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One last thing about the PED issue:

Their benefits are quite obvious. They make the current athletes better athletes, better performers, etc. Yet, for whatever reasons, MLB and other sports are against them.

Fine. I woudn't have any problem with this if the various anti-PED organizations would be consistent. As i've stated earlier, there was a time when MLB ignored the PED issue and some may actually go as far as accuse them of encouraging PED use. But that's another topic altogether. However, why call people who use them cheaters? Shouldn't a baseball player who undergoes LASIK eye surgery also be dubbed a cheater? What about any athlete who drinks a can of Redbull prior or during a game or competition? Shouldn't he or she also be dubbed a cheater? What about an athlete who consumes one or two cups of coffee prior to a game or competition in order to also get a 'boost'? Cheater also?? What about a pitcher or other player who has a headache but needs to take a couple of aspirins in order to perform better and/or be able to play? Cheater or not?? Or maybe a player who drinks a couple of beers in order to relax prior to a game......another cheater???

This whole matter is SO subjective!! As the ol' saying used to go "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Now i could say that "cheating is in the eye of the beholder" also. What a hypocritical farce!
 

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Another wonderful night in Metland with Matt Harvey last night


His next start will be in Dodgerland

How about LA ??

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involved in covering up evidence and trying to influence witnesses..

Then you have Lance Armstrong :thumb:

I'm just kidding around with you...

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Boyz,

One last thing about the PED issue:

Their benefits are quite obvious. They make the current athletes better athletes, better performers, etc. Yet, for whatever reasons, MLB and other sports are against them.

...player who undergoes LASIK eye surgery...a can of Redbull prior...consumes one or two cups of coffee...a couple of aspirins...a couple of beers in...

The above has more apples and oranges than the state of Florida. Absolutely no one would ever, and never has, confused good conditioning habits with cheating. Good fitness training, positive diet habits, a dedicated practice regimen, and health care are all natural methods of heightening performance. A simple great night's sleep is one of the best assets for performance of all. Should we call sleep cheating. :rolleyes: Lasik gives you nothing more than restoration. Red Bull and coffee (caffeine) might increase clarity in a small amount, but they can quickly make you jittery and knock off timing. As for beer, it doesn't make anyone better at anything other than making a fool of himself.

If anyone need evidence PEDS are a cheat look at how regularly players broke the formerly untouchable home run record for 3 of 4 years. McGwire 70, up 15% in 1998 over the previous record of 61. McGwire 65, up 6% in 1999 over the previous record of 61. Sosa 73, up 20% in 2002 over the previous record of 61. Freaking ridiculous, and that's right after highs for the three previous years of 52, 56, 56 compared to 70, 65, 73.

A new Roger Maris nearly every year...PUUUUULLLEEEEAAASSSSSEEEEE!

The Boston Red Sox
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Is there anyone more deserving of Manager of the Year than John Farrell in the AL. NO! From last in 2012 to FIRST and 11.5 games over the Yankees. This team has come from behind to win late as frequently as the Yankees show their futility. I love this team. Three stars and a lot of guys who never give up. If Buchholz finds his balls, the superb Lackey gets run support, and Peavy stays consistently solid this team can be a real threat.

Meanwhile the Yankees have hired private investigators to find out what a baseball actually looks like in the desperate hope of hitting one. :lol:

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A question for the Beav: would you trade Cano and Kuroda for prospects? Is it time to rebuild for 2015 and beyond? You could keep both and make them qualifying offers, but you could also deal them for prospects and try to resign them in the off-season. If Kuroda goes back to Japan, the qualifying offer does you no good, you get no draft compensation.

Re-sign them? Possibly Cano, but he's sure to get a longer offer elsewhere than he'll get from Cashman. Kuroda is quite unlikely to return to New York unless he thought they had a chance to contend; he's probably smarter than that.

Consider the 2014 Yankees, a team sure to be considerably worse than the 2013 team. Keep in mind a) that they already have $17 M committed to Rodriguez (assuming a 50 game suspension), $2M to Wells (whether they release him or not), $23 M each to Sabathia and Teixeira, $5 M to Soriano, $6.5 M to Suzuki, $3-$8 M to Jeter (buyout or player option.) In addition to that, Robertson and Gardner will likely get $13 M between them in arbitration or settlement. Nova and Pineda are both arbitration eligible and both will probably be offered. I assume that Stewart, Kelley and Nix will not.

So what have you got for your $101 M? The makings of a 90-95 loss team, that's what.

C - open
1b - Teixeira, or what's left of him
2b - open
SS - probably Jeter
3b - Rodriguez for 2/3 of the season, open the rest

Nice infield, if this were 2007. For 2014, it looks a lot like the 1962 Mets.

LF - Soriano
CF - Gardner
RF - Suzuki

Ouch, a 40 hr outfield.

Starting pitching-
1 - Sabathia
2 - Nova
3 - open, maybe Pineda
4 - open
5 - open

Closer - Robertson

With the spare parts in the bullpen, you have some $70 million to fill out the team from a weak free agent class. Robinson Cano could eat some 40% of that by himself, but he's probably gone if a) someone else offers him more than five years or b) unless the Steinbrothers overrule Cashman, who certainly won't.

Considering that there's no immediate help in the upper levels of the farm system and that most of their top prospects have taken backward steps in 2013, the smartest thing the Yanks could do now is to try and deal Kuroda and Cano, netting them some four high quality prospects in the deals. This, of course, assumes that they can work a deal with the team that claims them on waivers, as there's no way they'll get through.
 

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Then there's this from Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York on how the A-Rod circus is drawing attention from the real issue: how much the Yankees suck and how much they're going to suck for the foreseeable future:

A-Rod saga masked Yanks' ugly truth
By Wallace Matthews
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Since May 25, only three teams in Major League Baseball have worse records than the New York Yankees: The Astros. The Giants.

And the White Sox, who just completed a three-game sweep of the Yankees early Thursday morning in Chicago.

You can make the argument that by virtue of the outcome of that series, the Yankees are now the worst team in baseball. After all, if you need to beat the best to be the best, it stands to reason that if you lose to the worst, you become the worst.

That is the backdrop against which the Yankees return to the Bronx for a seven-game homestand Friday night, beginning with three against the Detroit Tigers, who incidentally are the third-best team in baseball since May 25, the date on which the Yankees' season started going to hell.

Friday night was supposed to be about the return of Alex Rodriguez to Yankee Stadium, the ballpark he was booed out of last October, and things have only gotten worse for him since.

But now, the A-Rod saga is reduced to a true sideshow, a secondary story to the real issue at Yankee Stadium, which is no longer how to salvage their season, but how to reclaim their future.

In all but a mathematical sense, this season is a lost cause. There are 49 games left, and the Yankees would likely have to win 33 of them to reach 90 wins for the season, probably the minimum threshold to be in the wild-card hunt. That would mean playing .673 ball the rest of the way, a pace they haven't come close to all season, even when it looked like the Yankees might have struck gold with Vernon Wells, Travis Hafner and Lyle Overbay.

That turned out to be fool's gold. And now they are stuck with sacks of it around their necks, weighing them down for the rest of this season, and in Wells' case, next season as well.

The truly depressing thing about this year is that since the All-Star break, that arbitrarily drawn line in the sand after which struggling teams vow to regroup, the Yankees are 6-12. Since the day of the trade deadline, at which the Yankees were able to add nothing to their roster, they are 1-5. And since trading for Alfonso Soriano, who was supposed to jump-start the offense, on July 26, they are 3-7.

(It seems almost unfair to mention this, but since the return of A-Rod, they are 0-3.)


The point is, nothing has seemed to help. And there are no longer any reinforcements on the way. If Derek Jeter, who has been unable to play more than three games in a row without going back to the DL, winds up playing 30 games all season, it will be a pleasant surprise.

So there's really no use in agonizing over or even discussing this season until something miraculous happens in the coming days. A sweep of these seven games at home, after all, could change the momentum and the feeling in the clubhouse.

(The second four games of the homestand are against the Los Angeles Angels, an indisputably bad team whose record since May 25 is two games better than the Yankees'.)

Now, there are two questions to answer: Who's to blame for what has happened this year? And what can be done to avoid a similar fate next year?

There are two simple answers to the first question.

The first is that injuries to key members of the club were simply too much to overcome. And in hindsight, it now seems that the 2013 Yankees were doomed from the moment Jeter went down with a broken ankle in Game 1 of the American League Championship Series last October. From there, an ever-cascading series of catastrophes followed.

The second is that Hal Steinbrenner, with his self-imposed $189 million cap, handcuffed his general manager just long enough so that there weren't many players left on which Brian Cashman could spend his money.

That is why, instead of bringing back Russell Martin, Raul Ibanez and Eric Chavez, the Yankees wound up with Wells and Hafner and Overbay.

And anyone in the Yankees front office who tells you $189 million was never a hard-and-fast number is engaging in revisionist history in order to curry favor with the boss (as opposed to The Boss).

The second question is much more difficult to answer.

For starters, there are question marks at just about every position for next year. It is assumed that Jeter and Mark Teixeira will be healthy for 2014 and will resume their duties at shortstop and first base. But both will be a year older -- Jeter, in fact will turn 40 before the season is half-over -- and coming off injuries that turned out to be much more serious than originally believed.

Second base and third base are up in the air: A-Rod is likely to spend part, if not all, of the season serving a suspension. And it is by no means guaranteed, considering how many long-term free-agent deals have backfired on them, that the Yankees will tie down Robinson Cano, who seems to be taking the phrase "walk year'' way too literally on his way to first base.

As of now, the outfield will be Brett Gardner, Ichiro Suzuki and either Soriano or Wells. Aside from Gardner, the baby of that bunch is Wells, who will come to spring training heading toward his 36th birthday.

And of course, the Yankees will have three starting pitchers, and maybe four, to replace. Phil Hughes is a free agent and will not be back. So, too, is Andy Pettitte, who may choose a return to retirement after the frustration of an ineffective season. Then again, it may not be his choice.

At 39, Hiroki Kuroda may want to call it quits. And even if he doesn't, the days of getting him to work for a mere $15 million are over after the season he's had in 2013.

That leaves just CC Sabathia, who looks headed for an A-Rod-like conclusion to his Yankees contract, and Ivan Nova, as holdovers for next year's rotation.

And have I mentioned that in addition to everything else, the Yankees will need to replace not just a closer, but the greatest closer of all time?

The answers are not coming from down on the farm -- as a member of the team's front office admitted to me Thursday, "Our farm system has taken a step backward this year" -- and they might not be in the free-agent market, either.

Jacoby Ellsbury will be there, and so will Brian McCann and Matt Garza. But so will a lot of familiar faces: Chavez, Ibanez, Michael Young, and yes, A.J. Burnett.

It's a lot easier to see how the Yankees got into this mess than to figure a way out.

That is Cashman's job, and that of his staff, with the financial support of an owner who, even if he doesn't thirst for victory the way his father did, certainly won't want to be embarrassed like this for a second season in a row.

So if you're heading to Yankee Stadium to boo Alex Rodriguez on Friday, just remember this: He's no longer the problem, and he's hardly the person to blame.

The truth is, for the past couple of weeks, Rodriguez's continuing soap opera has served to divert attention from how bad the Yankees have been.

Friday night, the team gets to return A-Rod's favor.


Hey, where's Joe?
 

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The hottest team in baseball right now is the Atlanta Braves, who have a 14-game winning streak. The winning streak record is 21 by the 1935 Chicago Cubs. The 1916 NY Giants had a 26 game streak including 1 tie. The Detroit Tigers had a 12 game streak before it was broken last night.

The amazing Pittsburgh Pirates, who are 4 games ahead of the St. Louis Cardinals in the NL Central, need just 13 games out of the remaining 47 games to break their 20 year losing season streak. The Pirates are on target to win 99 games.
 

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Another wonderful night in Metland with Matt Harvey last night


His next start will be in Dodgerland

How about LA ??

32-8 since June 21

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Smuler

LA has a great team. They just needed time to get settled and play like they are capable of playing.
 

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LA has a great team. They just needed time to get settled and play like they are capable of playing.
Has any trade in baseball history helped both clubs as much as the deal between the Dodgers and Red Sox last year? Two franchises back from the dead and a very possible matchup in the 2013 World Serious.
 

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Multiple choice question: How many saves has Mariano Rivera blown in his last three chances?

a. 3
b. 3
c. 3
d. 3
 

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BRAVO...BRAVO...BRAVO to Pujols.

It's disgusting how some seek to perpetuate their name by slandering others. In this case Jack Clark used very old hearsay to accuse one of the games biggest names of cheating. Even if Pujols could possibly be somehow guilty, those seeking to enhance themselves by trashing anyone without the faintest proof should get their asses sued off. Those like Hayhurst and Clark who offer nothing but accusations should be ready to put up...or STFU!!! I'm delighted Albert Pujols has decided to put the feet of a slanderer to the legal fire...and may that fire be a searing warning to others who have no scruples about enriching their positions at the costs of the reputations of others. :amen: :whoo: :whoo: :whoo:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/m...suing-jack-clark-cardinals-angels-doping.html

"I am currently in the process of taking legal action against Jack Clark and his employers at WGNU 920AM," the injured Los Angeles Angels' slugger said a statement Friday night. "I am going to send a message that you cannot act in a reckless manner, like they have, and get away with it.

"If I have to be the athlete to carry the torch and pave the way for other innocent players to see that you can do something about it, I am proud to be that person. I have five young children and I take being a role model very seriously. The last thing I want is for the fans, and especially the kids out there, to question my reputation and character.

"I know people are tired of athletes saying they are innocent, asking for the public to believe in them, only to have their sins exposed later down the road. But I am not one of those athletes..."—Albert Pujols regarding the accusation he used PEDs.


In the meantime:

Ahhhhhhh, just a little bit more daylight with Tampa Bay in the standings while the Yankees become a faint memory deep in the rear view mirror. :D :thumb:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ellsbury-leads-red-sox-5-025510976--mlb.html

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Jacoby Ellsbury beat the Kansas City Royals with his bat and glove.

Ellsbury matched a career high with four hits and drove in a pair of runs to lead the Boston Red Sox to a 5-3 win over the Kansas City Royals on Saturday night.

Ellsbury had RBI-doubles in the fourth and sixth innings and also stole his major league-leading 42nd base. It was his 10th career four-hit game and second this season.

''I'm seeing the ball and driving it, putting some good swings on the ball,'' Ellsbury said. ''I feel like I've been swinging the bat well and all you can do is get hard contact.

''Fortunately tonight they fell in. I've always been a big believer that it's just a matter of time. I've put a lot of work into it, into hitting and making good contact.''

The Red Sox lead the American League with 71 victories, while the Royals lost for just the third time in 18 games.

''It was definitely a nice win for us,'' Ellsbury said. ''Tonight, all three games really, it's been a dogfight. They're playing well and we're playing well. We'll come out and try to split the series tomorrow.''

Ellsbury also ran down Miguel Tejada's sharp liner to end the first with the bases loaded and Jarrod Dyson's sinking line drive in the eighth with a runner on second.

''There's a lot of ground to cover,'' Ellsbury said. ''If you hit the ball in the air here you have a chance to track it down.''

Ellsbury saved runs and drove in runs.

''On both sides of the ball excellent, great defensive play in the outfield this whole series,'' Royals manager Ned Yost said. ''He's just a tough, tough out.''


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Could be a huge night in the old Bronx in the House that Ruth Didn't Build. The light hitting Yankees haven't won two games in a row since July 11-12, but with Kuroda on the mound, this could be the big night. Will two in a row get Joe out from under his rock?
 

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I happen to know full well that Mr.T has been in the loving embrace of his amazing ps gf lately....have never seen him happier lol........ i asked him about the red sox and yanks 2 days ago and he said "who?"
Will two in a row get Joe out from under his rock?
 

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One last thing about the PED issue:


Fine. I woudn't have any problem with this if the various anti-PED organizations would be consistent. As i've stated earlier, there was a time when MLB ignored the PED issue and some may actually go as far as accuse them of encouraging PED use. But that's another topic altogether. However, why call people who use them cheaters? Shouldn't a baseball player who undergoes LASIK eye surgery also be dubbed a cheater? What about any athlete who drinks a can of Redbull prior or during a game or competition? Shouldn't he or she also be dubbed a cheater?

This whole matter is SO subjective!! As the ol' saying used to go "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Now i could say that "cheating is in the eye of the beholder" also. What a hypocritical farce!

Amen brother. I am trying to sort through the logic myself. It is unclear to me what these guys were taking at the bogus Biogenesis clinic? Were they taking steroids or HGH? I think I can understand the ban on steroids because they can be dangerous if misused. Is there the same issue with the HGH?

Everyone is worried about the "old records" and how the records are being broken by athletes on PEDs. I have two questions:

First, can you really compare the current era of baseball to the baseball played during say the Babe Ruth era? There are so many differences. In addition to PEDs there must be hundreds of other differences. The height of the mound, the length of the season, relief pitcher utilization, specialization, the science of physical training, the integration of black athletes, globalization of the game which brought in Latino and Asian athletes, the development of the slider, the emerald ash borer etc. etc. etc. We could go on and on and on.

When Babe Ruth hit 60 Homers the next highest total was how many Home runs? And the Babe did it on a breakfast of beer and hot dogs while chasing pussy all over NYC the night prior! Can you really compare what Ruth did to what Sosa and McGwire did?

Secondly, what drugs or medical procedures are OK? I believe I support the ban on steroids but how about a player coming back from an injury? I listened to the Doctors on Fox Sunday discussing Steroids. They said that the athletes today will inject steroids at 10X to 100X the dosage that the doctors would prescribe to a patient recovering from an injury. Shouldn't an athlete be able to use steroids to recover from an injury? How about a sore arm? Shouldn't they be able to use steroids to recover from a sore arm? How much should they be able to use?

What is the problem with HGH? If you have a problem with HGH what about Tommy John Surgery? How many records have been broken by pitchers that have had Tommy John surgery? Should we put an asterisk next to any pitching record that was broken by a guy with TJ surgery? What other surgeries should we ban? Should all anti inflammatories be banned as well?

Maybe we should see that professional baseball only use the medical science that was available to Babe Ruth so that we do not taint those precious records?
 

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Exactly, Hungry. You really can't begin to compare eras. You've nailed it on about 80 points. There is one thing you omitted, that cheating has always gone on. Greenies, spitballs, scuffing balls, corking bats and on and on.
 

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Yes, I forgot all about the corked bats. Remember the grease ball era and the famous spitball of Gaylord Perry? Remember that famous Sports Illustrated issue that featured all the places that Gaylord Perry hid vasoline on his person during a MLB game? I remember Rod Carew being ejected for using a fungo bat I believe. Wikapedia lists 5 players ejected for corked bats and Craig Nettles who had six superballs in his bat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corked_bat.
 

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Wikapedia lists 5 players ejected for corked bats and Craig Nettles who had six superballs in his bat.
Maybe there's something in the air around third base at Yankee Stadium that leads to cheating.
 

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I was just reading about Denny McClain of the 68 Tigers. Denny won 31 games that year and was 1 - 2 in the World Series winning game six. Denny had a sore arm and was getting 3-5 cortisone shots per month. He received a cortisone shot for each game in the 68 World Series. Incidentally, 68' was the year of the pitcher. After the controversy of Roger Maris’s breaking the Babe's HR record, MLB increased the strike zone from the knees to the shoulders. 338 shutout were thrown and only one player (Yastrimski) hit over .300 during the1968 season. In 69' the strike zone was modified to increase offensive output and the mound was lowered from 15" to 10". McClain was traded to the Senators and he criticized manager Ted Williams because of the new strategy employed by the Senators for starting pitchers. Ted employed a 5-man rotation which was a new concept.

Just look how much baseball changed during the 60's? Should we put an asterik by McClains 31+1 WS victory because of all the cortisone shots?
 
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