE, legal procedure will press charges for a "purpose". Closing an agency because of minors is a lesson.
Chasing a client? We must stop thinking we are important here.

Even if they press charges against a client, it will be extremely difficult to defend a case of "meeting a girl".

In the extreme case they want to target a specific client, and you are that important to their eyes, they will find a way to get you anyway even with all the precautions you took.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Squeeze you for what? Whether the owners of XO were operating an escort agency?

Well, the owners still have their website up shouting that’s exactly what they do, they’re in the escort services business.

Nobody gives a rats ass about the clients, and it’s quite likely XO is out of the Montreal escort news next week. In the US these types of stories can be reported on monthly.

A bust in Massachusetts is one of the only times I’ve seen clients names released, and one look at the government of Boston and across the state tells you all you need to know.

That is what I think as well.
I'm just refering to Hypotetics
Let's say i'm a high profile criminal but also like to indulge in seing escorts.
Yes they could use it to squeeze me, if it's all they can get.
Like we said yesterday.
Most of the stuff that got thrown at Diddy didn't stick. (Probably the baby oil...)
In the end, it was an old law from 1910 that stuck and got him.

But like you said, I dont think it's their purposes to go after clients.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

People need to stop worrying about that.

They don't even know if the number has the same owner from 10 years ago.

LE, legal procedure will press charges for a "purpose". Closing an agency because of minors is a lesson.
Chasing a client? We must stop thinking we are important here.

Even if they press charges against a client, it will be extremely difficult to defend a case of "meeting a girl".

In the extreme case they want to target a specific client, and you are that important to their eyes, they will find a way to get you anyway even with all the precautions you took.

Yes, that is also what I think. It is way too much trouble for LE to look at every single client. Also, in order to actually punish someone, they have to get somebody's testimony. One of the reasons why I think this will blow over very soon is that a lot of the girls who worked for XO (some of which are people I know) are still in the sex industry and are afraid of getting involved.

I think if they do get some clients, it's because it's been said that they did something abusive to the girls. But even then.. I highly doubt that will happen.

 

[RobertNYC]

That is what I think as well.
I'm just refering to Hypotetics
Let's say i'm a high profile criminal but also like to indulge in seing escorts.
Yes they could use it to squeeze me, if it's all they can get.
Like we said yesterday.
Most of the stuff that got thrown at Diddy didn't stick. (Probably the baby oil...)
In the end, it was an old law from 1910 that stuck and got him.

But like you said, I dont think it's their purposes to go after clients.

Agree. LeDodo just said what I was thinking. If you’re the mark in this investigation, if you’re the guy they want, they’ll come and get you, burner phone or no burner phone. Chances are you had been under surveillance for weeks.

I would go as far as to say if a regular Joe calls up police to turn himself in for being an XO client, the police will laugh and hang up on him and tell him to call back only when he has an emergency. They don’t give a shit.

 

[johnnuckfan]

Agree. LeDodo just said what I was thinking. If you’re the mark in this investigation, if you’re the guy they want, they’ll come and get you, burner phone or no burner phone. Chances are you had been under surveillance for weeks.

I would go as far as to say if a regular Joe calls up police to turn himself in for being an XO client, the police will laugh and hang up on him and tell him to call back only when he has an emergency. They don’t give a shit.

If you look at criminal prosecution cases for any criminal cases against clients, the number of people prosecuted is very low year to year, and in almost every case, some level of human trafficking, or abuse to the sex worker is involved. Arrests for the purchase for consideration is low on most LE’s radar for enforcement unless minors are involved or some form of human trafficking is involved.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

If you look at criminal prosecution cases for any criminal cases against clients, the number of people prosecuted is very low year to year, and in almost every case, some level of human trafficking, or abuse to the sex worker is involved. Arrests for the purchase for consideration is low on most LE’s radar for enforcement unless minors are involved or some form of human trafficking is involved.

I have the official data on arrests. These are police statistics from Statistics Canada.

• In Quebec, in 2024, there were 153 arrests and 133 people were accused of buying sexual services, or communicating for the purposes of buying such services, from an adult. The numbers are rapidly trending upwards: in 2023, it was 66, in 2022: 33, in 2020: 6, for accusations. (1)
• Regarding the same infraction for the sexual services of a minor. There were 25 arrests in 2024, but only 9 were accused. (2)
• To put things in perspective, there were 45,736 arrests for assault in Quebec in 2024. (3)

Analysis: These are very small numbers. The strong upward trend in arrests is notable and likely signals a shift in priorities for law enforcement more than a corresponding increase in the volume of infractions. The even smaller number of arrests for people targeting minors, on the surface, contradicts the usual MERB narrative. However, based on media reports, it is likely that most, if not nearly all of these arrests resulted from rare (and mediatized) sting operations (i.e. they were really targeted). These operations actually do not involve any minors, but rather suspects communicating for the purposes of buying sex from minors in response to decoy ads posted by police. The volume of actual minors engaged in the exchange of sexual services for money is almost certain to be much, much smaller than the volume of adults offering the same services, which would contribute to explain why more people are arrested for buying sexual services from an adult. In addition, as pointed out above, accusations of buying sexual services can arise alongside several other infractions, such as assault or sex assault, that are more often reported to the police.

Edit: to clarify sting operations.

Disclaimer: I am not a criminologist and I may have made mistakes in my interpretation of the data. Please consult the sources below. In addition, the corresponding infractions in the Criminal Code can be found here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-286.1.html

Sources:
1) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/fr/tv.action?pid=3510017701&pickMembers[0]=1.9&pickMembers[1]=2.237&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2020&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2024&referencePeriods=20200101,20240101
2) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/fr/tv.action?pid=3510017701&pickMembers[0]=1.9&pickMembers[1]=2.238&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2020&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2024&referencePeriods=20200101,20240101
3) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/fr/tv.action?pid=3510017701&pickMembers[0]=1.9&pickMembers[1]=2.24&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2020&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2024&referencePeriods=20200101,20240101

 

[jmioffe]

From my experience, owners like James at Euphoria and even the folks at Vogue when I used them were incredible, and their girls spoke highly of them.

I've had positive experiences with Euphoria as well. And XO too. But there are a lot of smoke and mirrors in this business. Heck, we pay for those smoke and mirrors to believe a pretty girl wants to give their love to us.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Il y a eu beaucoup de commentaires qui disent que c'est décriminalisé pour les travailleuses du sexe au Canada, ce qui est faux. Nous sommes immunisées pour la vente de nos propres services sexuels, mais par exemple la sollicitation est punissable.

 

[Smokemeal2]

Is it only me who thinks that to run an agency in Montreal, you need to have a cut for the mob? I wrote earlier about the meaning that agencies have to buy 'security'.

 

[Julia Sky]

I don't think what she said contradicts what you said. She just said that our rates (for those who pay sales taxes) are inclusive of GST/QST. But you don't know since I don't write it on my website.

I thought it was obvious that was what I meant lol. Just the average guy being dumb and projecting his lack of basic understanding on someone else

 

[Julia Sky]

you obviously do not understand what the sale tax is (GST/QST). You charge it on behalf of the government. It has nothing to do with your personal income.

Are you slow, perhaps? You obviously didn't understand what I said. Lmao

Edit : and to be clear, each paragraph was a separate statement. I made a statement about escorts paying income taxes. Then I made an entirely separate statement about the sales tax being factored into our rates. Not my fault you see two paragraphs and assume they're a part of the same point.

 

[CLOUD 500]

One thing I find interesting is XO's site is still active. That does not make sense to me. Would LE not shut down the website?