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The suspensions are in:

• Antonio Bastardo, Phillies reliever

• Francisco Cervelli, Yankees catcher (on DL)

• Jordany Valdespin, Mets outfielder (minors)

• Jesus Montero, Mariners catcher (minors)

• Cesar Puello, Mets outfielder (minors)

• Sergio Escalona, Astros pitcher (minors)

• Fernando Martinez, Yankees outfielder (minors)

• Fautino De Los Santos, free-agent pitcher

• Jordan Norberto, free-agent pitcher

• Nelson Cruz, Rangers outfielder

• Everth Cabrera, Padres shortstop

• Jhonny Peralta, Tigers shortstop

• Alex Rodriguez, Yankees third baseman

All of these players other than A-Rod got 50 games. Rodriguez got the rest of this regular season plus the entire 2014 season, which comes up to 211 regular season games.

Personally, i think it's bullshit to give one guy 4 times the amount of what the others got, especially considering he's never once tested positive for PED since testing was officially introduced by MLB. This is the single biggest suspension handed out since the days of the Black Sox scandal in the 1919 world series. I have no doubt that Rodriguez will get his suspension reduced to possibly 50 games by an arbitrator once the appeal process ends in 4-6 weeks from now. I'm not even sure he should get 50 games!
 

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Consider: in three games against the San Diego Padres, who suck, the light hitting Yankees scored a total of 8 run. In three innings against the White Sox, who suck, the pitching poor Yankees allowed 7 runs. Wow. Looks like Pettitte needs to get someone to stick a needle in his ass.

BTW, Doc, my sense is that you're right on the mark on Fraudriguez's suspension being reduced to 50 games.
 

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I didn't see Bill Bukner on that list. he was too ripped and couldn't bend over to field that ground ball.
 

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We had a heart attack in Metland that night

Poor Buckner

He was Jackie Smith that night

"After spending his entire career with the Cardinals, Smith signed with Dallas in 1978. Although the 38-year old Smith was used only as a blocking tight end in the goal line formation and did not catch a pass during the entire season, joining Dallas allowed him to make his only trip to the Super Bowl, which ended up leaving a mark on his career. With his team trailing the Pittsburgh Steelers 21-14 in the third quarter of Super Bowl XIII, Smith dropped a third down pass in the end zone from Roger Staubach. The Cowboys ended up losing the game by four points, 35-31, and Smith retired before the start of the next season "

Best Regards

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Oh I remember that drop. Ouch! He was too open!
 

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I'm wondering if there's anyone here old enough to remember the last time the light hitting Yankees scored more than three runs.
I'm wondering when the twins will crawl out from under their rock and show their faces in this thread again.
 

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On behalf of all Chicago White Sox fans, I'd like to thank the light hitting Yankees for bringing their sorry show to the Midway. Before the light hitting Yanks hit town, it had been weeks since the Pale Hose won two in a row.

A few interesting stats:
Since the long anticipated return of slugging (lol) Curtis Granderson to the lineup, the Yankees have scored 11 runs in 5 games, or 2.2 runs per game.
Since the All Star Break, the light hitting Yankees have scored 48 runs in 17 games, or 2.82 runs per game.
Since the Yankees have hit the skids, the merb Yankee triplets have visited the baseball thread 0 times per day.

This is beyond pitiful.
 

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Hypocrisy of the heard mentality

by Dirk Hayhurst, Sportsnet

Yesterday, someone called me unethical because it made sense to me why Alex Rodriguez, or any baseball player for that matter, would cheat.

My basic argument was, if I could make half a billion dollars over my career by sticking a needle in my ass and, if caught, I’d only have to give back around $30 million of it, I’d do it.

I honestly think a lot of us would. Even though it’s socially acceptable to say we wouldn’t and fashionable to turn those who do into pariahs, we’d do it.

It’s ironic I feel this way since, when I first started playing baseball, I hated cheaters.

They made more money and had more opportunity than I did. I thought it was unfair and, ethically, it was. But the actions of the organization that employed me didn’t seem to reflect my sense of right and wrong.

Cheaters were promoted more often, paid more and re-signed even after they were caught. I was not.

The one thing I shared in common with cheaters, however, was the social scrutiny. We were all baseball commodities that had to perform in order to have any value.

Fail, flounder or stall out in the minors and you were written off as disposable, roster-filling prospect fodder.

Playing cleanly is of no consolation. Both the organization and the fan base care only about results. If I didn’t get them, I was garbage. If I got the results by cheating, I might still be garbage but at least I was rich garbage.

It’s the same way today. Sure, fans and organizations want their players to be clean, if possible, but they’re still both very happy to denounce the process and reward the result.

I’ll never forget what my coaches said to my entire minor league organization early on in my career: “Don’t get caught.”

Not, “don’t cheat ”or“ cheating is for losers” or “we’ll release you if you cheat.”

Don’t get caught.

That was only 10 short years ago and baseball was comfortable with its players at least trying to cheat because it understood full well what cheating meant for the player and the organization.

The punishments for getting caught were still laid out, but the choice was ultimately the player’s. And, since said punishments were explained in much the same manner one might explain that sneaking out past curfew to nail a cleat chaser was something you should only do if it’s worth the cost, it was almost respected.

And that was the general, ethical lens of the time: if you’re going to do it, make sure it’s worth the cost.

In A-Rod’s case, Braun’s case, Melky’s case, Colon’s … it was worth it.

They stuck themselves, got paid, got caught and the net gain still vastly outstrips the cost.

The temptress of cheating was worth breaking curfew for.

There are other players who say, “But wait, I went to bed on time, I stayed at the hotel, I deserve some recognition for following the rules.”

Sorry, you’re not going to get any besides a full night’s sleep. You’re moral, congratulations, but they just got laid. And at the end of the day, unless you play up to the same ability as them, you’re just a nice character piece for moralists to talk sweetly about until you suck so much you become a waste of a roster spot, in which case you’ll be called a bum until you’re released.

Makes you think twice about getting a little loving while the getting is good, huh?

The amazing thing in all of this is how much the general thinking about cheating has shifted. Not among the fan base, which has always been a screaming mob of hypocrites, cursing the unlikable, media-stunted cheaters as douches, forgiving likeable, gregarious ones as “only human,” all the while shouting how they’ll never forget the wrong done to them — at least not until the wrongdoer helps their team win with a clutch, walk-off homer.

No, the impressive thing is how fast the players have changed their view. They very well could have kept the testing dumb and blind and the penalties lax — though some argue they still are — in order to protect their potential earnings.

But team culture has always been remarkably insecure and prone to groupthink — a herd mentality where the safe move is to echo the thoughts and opinions of everyone else.

Twenty years ago the players would protect their own, even if it meant they created a culture of players that needed to be on something to keep up with the rest of the pack.

Now the general consensus among players is to hate cheaters and mark cheating as immoral and unethical, even though it still pays.

The players have changed culture, yet haven’t asked for the rosters to be expanded in the face of an increasingly injury-prone player population. They’ve changed culture with seemingly no recall of the role steroids had in the television deals they currently benefit from.

They’ve even went as far to say that those who accomplished records during the steroid era aren’t the true record holders, and shouldn’t be acknowledged as such.

In some ways today’s players have become so polarized on the matter or PEDs, you wonder if they’re the new benchmark for perfect morality, or just brainwashed.

I wonder if, because the thinking around PEDs and those who do them has become so toxic and binary, players feel they have more to gain by railing against the subject as hard and as public as they possibly can?

Where once the thinking was, “If I’m going to get chewed up and spit out unless I’m one of the all-time greats, I might as well get paid while the getting is good,” it has now become, “If I’m going to make a crap load of money thanks to the work of those who came before me did, I might as well look like and angel doing it.”

If you’re thoroughly objective about the Biogenesis scandal and Major League Baseball’s attempt to clean up the game as a whole, the tactical move for both finances and reputation is still to cheat — just so long as you don’t get to famous while you do it, since the backlash is in direct proportion to your production.

If you get suspended, just come back and play well and people will still love you. If you don’t, so what, you still keep the money.

Seeing this for what it is does not make me unethical. It just makes me honest.

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Very good article by the author of one of the most entertaining recent books on baseball, The Baseball Gospels.
 

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It's another big day in baseball as the pennant race moves into the final quarter. Some huge questions remain:

1. The light hitting Yankees are 14th of 15 in the AL in runs scored, leading only the hapless Chicago White Sox. Can the light hitting Yankees catch the sorry White Sox and lead the league in offensive futility?

2. The Chicago White Sox have not won three games in a row since June 8-10. Will they beat the pitching poor Yankees tonight to break the string?

3. The Chicago White Sox have not swept a series since taking three from the hopeless Miami Marlins in late May. Will the White Sox dust off their brooms and dust off the light hitting Yankees tonight, sweeping them out of town?

4. Where's Joe.T?
 

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Hellooooooo BOYZ...I'm Back!

Fangraphs suggests that 1 WAR is worth about $5 million; Jonny Gomes is worth his salary.

Mr. Gomes has been a pinch hit home run menace to other teams, now setting records for his contributions. Is there a Yankee anywhere with such a high percentage of effective at bats. :lol:

...just how thoroughly CC Sabathia sucks? And has anybody noticed just how many times this year the Yankees have scored two runs? Boy, Soriano, Granderson, and Derek .211 Jeter to the rescue hasn't rescued much of anything.

CC Sabathia ERA SPLITS:

April 3.35
May 4.14
June 5.11
July 6.60
August 7.94

I hear Shaughnessy is going to use the time off to complete his new book: CC, The Road to Total Sucksville.

I for one am hoping that A-Rod fights the ban...getting off with a slap on the wrist, only because i believe it would be terribly unfair that the Yankees are off-the-hook for the nearly $100 million

I agree on this point. Unless one was walking around with an intravenous full of Jameson all day there's no way not to know what a cheater A-Rod was from the start. The Yankees knew who he was and is and chose to exploit his faux numbers for profit. They should be made to pay every bit as the player for promoting the BIGGEST CHEATER IN SPORTS HISTORY. This is the indelible SHAME OF THE YANKEES!!!

The suspensions are in:

• Francisco Cervelli, Yankees catcher (on DL)

• Fernando Martinez, Yankees outfielder (minors)

• Alex Rodriguez, Yankees third baseman

All of these players other than A-Rod got 50 games. Rodriguez got the rest of this regular season plus the entire 2014 season, which comes up to 211 regular season games.

Personally, i think it's bullshit to give one guy 4 times the amount of what the others got, especially considering he's never once tested positive for PED since testing was officially introduced by MLB.

Yankees 3 Red Sox 0 in the Newest SHAME list.

First, he admitted doing it. Then he was caught manipulating evidence and pressuring witnesses. Has any other player done all that Doc? His ban should have been lifetime.

And finally, not only am i surprised David Ortiz never got caught, but i'm as surprised that Derek Jeter never tested positive either. Or has he?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/12/13/sports/20071213_MITCHELL_FEATURE.html?_r=0#56

David Ortiz was reported to be on the Mitchell Report list. According to the NY Times of July 5, 2011 he never was. Only the wishful and the haters think he cheated. Suspecting Ortiz might be fair, but saying he used any banned substance is a lie.

On behalf of all Chicago White Sox fans, I'd like to thank the light hitting Yankees for bringing their sorry show to the Midway. Before the light hitting Yanks hit town, it had been weeks since the Pale Hose won two in a row.

A few interesting stats:
Since the long anticipated return of slugging (lol) Curtis Granderson to the lineup, the Yankees have scored 11 runs in 5 games, or 2.2 runs per game.
Since the All Star Break, the light hitting Yankees have scored 48 runs in 17 games, or 2.82 runs per game.
Since the Yankees have hit the skids, the merb Yankee triplets have visited the baseball thread 0 times per day.

This is beyond pitiful.

When some delusionals keep predicting a Yankee resurrection and all you get is failures, collapses, and branded cheaters you should run under the rock and seal the door.

Of course going double digits behind a team that finished last in 2013 is EPIC FAILURE on any level.

CONGRATULATIONS: Boston Red Sox

They've tied their win total for last year before the end of the first week of August, still with 47 games to go. Even if the split their remaining last games they'll win at least 92 games.

Yes, number 69 was pretty sloppy, but then aren' t all 69s. :thumb:

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21307916/red-sox-match-12-win-total-rout-astros

HOUSTON — In case Monday night’s futile offensive showing surfaced any doubts, the Red Sox offered a pretty hefty reminder Tuesday night that scoring runs on the road has never been this team’s problem.

The Red Sox — who came into the series’ second game at Minute Maid Park averaging the most runs per game (4.9) of any American League team on the road — overcame a rocky start to dominate Astros pitching. The end result were two five-run frames and a 15-10 win over Houston.

The victory allows the Red Sox to match their win total (69) for the entire 2012 season.

This time, the offensive explosion led the Red Sox back from a 5-0 deficit after the first two innings, and 7-3 hole after four.

“I would say no,” said David Ortiz when asked if the Red Sox would have won this sort of game a year ago. “I would say it was a lot of things going on and I don’t think a lot of guys were focused on the things that we need to do to win ballgames.

“Our manager set everything up. John [Farrell], he’s been doing a great job. He’s been outstanding, making sure that we come prepared to play every day. He’s a big part of what we’ve got going on right now here.”

Leading the offensive onslaught was Jacoby Ellsbury, who went 3-for-4 with a pair of home runs. It was the leadoff hitter’s fourth career multi-home run game, with his last such occasion coming against the Yankees, Sept. 5, 2011.

The top four hitters in the Red Sox’ lineup — Ellsbury, Shane Victorino, Dustin Pedroia and David Ortiz — set the stage for their team’s comeback, going 11-for-18 with 11 runs and nine RBI. The Red Sox already came into the night owning more hits out of their first four batters than any team in the majors.

Punctuating the Red Sox’ bat attack were a stretch from innings 5-7 in which they sent 26 men to the plate.

The combination of starter Steven Wright and reliever Brandon Workman put the Red Sox in a ditch they had to dig out from early on. Houston, who came into the game with the second-worst batting average for innings 1-4 in the majors, put up seven runs before recording its 11th out.

Wright’s primary issue came courtesy an inability to find catcher Ryan Lavarnway’s glove, watching as the backstop succumbed to a major-league record four passed balls in one inning. The knuckleballer didn’t help himself, either, allowing three runs on three hits, two walks and a wild pitch, while throwing 38 pitches in his only inning of work.

“It ended,” said Lavarnway of Houston’s first inning. “They scored three runs and then we came back and kicked their butt.”

“It was definitely moving, it was moving more than I think I’ve ever had it in my life, so it was a learning experience,” said Wright, who had previously thrown to Lavarnway in games eight times. “It was great to come out on top, we got the win, just wish I was able to go a little bit deeper into the game.’”

Workman couldn’t put out the fire after entering in the second inning, allowing two runs in his first frame, and single runs in each of the following pair of innings. The rookie would go on to keep the Sox in the game until being pulled after allowing six runs on nine hits over 4 2/3 innings. By the time he was replaced by Drake Britton, the Sox carried a four-run advantage.

Here is some more of what went right (and wrong) in the Red Sox’ 69th win of the season:

WHAT WENT RIGHT

- Lavarnway managed to slow down the Astros’ running game a bit, throwing out Jonathan Villar attempting to steal third with one out in the fourth inning. Up until the caught stealing, Houston had managed eight straight steals for the series. The catcher also came through with a two-run double in the fifth that gave the Sox the lead for good.

- Jonny Gomes’ three-run homer in the sixth inning was the outfielder’s fourth pinch-hit homer of the season, giving him the second-most in franchise history for a single campaign. Joe Cronin still holds the team’s mark with five in 1943, with Del Wilber the only other Red Sox player to manage four in a season, totaling the number in ’53. The six pinch-hit home runs is the second-most for a Red Sox team, with the ’53 team having hit seven.

“Any time you have an opportunity to share the record, or share history with somebody, it’s pretty special, especially when it’s on the positive side,” Gomes said. “It’s pretty cool, but the season’s not over. I might get another one.”

- Britton continued to impress, coming on to fan All-Star Jason Castro with a pair of runners on in the sixth inning. He finished his 2 1/3 innings allowing just a Jake Elmore solo home run, striking out three.

- Rubby De La Rosa made his Red Sox debut, pitching a perfect ninth inning with two strikeouts.

WHAT WENT WRONG

- Lavarnway’s four passed balls in the first inning tied a major league record. The last time the feat was accomplished was by Geno Petralli (courtesy Charlie Hough) on Aug. 22, 1987, with Ray Katt failing to handle Hoyt Wilhelm on Sept. 10, 1954.

- Mike Napoli continued to struggle, going 0-for-4 with a pair of strikeouts. In his last 11 games, the first baseman is 5-for-41 with 19 strikeouts.


Cheers BOYZ!

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First, he admitted doing it. Then he was caught manipulating evidence and pressuring witnesses. Has any other player done all that Doc? His ban should have been lifetime.
Actually, what A-Rod did wasn't far removed from what Melky Cabrera did and he got 50 games. The only reason to give A-Rod more than Melky is that he's a major asshole. And that doesn't work.

Give him 50 games, bring him back, and let the Yankees pay him for all of his suckitude. Remember, they knew he was a Roider when they gave him the extension.
 

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Maybe, the Yankees exerted whatever influence they had to request a long suspension for A-Roid. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but they have 114 million reasons to do so.
 

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Hypocrisy of the heard mentality

by Dirk Hayhurst, Sportsnet

Yesterday, someone called me unethical because it made sense to me why Alex Rodriguez, or any baseball player for that matter, would cheat.

My basic argument was, if I could make half a billion dollars over my career by sticking a needle in my ass and, if caught, I’d only have to give back around $30 million of it, I’d do it.

I honestly think a lot of us would. Even though it’s socially acceptable to say we wouldn’t and fashionable to turn those who do into pariahs, we’d do it.

Hmmm.

I totally agree with the critics. The idea that it's logical anyone might choose to cheat to make $100 million rather than cut sugar cane in the fields for $1.00 per hour does NOTHING to change the total lack of ethics. Otherwise, the same argument that ethics don't count if I'm very poor and cheating would greatly enrich me could be made for robbing banks, killing rich spouses, running a huge financial pyramid scheme, selling children. The logic of the risk and reward ratio says this will keep happening. But it's still ethical SHIT!

One thing that is sickening is A-Rod the FRAUD won't have to give back a dime he's been paid. Why should Armstrong pay back the money when the Yankee Scumbag can keep his past salary and he is only losing a small percentage of future money. I'd take all the money paid to Super Cheat (and all cheaters) and put it in some sort of Children's benefit fund. Certainly the filthy Yankees shouldn't get any back.

Cheers,

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Break out the asterisk.

from the NY Daily News:

Johnny Damon: Yankees' 2009 World Series title would be diminished if Alex Rodriguez used PEDs
Damon, who was a key cog in the Bombers' six-game series against Philadelphia in that '09 Fall Classic, called Rodriguez a 'huge determining factor' for the Yankees that postseason.

Johnny Damon says the Yankees’ 2009 World Series title would “absolutely” be diminished if his former Bombers’ teammate Alex Rodriguez used performance-enhancing drugs to slug his way to a .365 postseason average and a club record 18 RBIs through three playoff series.

“I really haven't gotten to think that far, but if that's how he was able to hit in the postseason, like he did that year, then yeah, absolutely,” Damon said Wednesday on MLB Network Radio on Sirius XM. “Then you start going, 'Was anybody on (another) team cheating?' There's just so many different factors that determine if a team wins, and A-Rod was a huge determining factor. He played a pretty huge part.”

Damon told the Daily News that “anything with a connection to PEDS, Alex’s name is going to come up. “It would be a shame if that’s the only reason we won against the Twins, Angels and Phillies,” Damon added, when asked about the reported evidence MLB has against A-Rod, which connects the Yankee third baseman to past doping in 2010, 2011 and 2012.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...anks-title-09-article-1.1420586#ixzz2bKq0U6Au
 

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Good article, Doc. While the article says that there's easy access to PEDs in the Dominican, what it doesn't mention is that they can be purchased legally over the counter.

Meanwhile, I'd like to congratulate the light hitting Yankees for putting five runs on the board, albeit in 12 innings. Sigh. If only they'd been enough. But it's not the runs that were the real feat. They did manage to get swept by the pitiful Chicago White Sox, blowing a 12th inning lead in the process. Sabathia couldn't stop the Chicago juggernaut, Mighty Mo couldn't hold them, who would think Adam Warren could?

Where's Joe?
 

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Good article, Doc. While the article says that there's easy access to PEDs in the Dominican, what it doesn't mention is that they can be purchased legally over the counter.

Quite true. Many friends of mine who have been into bodybuilding for years have told me that while vacationing in Mexico, they were able to purchase steroids & all kinds of other 'bodybuilding' shit 'over the counter' while visiting that country. Of course, like myself, they don't see anything wrong with them as long as they're used responsibly, whether it means improving your appearance, your musculature, your strenght & your overrall performance. I myself was administered a few injections several years ago when i began a strenuous bodybuilding program and i must admit that it made me feel fantastic! Therefore, it wouldn't be difficult to understand why so many bodybuilders get addicted to them.

My personal opinion on the whole PED thing is that it doesn't really bother me & athletes can do whatever they want in order to improve their performance. I also believe that half of the baseball players take something illegal in order to be able to cope with a 162 schedule, but have very good masking agents. The key is to 'not get caught'. Major League Baseball's drug program is a joke considering none of the players suspended in the BioGenesis 'scandal' ever tested positive for anything. It's a circumstantial case and nothing more. Players who accepted their suspensions almost felt like they had a gun pointed at their head and in many cases just wanted to whole thing to be swept under the carpet once their suspension was served.

A-Rod had no choice but to want to fight this case considering he was handed out nearly 4 times what the other players got. A-Rod is also a first-time offender. The evidence they have on him is basically hearsay & circumstantial, and money-wise his loss would be the greatest in the history of professional sports. It really does look like a witch-hunt from the likes of MLB and the NY Yankees. Melky Cabrera did worse & only got 50 games. So why does A-Rod get 4 times more? Because Bud Selig has made it personal. If the players don't do anything to stop this dictator from doing anything he wants, many of them will regret looking the other way in the future because any one of them could be the next A-Rod.

By the way, Cabrera did NOT test positive for PEDs. He simply showed high levels of testosterone. Of course, these higher levels made MLB suspect he used something illegal to make them elevated.

PEDs saved MLB in the late 90's. Everyone knew half the players (if not more) were on them, but the power numbers were good for attendance & popularity. MLB looked the other way and let it go on. If it wasn't for Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti, there might be even more players using PEDs today than back then, who knows.

Other sports refuse to shoot themselves in the foot and take different stances in how to deal with the PED issue. Does anyone actually believe that the majority of NFL football players aren't on some type of PEDs? The suspensions are rare and most are swept under the carpet and not made an issue of. Does anyone think there isn't a PED problem in NHL hockey? For one, testing is not done during the off-season when it comes to NHL hockey. Players can juice up as much as they want during the off-season when they're training on their own, and show up at training camp in September looking bigger, more muscular and feeling great. The only time we heard steroids mentionned in the NHL was when John Kordic's life was put under the microscope after his death. And two years ago, George Laracque talked about the problem with steroids and HGH in the NHL and was either ridiculed or told to shut-the-fuck up by current hockey players and the NHL-loving media. One of my pals who played in the NHL once told me that the problem wasn't necessarily steroids or HGH when he played, but mostly uppers. At least half the players he knew would take uppers before hitting the ice prior to each game or practice, and they were freely handed out in several dressing rooms he played in.

I firmly believe Alex Rodriguez' suspension will be reduced to 50 games, at the most. It wouldn't surprise me if the arbitrator rules that he cannot be suspended on heresay and circumstantial evidence alone, and should not be suspended at all.

Shame on the other players for agreeing to a 50-game suspension. MLB set a trap for them and they walked into it. Why 50 games? Because it made it possible for them to play in the playoffs once the suspension served. And by admitting to an accusation, they all figured it would all be eventually forgotten just like no one no longer even mentions Andy Pettite and Jason Giambi, who both admitted using PEDs in the past.
 

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Major League Baseball's drug program is a joke considering none of the players suspended in the BioGenesis 'scandal' ever tested positive for anything. It's a circumstantial case and nothing more. Players who accepted their suspensions almost felt like they had a gun pointed at their head and in many cases just wanted to whole thing to be swept under the carpet once their suspension was served.
It's also a joke for many of the reasons you cite further down. Once again, the players, mostly Latin, take all of the hit, while MLB ignores all the other places where the blame should fall. How very similar to 1919-1920, when the Black Sox players, all significantly underpaid by the miser, Comiskey, took the hit while Comiskey, Grabiner, and the gamblers all got off scot free.

A-Rod had no choice but to want to fight this case considering he was handed out nearly 4 times what the other players got. A-Rod is also a first-time offender. The evidence they have on him is basically hearsay & circumstantial, and money-wise his loss would be the greatest in the history of professional sports. It really does look like a witch-hunt from the likes of MLB and the NY Yankees. Melky Cabrera did worse & only got 50 games. So why does A-Rod get 4 times more? Because Bud Selig has made it personal.
Exactly.

PEDs saved MLB in the late 90's. Everyone knew half the players (if not more) were on them, but the power numbers were good for attendance & popularity. MLB looked the other way and let it go on.
Yup, they weren't so bad then. LOL.

I firmly believe Alex Rodriguez' suspension will be reduced to 50 games, at the most. It wouldn't surprise me if the arbitrator rules that he cannot be suspended on heresay and circumstantial evidence alone, and should not be suspended at all.
I don't see a total overturn, though you never know. The reduction to 50 games is most likely.

Then there's this, from Gammons' website:

Everth Cabrera’s emotional apology to his Padres teammates and to fans prompted this from a general manager:

”The number of players on the suspended list for whom English is a second language tells me that we as clubs and the Players Association and agents are betraying a lot of these kids. We should all do a better job in the process of cultural conversion. These kids need to know what the rules are, what they can use and what they cannot, who they can trust—especially keeping them away from the dirty agents—and what to avoid off the field. A lot these kids are coming over at 16 or 17 and are thrown in, despite the language problems. Some of this is on us.”


Nice to know that someone on the inside is willing to take his share of the blame.
 

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Boyz,

Personally, i think it's bullshit to give one guy 4 times the amount of what the others got, especially considering he's never once tested positive for PED since testing was officially introduced by MLB.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/09/arod.admits/

On Saturday, Sports Illustrated broke the news that Rodriguez had tested positive for two anabolic steroids in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_drug_policy

No amigo. According to the information, the testing policy began in 2006, A-Rod tested positive for TWO anabolic steroids in early 2009. Why else would this unconscionable jerk admit he did it if he hadn't been nailed red-handed.

You are wrong

It was Barry Bonds

Okay, there are elements in individual cases that make who is worse argumentative. But if the drone of reports are true that Rodriguez was involved in covering up evidence and trying to influence witnesses...that's check mate.

I don't see a total overturn, though you never know. The reduction to 50 games is most likely.

I doubt the MLB would be so harsh on A-Rod suspending him 211 games if there wasn't some offenses that are substantial, provable, and extreme in his case.

Once again, the players, mostly Latin, take all of the hit, while MLB ignores all the other places where the blame should fall. How very similar to 1919-1920, when the Black Sox players, all significantly underpaid by the miser, Comiskey, took the hit while Comiskey, Grabiner, and the gamblers all got off scot free.
Good point. Top culprits...the MLB and the MLB Players Association. No matter what they say now their actions were inadequate or duplicitous because of profits, especially the Players Association. The key problem: guaranteed contracts and fighting against testing.

My personal opinion on the whole PED thing is that it doesn't really bother me & athletes can do whatever they want in order to improve their performance.

The point is being a universal allowance or being banned. Rules are what makes the game, otherwise it's the same as giving hitters an extra strike, pitchers less strikes for an out, or giving one team a key advantage that swings the odds decisively to them.

Personally I prefer the ban. I was never impressed by the inflation of the single year home run record during the height of roid use. It looked like cheap Hollywood pulp I couldn't take seriously. Let them all take PEDs and wait 5-10 years to see where all the numbers standards settle, because all the past measures are instantly irrelevant. Then what's next to squeeze out more excitement...rubber baseballs that fly forever.

People who need more impressive numbers to enjoy the game don't love the essence of the sport.

Hypocrisy of the heard mentality

by Dirk Hayhurst, Sportsnet

Cheaters were promoted more often, paid more and re-signed even after they were caught. I was not.

One thing I can't stand about Hayhurst is his clear regret for being an honest player...if so. It makes all of his criticisms of the fans, players, teams, come off as hardly more than whining despite whatever truth is within his opinions. Talk about hypocrites. He wants to blame everyone else for not exposing the abusers instead of standing behind his own choice. True there was a ton of abuse, but without any of it would Hayhurst have had a better and longer career. Look at the list of known PED abusers. Some are the biggest names, a lot of others are...huh...who. A-Rod had great skills and PEDs added power. To his everlasting shame he couldn’t stand being excellent, he had to be the best. Hayhurst didn’t have much of the skills for PEDs to enhance, and yet he thinks he missed a bigger career because others cheated and he didn’t. Personally, I see a lot of looking for excuses of why he couldn’t cut it in Hayhurst.

Hypocrisy of the heard mentality

by Dirk Hayhurst, SportsnetSorry, you’re not going to get any besides a full night’s sleep. You’re moral, congratulations, but they just got laid. And at the end of the day, unless you play up to the same ability as them, you’re just a nice character piece for moralists to talk sweetly about until you suck so much you become a waste of a roster spot, in which case you’ll be called a bum until you’re released.

Look at this above. This is the doomsday whining of a very jaded individual who implies there’s no chance by taking the honest route. It’s an insight into a very contorted perspective losing faith in everything honest and inversely making the case for cheating. When Hayhurst implies honesty is for suckers, and no one can make it without cheating, he makes the devil’s argument and makes himself the same as everything that’s wrong. With this attitude I doubt he was the honest player he claims. Maybe there just wasn’t enough skill in him for PEDs to enhance and he's manically pissed about it.

Hypocrisy of the heard mentality

by Dirk Hayhurst, Sportsnet

If you’re thoroughly objective about the Biogenesis scandal and Major League Baseball’s attempt to clean up the game as a whole, the tactical move for both finances and reputation is still to cheat — just so long as you don’t get to famous while you do it, since the backlash is in direct proportion to your production.

If you get suspended, just come back and play well and people will still love you. If you don’t, so what, you still keep the money.

Hayhurst is just so jaded that his answer is better advice on how to cheat rather than revamping the entire system. He is a QUITTER...someone who increases the problem by giving up on it because it's more convenient to do so.

Anyone who wants to end this scandal knows the problem is the risk to reward ratio for players is extremely weighted to the benefits of cheating because of contract structures and permissive penalty standards. As it’s been discussed on WEEI for the past week, if you want results: 1) get caught you are gone the first time; 2) get caught and there will be counteraction against as much of your past salary as possible for fraud.

That would greatly increase the risk factor to be intolerable for most. Some will cheat anyway, but so much would be cleaned up.

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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