Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[EagerBeaver]

I suspect it is the reason, this thread is 46 pages long now. People secretly looking if they're in trouble or not. I don't think we are.

I think you are right that the audience on MERB is waiting for the other shoe to drop and a new story on a client being charged as a result of this investigation. I have had a few PMs from board members asking me about this as well. Like you I don't think anyone is in trouble, except the 5 people already charged.

But this fear is driving this thread and makes me once again have to call on Franklin to remind you of this:

 

[LeDodo]

No it doesn’t.
There is no law in asking for an escort for companionship, it is perfectly legal.
They cannot prove you didn’t want a guided tour of Montreal or just a companion for dinner or whatever.
As long as your text doesn’t contain reference to any kind of sexual activity GFE etc… they have nothing.

Well we all know that GFE stands for Good and Funny Encounter !

 

[EagerBeaver]

No it doesn’t.
There is no law in asking for an escort for companionship, it is perfectly legal.
They cannot prove you didn’t want a guided tour of Montreal or just a companion for dinner or whatever.
As long as your text doesn’t contain reference to any kind of sexual activity GFE etc… they have nothing.

100% correct. In fact sexless dates are often booked. The prosecution has to prove you booked the date for sex. If you just booked a date, they have shit.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Why does LE want clients to stop seeing escorts? Like, why now, unless I missed an announcement? And that would mean Independents would be at risk nearly as much as agencies, as LE could watch clients entering even a residence.

I think we’ve all jumped the shark here. Back to regularly scheduled programming. Be safe. Have fun. There’s not a sex cop around every corner waiting with cuffs.

I meant that all I read are clients panicking, I am not! And make clients reflect and end the demand is the goal of our Canadian law. It might not last, but clearly taking down that agency touched a nerve.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

#FaitesVosRecherches

#DoYourHomework

Starting points:

• Criminal Code section 286.1
• What constitutes sufficient evidence to lay a criminal charge
• "Innocent until proven guilty"
• Which standards must be met to secure a criminal conviction
• Reasonable doubt

 

[LeDodo]

I meant that all I read are clients panicking, I am not! And make clients reflect and end the demand is the goal of our Canadian law. It might not last, but clearly taking down that agency touched a nerve.

Is it like the stock market?

When there is a crash and people panicking, there are others steady bunch who benefits from it?

 

[Fradi]

Is it like the stock market?

When there is a crash and people panicking, there are others steady bunch who benefits from it?

I don’t see any benefit in booking with an agency other than price.
I will pay the extra for an Indy I know and trust.

 

[Fradi]

Well we all know that GFE stands for Good and Funny Encounter !

Even if it stands for Girl Friend Experience.
That experience often doesn’t include sex and is the reason SP are booked.

 

[CLOUD 500]

No it doesn’t.
There is no law in asking for an escort for companionship, it is perfectly legal.
They cannot prove you didn’t want a guided tour of Montreal or just a companion for dinner or whatever.
As long as your text doesn’t contain reference to any kind of sexual activity GFE etc… they have nothing.

This is what I found. But you might be right. They have to prove that you sent a text to buy sexual services so if there is nothing explicit then they got no case. Then again I am not a lawyer. Perhaps @EagerBeaver can shed some light in this even from a US perspective.

 

[neverbored]

Wow... leave for a week and come back to the creaziest thread I've ever seen. Its as if circle jerk and dumpster fire collided. Girls were raped, exploited and coerced. I hope they get convicted. Will be an interesting case to follow. Sadly, I don't expect that much of a sentence. They deserve it if true imho.

Why would you expect the site to be down? The agency is likely saying they’re engaged in no wrong doing, and Xo attorneys aren’t suggesting to take it down.

LE probably doesn’t have authority to take it down, and if it’s hosted overseas….good luck.

I'm willing to bet when Sam "retired", new management simply didn't have the credentials to the webhosting. Considerering its just some 4$ cheap hosting and didn't move, they probably didn't have access to the domain name provider. It was renewed in Jan so, a credit card is on file and possibly just autorenewed. Hosting seems to be Eastern European with a "presence" in the US, don't know how compliant they would be.

I suspect new management just had access to the website CMS. Remember when the exodus started, they only removed the english content, and left the french site up. I think they just didn't know how. Probably why they eventually rebranded.

Also, nowadys, IP addresses are a nightmare due to all the public wifi access, people sharing the same external IP really isn't as useful as people think on top of that sites are getting hammered with AI traffic too. So your IP is a needle in a sea of needles. Not saying they can't dig, but like other said, they probably just want to focus on convicting the principals before having to go that route. Cookies, typically don't store on the server, they are created on your device.

Cel phone... that one could be a bitch especially if they can match it with IMEI. With federal and provincial National digital identity systems and INN laws, that could be easier to get details on mobile # owners faster than trying to subpoena a telecom or just pay data brokers directly. That would give them access to banking, legal, medical databases to connect the dots. Even if they don't use it to go after clients, wouldn't be surprised if they don't just ingest the numbers into their framework just like they do with DNA. If it eventually connects to CBA. Any ArriveCan users ?

In the end, after a torturous read, my concern is Merb itself.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It's the harsh truth. We all want to believe the agencies we use or used are behaving responsibly. It's often probably just wishful thinking.

 

[PatHibulaire]

Even if it stands for Girl Friend Experience.
That experience often doesn’t include sex and is the reason SP are booked.

GFE has different meanings for everybody. At first I thought the lady would complain about my poor choice in music and criticize the way I dress . But it turned out much more pleasant so I became addicted.

 

[LeDodo]

It's the harsh truth. We all want to believe the agencies we use or used are behaving responsibly. It's often probably just wishful thinking.

Well I think there is no blanket statement for their operations. With the different ladies sharing we can see that there are an uneven treatment spanning from coercive to "understanding".

 

[RobertNYC]

100% correct. In fact sexless dates are often booked. The prosecution has to prove you booked the date for sex. If you just booked a date,

It's the harsh truth. We all want to believe the agencies we use or used are behaving responsibly. It's often probably just wishful thinking.

Well I think there is no blanket statement for their operations. With the different ladies sharing we can see that there are an uneven treatment spanning from coercive to "understanding".

You’ll never know what goes on inside an agency, but I would also argue you’ll also never know what’s going on inside a family, a marriage or corporate department from the outside. It pays to have our antennae up.

I think we can empathize with those abused and most of us want to eliminate any affront to human dignity as much as we can, especially assault, rape and any other violence within the industry. And we certainly don’t want to patronize the bad actors.

That said, when we start to conflate escort fines, termination etc with violence, I think we’ve jumped the shark. I just saw an excellent co-worker at a major corporation get put on a PIP to build a case to fire him. 23 years as an excellent employee, but they don’t want to pay a big severance. That’s abuse, that’s unfair, unjust, but it goes on all over, sadly. It’s the assault, rape etc we need to pay attention to. I guess what I’m saying is, when we start to throw the smaller infractions in with the big stuff, we dilute the arguments.

Not every agency is abusive. There’s not a sex cop around every Montreal corner. I can tell you I’ve bumped into NJ escorts laughing and walking with friends on the Wildwood boardwalk and in north Jersey restaurants. That gives me comfort and puts mind at ease regarding those agencies.

 

[TheJames101]

What's happening today? Looks like they've all appeared in court this morning, at least for preliminary things. The case number, if you search it - comes up with all the accused.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

What's happening today? Looks like they've all appeared in court this morning, at least for preliminary things. The case number, if you search it - comes up with all the a

There are many such preliminary meetings. It says "orientation". Likely a technicality but I'm no expert. Often the accused won't even be present.

 

[RobertNYC]

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What's happening today? Looks like they've all appeared in court this morning, at least for preliminary things. The case number, if you search it - comes up with all the accused.

Google his defense attorney, Jordan Trevick. It seems as if this attorney has been around the block a few times and part of some high profile cases. That could explain why the XO website is still up (signal no wrongdoing).

This morning seems procedural. I still don’t think this makes it to trial. XO, to me at least, seems like they’re not folding and ready for hardball.

 

[RobertNYC]

There are many such preliminary meetings. It says "orientation". Likely a technicality but I'm no expert. Often the accused won't even be present.

Hoping EB weighs in but it seems exactly as you said

 

[davydream52]

Google his defense attorney, Jordan Trevick. It seems as if this attorney has been around the block a few times and part of some high profile cases. That could explain why the XO website is still up (signal no wrongdoing).

This morning seems procedural. I still don’t think this makes it to trial. XO, to me at least, seems like they’re not folding and ready for hardball.

What do you think the timeline in these cases are?
Usually prosecuters have to follow the Jordan rule of 18 months provincially to present the case so at this point I know prosecuters are hurrying up.

Then as for Johns, assuming they started investigation Spring 2024 and now it is Spring 2026, statute of limitations of summary convictions for first offense is usually 12 months. So, if they want to pursue Johns before Spring of 2025 they will be straight up charged with indictable offense which puts no statute of limitations but I think they will only go after those who are already evidentiary heavy.

 

[EagerBeaver]

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What's happening today? Looks like they've all appeared in court this morning, at least for preliminary things. The case number, if you search it - comes up with all the accused.

The screenshot you posted is similar to what you would see if I screenshotted the case detail in any pending criminal case in CT.

The only thing missing is the plea status. Usually it's coded "awaiting plea" if no plea is entered. Once a plea is entered, if it is not guilty, then a trial date is assigned.

It could be the word "orientation" is being used similarly to how we would use "plea" in English, but I have no idea.