Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

RobertNYC · Mar 23, 2026

davydream52 said:
They are in a position to pick and choose a subset they believe is easier to criminate which may or may not include the most frequent "loyal" visitors.

As for phone number owners, while cellular companies may not keep the old text and call logs, they do keep the owner information as far as back to eternity these days.

Why would prosecutors go after clients? How would they accurately secure their contact information?

Wireless companies don’t give up data very easily. Prosecutors would need a court order, and even then…. AT&T would likely not relinquish information because Tiffany and Steve met up in a hotel room. You’d need to give them a better reason. For God’s sake, there is controversy about how much data wireless companies were willing to share regarding suspected terrorists.

Maybe because I’ve seen these stories countless times in the US that I don’t share in the paranoia. From a client’s perspective, this is a nothing burger. If you went down to the police station and said, “I’m turning myself in for being an XO client,” they’d probably kick your ass out the door thinking you’re fucking with them. They don’t care.

davydream52 · Mar 23, 2026

RobertNYC said:
Why would prosecutors go after clients? How would they accurately secure their contact information?

Wireless companies don’t give up data very easily. Prosecutors would need a court order, and even then…. AT&T would likely not relinquish information because Tiffany and Steve met up in a hotel room. You’d need to give them a better reason. For God’s sake, there is controversy about how much data wireless companies were willing to share regarding suspected terrorists.

> How would they accurately secure their contact information? If they have the court order that is good enough for the cellular companies give up all information they have available on listed numbers. The case hasn't been completed yet, I don't think it has even gone to trial yet so who's to say they won't try to obtain a court order in the future?

CLOUD 500 · Mar 23, 2026

RobertNYC said:
Why would you expect the site to be down? The agency is likely saying they’re engaged in no wrong doing, and Xo attorneys aren’t suggesting to take it down.

LE probably doesn’t have authority to take it down, and if it’s hosted overseas….good luck.

It makes sense to take it down no? They are being charged with pimping. Still to be proven in court. I suspect they just do not got the authority to do it, the website may even have a password. XO uses a .com domain which is hosted in the US.

RobertNYC · Mar 23, 2026

davydream52 said:
> How would they accurately secure their contact information? If they have the court order that is good enough for the cellular companies give up all information they have available on listed numbers. The case hasn't been completed yet, I don't think it has even gone to trial yet so who's to say they won't try to obtain a court order in the future?

A court order for two people meeting up in a hotel room? Maybe in Tehran they’d get a court order….

RobertNYC · Mar 23, 2026

CLOUD 500 said:
It makes sense to take it down no? They are being charged with pimping. Still to be proven in court. I suspect they just do not got the authority to do it, the website may even have a password. XO uses a .com domain which is hosted in the US.

XO could take the site down if they wanted, but if I believed I was innocent I wouldn’t. This could also be a fuck you to the prosecutors.

Like I said, this is yesterday’s news next week at this time.

LeDodo · Mar 23, 2026

CLOUD 500 said:
I know and that is a bad practise. They are not doing clients any favors. I hardly use escorts either way and I will just skip it for a long time till they get their act together and delete the texts and numbers.

And how are they going to prove you they deleted the texts and messages so that you'll be convinced?

davydream52 · Mar 23, 2026

LeDodo said:
And how are they going to prove you they deleted the texts and messages so that you'll be convinced?

Agencies don't delete texts and your number if you contacted them in the past. There is no way to convince but there are enough clues that they infact do not delete.

CLOUD 500 · Mar 23, 2026

LeDodo said:
And how are they going to prove you they deleted the texts and messages so that you'll be convinced?

There is nothing they can do I guess.

Halloween Mike · Mar 23, 2026

hobbyvil said:
so Maya's angel website is down and they stopped posting on merb on Feb 16.... .in link with this story or is it the next story to come out??

Maya's has not been very consistent for a while. They didn't post daily, their website had SPs who had not worked for months. I often saw "Maya's providers" advertise on LL as indies. I don't personally think it has anything to do with the recent situation in this thread. More simply that this "agency" had other issues. It started out as a massage parlor, then became an incall agency, but they were charging the prices of indies and many of their providers were offering safe services only. I assume they were not rolling on cash and bookings like other agencies. So its possible they simply decided to shut down. For instance you can find Selena on LL today.

Verbal Kint · Mar 23, 2026

johnnuckfan said:
Alright lets break this down…

For starters, how many 18-25 year old men have the money to access this service? Given today’s rates, i don’t see many active particpants, so lets say this was true, the government/police crack down to take away maybe 0.5% of that age group from accessing sex work? It’s bonkers to me.

Especially since you mentioned “young, horny, underemployed, underpaid and undersexed young men”. These men arent affording sex work services

It is Bonkers to me as well.
This is revenue for the governement. They will not admit it, it's not a good political vue to do so.
But they did the same thing with heroin in the States during the Vietnam war.
Hell, Canada did the same thing with opium during the Afghan war.
We don't hear about it. It is kept on the down low.
They won't win those wars, so they choose to profit from it.

In my opinion. You keep humans frustrated sexually for long enough, I am convinced, bad shit will go down.
Who's the philosopher that was saying he could end wars with blowjobs... (I'm paraphrasing.)

Sw also, I beleive helps keep sexual crime in check to some degree.
Yes it creates another set of issues.
Yes they are also exposed to violence or sexual crimes.
I think, this is where LE is trying to crack down on.
And this is the right place to put ressources into.

Giselle Montreal · Mar 23, 2026

Verbal Kint said:
Sw also, I beleive helps keep sexual crime in check to some degree.

This line always upsets me when I read it. What we hear when people say that is that we, sex workers, deserve to see abusers and let them release their frustration on us so that the civil women don't have to.

EagerBeaver · Mar 23, 2026

RobertNYC said:
Why would prosecutors go after clients? How would they accurately secure their contact information?

Wireless companies don’t give up data very easily. Prosecutors would need a court order, and even then…. AT&T would likely not relinquish information because Tiffany and Steve met up in a hotel room. You’d need to give them a better reason. For God’s sake, there is controversy about how much data wireless companies were willing to share regarding suspected terrorists.

Maybe because I’ve seen these stories countless times in the US that I don’t share in the paranoia. From a client’s perspective, this is a nothing burger. If you went down to the police station and said, “I’m turning myself in for being an XO client,” they’d probably kick your ass out the door thinking you’re fucking with them. They don’t care.

Just as an aside I subpoena cellphone records all the time. Unless there is a motion to quash the subpoena asking for a court order stopping it, any private attorney can do it. It's easy and at least here in the USA there is little resistance. Usually I do this in motor vehicle accident cases to prove someone was on a cellphone at the time of the accident. More recently I did it in litigation over an Estate to prove that the defendant made or didn't make certain calls to certain people. Which was an issue in dispute. I subpoenaed both his personal cell and his company phone and got both. If this guy was seeing escorts and I was inclined to sleuth it out I could have done so, but didn't care about that.

It's easy as shit for LE to subpoena cellphone records.

All of this being said I seriously seriously doubt prosecutors would waste time and money doing this to go after clients. It's doable, yes. It's also a huge waste of time, money and resources. And in most cases the evidence wouldn't prove anything.

RobertNYC · Mar 23, 2026

Verbal Kint said:
It is Bonkers to me as well.
This is revenue for the governement. They will not admit it, it's not a good political vue to do so.
But they did the same thing with heroin in the States during the Vietnam war.
Hell, Canada did the same thing with opium during the Afghan war.
We don't hear about it. It is kept on the down low.
They won't win those wars, so they choose to profit from it.

In my opinion. You keep humans frustrated sexually for long enough, I am convinced, bad shit will go down.
Who's the philosopher that was saying he could end wars with blowjobs... (I'm paraphrasing.)

Sw also, I beleive helps keep sexual crime in check to some degree.
Yes it creates another set of issues.
Yes they are also exposed to violence or sexual crimes.
I think, this is where LE is trying to crack down on.
And this is the right place to put ressources into.

A lot of politics and dynamics.

No doubt my new escort friends on here like Luna are correct in many respects, they sometimes endure abuse and degradation.

And I’d also say, to your point, the government doesn’t care. There is a war on men in many respects. Weed legal, but you have crazy politicians trying to outlaw Zyn. Why? Weed makes you passive, Zyn can increase testosterone and clear thinking. Therefore it’s “bad”. You can’t have men with testosterone who think clearly. They’re a threat to corrupt politicians. I’m exaggerating here, but see my point.

Don’t expect the government to do the right thing, for escorts or men.

RobertNYC · Mar 23, 2026

EagerBeaver said:
Just as an aside I subpoena cellphone records all the time. Unless there is a motion to quash the subpoena asking for a court order stopping it, any private attorney can do it. It's easy and at least here in the USA there is little resistance. Usually I do this in motor vehicle accident cases to prove someone was on a cellphone at the time of the accident. More recently I did it in litigation over an Estate to prove that the defendant made or didn't make certain calls to certain people. Which was an issue in dispute. I subpoenaed both his personal cell and his company phone and got both. If this guy was seeing escorts and I was inclined to sleuth it out I could have done so, but didn't care about that.

It's easy as shit for LE to subpoena cellphone records.

All of this being said I seriously seriously doubt prosecutors would waste time and money doing this to go after clients. It's doable, yes. It's also a huge waste of time, money and resources.

Great perspective. Thanks. EB, I think my larger point was, or my question should be, would a court grant a subpoena in a case like this to prove two people actually met up?

Because meeting up is not illegal. That’s a total waste of resources. You’d have to be in the room to prove transaction.

Verbal Kint · Mar 23, 2026

Giselle Montreal said:
This line always upsets me when I read it. What we hear when people say that is that we, sex workers, deserve to see abusers and let them release their frustration on us so that the civil women don't have to.

That is no way, shape or form, what I was trying to Say.
You, as a human being, DO NOT deserve any form of violence regardless of your profession, gender or race!!!

I'm saying you run the risk of being exposed to it.
I'm saying that there is paid services you can consider before dropping a rooffy in a drink...

I hope this clarifies my point of view.

Giselle Montreal · Mar 23, 2026

Verbal Kint said:
That is no way, shape or form, what I was trying to Say.
[...]
I'm saying that there is paid services you can consider before dropping a rooffy in a drink...

I still do not want to see a guy that might have tendencies to drug and abuse women.

No women want to be alone with guys like that.

Abusers should use their hands and that's it.

pilotman1 · Mar 23, 2026

RobertNYC said:
Why would prosecutors go after clients? How would they accurately secure their contact information?

Wireless companies don’t give up data very easily. Prosecutors would need a court order, and even then…. AT&T would likely not relinquish information because Tiffany and Steve met up in a hotel room. You’d need to give them a better reason. For God’s sake, there is controversy about how much data wireless companies were willing to share regarding suspected terrorists.

Maybe because I’ve seen these stories countless times in the US that I don’t share in the paranoia. From a client’s perspective, this is a nothing burger. If you went down to the police station and said, “I’m turning myself in for being an XO client,” they’d probably kick your ass out the door thinking you’re fucking with them. They don’t care.

They will disclose cell phone number ownership data with a warrant (often times only a subpoena is needed). LE can get the contents of the messages from the XO phones they likely seized.

This has been done in the US where the laws are essentially the same: https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2...-hearings-more-alleged-sex-buyers-identified/

Verbal Kint · Mar 23, 2026

Giselle Montreal said:
I still do not want to see a guy that might have tendencies to drug and abuse women.

No women want to be alone with guys like that.

Abusers should use their hands and that's it.

I feel like you want to steer it in a direction I was not aiming for.
No women want to be in a violent relationship either.
It still happens.
We are focussing on the agression, agressor point of view here.
I'm saying what if he sees you, before he becomes one?

I won't pretend that I know your business better then you do.
But i'm sure you've seen abusers before.
You've seen Sociopaths and a whole lot of messed up people, that do exactly what you do, currate their image for the purpose of the encounter.
If you know about it or not, I don't know. But I assume that you are smart enough to stay away from those people, as much as you can.

That is again, in no way, shape or form, the message I was delivering.
If I faulted, please indicate me where.
I kept your point of view in mind, please respect mine as well.

pilotman1 · Mar 23, 2026

RobertNYC said:
Great perspective. Thanks. EB, I think my larger point was, or my question should be, would a court grant a subpoena in a case like this to prove two people actually met up?

Because meeting up is not illegal. That’s a total waste of resources. You’d have to be in the room to prove transaction.

The Canadian law requires only that you "communicated for the purpose" of paying for sex. You don't actually need to do it.

Smokemeal2 · Mar 23, 2026

RobertNYC said:
Why would you expect the site to be down? The agency is likely saying they’re engaged in no wrong doing, and Xo attorneys aren’t suggesting to take it down.

LE probably doesn’t have authority to take it down, and if it’s hosted overseas….good luck.

Within canada many spicy sites and casinos are hosted in Indigenous sovereignty land (native land territory).

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