A few questions for all Merbites and SPs...

[Miss Cloe]

Greetings to All,

I have been reading Merb for a few months now and finally build up the courage to address the Merb community in order to ask a few questions! Ouff!!!!
I just hope I’m in the right section and allowed to post!?!

First, I want to thank all of you for all the information you provided me with over the last few months regarding many issues and subjects! I recently became an independent companion with a group of independent Ladies and didn’t know much about the industry since I only worked with one agency in the past. The information has been a great help so far, learned quite a bit and still learning!

My questions are the following:

- A member (maybe you will recognize yourself because I cannot find the thread anymore, sorry) mentioned that CIM and Greek was now part of the standard GFE services offered by some Devilish Ladies in Montreal… Does it mean that it’s included in the hourly donation or it’s expected from all GFE SPs to provide those two services (whether it be an SP from an agency and/or Indy and whether is it is offered as an extra or not)?

I really do respect all the GFE Ladies who offer those two particular options and for very personal reasons, I’m not able to offer the two services previously mentioned.
- Does that make me and all the other Ladies who don’t offer these two options a “safe GFE” or less GFE?
- Is a visit to the Greek Islands and CIM more of a PSE trait or GFE or both?

***Please, keep in mind that I’m asking these questions to get a better insight and understanding on the subject! It has nothing to do with Ladies who do offer these options!***

I have read a few threads on the subject (making the distinction between what is expected from a GFE and PSE and what the two different services should include) and it seems that everybody has a different opinion, definition, and/or expectations!

I would appreciate if some of you Merbites or maybe some SPs could help me and answer my questions!

Again, thank you for all the information offered and for the many laughs you provided me with! It’s been a pleasure reading all of you… Well most of you!!


Ladies, keep up the good work!

Montreal girls ROCK!!!


Cloe xox

 

[Sexy_BBW_Véro]

There is the long thread about GFE vs PSE ... https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8703&highlight=pse%2A

Greek and Cim are both PSE service ... A girl announce herself like PSE , for me that means she offer greek and cim or cof ...or even sw

GFE ... means you are more sweet and ready to please the guy and you offering and dfk or lfk.

if you dont provide cim and greek ... doest mean you are not gfe

Many girls ask extra $ for those option when its available ... not me ... i have my reason ... so ... depand the way you feel about it ... its your decision.

So i hope my post gonna help you little bit even my english is bad loll ... and btw ... now we know you are an sp ... and sp have to pay for that publicity.

 

[Special K]

Chloe,

To confirm what Ally and CCF said, according to the infamous Saint Bart Scale, GFE definition is as follows. DFK / / DATY. Most times, CIM and Greek are offered as extra`s and are NOT standard GFE services. Some Devilish girls offer CIM and Greek for no additional charge but again, that`s there own prerogative and does not fall under the standard definition of GFE.

Take care,

SK

PS...Welcome to the posting side of Merb.

 

[Studgrade]

What he said...

GFE definition is as follows. DFK / / DATY. Most times, CIM and Greek are offered as extra`s and are NOT standard GFE services.

First off, let me also welcome you to the board sweetie. It`s great to see you starting to post. You will be a great addition to this place.

Not much more to had to Special K`s post, except to say that if you define your services as GFE, the members here who will see you in the future have enough experience in this matter. They will not ask you about providing them PSE services during their visit with you. They will know where they stand.

Hope this helps.....

Stud out....

 

[Regular Guy]

Gfe

GFE = Girl Friend Experience (providing aspects of social and physical interaction beyond the act itself)

As Ally said GFE then translates as:

GFE ... means you are more sweet and ready to please the guy and you offering and dfk or lfk.

And as SK quotes:

GFE definition is as follows. DFK / / DATY

It all comes down to whether we believe that most girlfriends would offer CIM and Greek to their boyfriends in the normal course of things. Some would and some wouldn`t. My guess is that if you took a poll tomorrow involving a good sample of society, most wouldn`t. On the other hand I think oral sex and kissing are pretty standard. Might be best to leave CIM and Greek with the definition of PSE. The definition of GFE was arrived at to address in a more complete sense the issue of affection and connection than merely the sexual athletics of it all.

 

[Miss Cloe]

There is the long thread about GFE vs PSE ... https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8703&highlight=pse%2A

Greek and Cim are both PSE service ... A girl announce herself like PSE , for me that means she offer greek and cim or cof ...or even sw

GFE ... means you are more sweet and ready to please the guy and you offering and dfk or lfk.

if you dont provide cim and greek ... doest mean you are not gfe

Many girls ask extra $ for those option when its available ... not me ... i have my reason ... so ... depand the way you feel about it ... its your decision.

So i hope my post gonna help you little bit even my english is bad loll ... and btw ... now we know you are an sp ... and sp have to pay for that publicity.

Thank you Ally! I`ve read that thread and it is where I got confused about the two distinct ``services``!

SVP, ne t`inquietes pas avec ton anglais. C`est super comme ca. J`ai bien compris ce que tu me disais!

Just one more thing... I didn`t decide to come on this board and ask questions for publicity. I had sincere and honest questions and concerns about these issues and thought it would be a great idea to ask the ``experts``!!!
I already have someone that takes care of advertizing for me!

Anyway, I`m not here to discuss advertizing. I`m here seeking advice!

Thanks!

 

[Miss Cloe]

Hi Chloe,

Welcome to Merb. You are certainly allowed to post here, and I hope you do so again.

Thank you!

The most important thing I can say is that you should never do anything or succumb to pressure to do anything that you are not comfortable with.

Don't worry, I won't!


There are some members out there who have rather large, uh, members. Many SPs would rightly worry about blowing out a gasket if they had to perform Greek with all of them

LOL One of my personal reasons why I'm not comfortable offering a visit to the Greek Islands! I want to consistent with the GFE services I offer and not "YMMV".

Good luck and let us know how things go for you.

Thank you! I will.

Cloe xox

 

[Miss Cloe]

Thank you!

I just wanted to thank ALL of you for welcoming me to Merb (either by PMs or on the board) and for the clarifications about GFE/PSE and CIM and Greek.

Have a great day!

Cloe xox

 

[CrazyRussian]

GFE does not include CIM of Greek. If offered, CIM is usually (but not always) included in the original fee. Greek is almost never included (i have seen it once).

On the personal notice I think GFE is the most incorrectly used status. It is currently used to show the level of services (such as and DATY) rather than attitude of the girl. Therefore I think it is the easiest just to list the services and be done with it. This way there is no confusion...

 

[korbel]

Greetings to All,

I have been reading Merb for a few months now and finally build up the courage to address the Merb community in order to ask a few questions! Ouff!!!!
I just hope I’m in the right section and allowed to post!?!

First, I want to thank all of you for all the information you provided me with over the last few months regarding many issues and subjects! I recently became an independent companion with a great agency and didn’t know much about the industry since I only worked with one other agency in the past. The information has been a great help so far, learned quite a bit and still learning!

My questions are the following:

- A member (maybe you will recognize yourself because I cannot find the thread anymore, sorry) mentioned that CIM and Greek was now part of the standard GFE services offered by some Devilish Ladies in Montreal… Does it mean that it’s included in the hourly donation or it’s expected from all GFE SPs to provide those two services (whether it be an SP from an agency and/or Indy and whether is it is offered as an extra or not)?

I really do respect all the GFE Ladies who offer those two particular options and for very personal reasons, I’m not able to offer the two services previously mentioned.
- Does that make me and all the other Ladies who don’t offer these two options a “safe GFE” or less GFE?
- Is a visit to the Greek Islands and CIM more of a PSE trait or GFE or both?

***Please, keep in mind that I’m asking these questions to get a better insight and understanding on the subject! It has nothing to do with Ladies who do offer these options!***

I have read a few threads on the subject (making the distinction between what is expected from a GFE and PSE and what the two different services should include) and it seems that everybody has a different opinion, definition, and/or expectations!

I would appreciate if some of you Merbites or maybe some SPs could help me and answer my questions!

Again, thank you for all the information offered and for the many laughs you provided me with! It’s been a pleasure reading all of you… Well most of you!!


Ladies, keep up the good work!

Montreal girls ROCK!!!


Cloe xox

Hello Cloe,

I don't know what any of these agencies require their ladies to do currently. I have used Devilish in the past and this was not part of their required service for any lady up to the end of last year. If any agency is requiring any lady to provide this as part of GFE service they should be ashamed of themselves.

As for what the client may call GFE service, I consider any assertion that these elements are GFE to be a con job. They certainly aren't. These are definitely PSE and should be added only at the ladies discretion and they should be paid at least $50 minimum extra for each service...IF the lady is willing without pressure from the agency. I understand this service may give the agency offering it an edge over others, but to force any lady to do this to enhance profits is wrong. No one should be pressured/forced into riskier behavior and no agency should make this part of their policy unless they have warned each lady applying to them that this is part of "what they call" their GFE offerings. It isn't standard for GFEs. Clients may want this, but they are either engaging in wishful thinking or coercion if they think these items are part of GFE service...LOL. What's next...no condoms at all...renting sex slaves...oops...maybe I should avoid even mentioning these. Some bastard might get ideas.

Ladies, if this sort of pressure is happening to you, go to some other agency where you will be treated better. CIM and Greek are NOT GFE services.

Good luck,

Korbel

Montreal Ladies do ROCK!

 

[korbel]

As Ally said GFE then translates as:

And as SK quotes:

It all comes down to whether we believe that most girlfriends would offer CIM and Greek to their boyfriends in the normal course of things. Some would and some wouldn't. My guess is that if you took a poll tomorrow involving a good sample of society, most wouldn't. On the other hand I think oral sex and kissing are pretty standard. Might be best to leave CIM and Greek with the definition of PSE. The definition of GFE was arrived at to address in a more complete sense the issue of affection and connection than merely the sexual athletics of it all.

Hello Regular Guy,

I don't think definitions of "GFE" service and what a girlfriend will actually do should necessarily be required to match. In a real girlfriend situation the norm or expectation would be monogamy regardless of the possibilities or probabilities that one party would cheat on the other. If a couple is monogamous the risks should be much less. For an escort this situation is obviously impossible since she is most obviously not monogamous and faces the risk of encountering clients who themsleves are clearly also taking risks just by being in the "hobby". So a GFE escort cannot possibly be expected to do everything a truly monogamous couple may do. The GFE definition for escorts is meant to provide an expection for service that may simulate the real girlfriend experience up to a point that must recognize the risks inherent in contact between two people in the hobby, escort and client, who are not monogamous and should be accounting for the obvious risks between two poeple engaging in frequent multiple temporary "partnerships".The GFE escort is an approximation of a girlfriend NOT a true girlfriend. A true girlfriend should be able to expect fewers risks from her partner, while also taking much fewer risks herself since monogamy is the far more typical expectation. An escort facing the prospect of many sex partners simply cannot afford to do all a true girlfriend may want to do.

In nearly seven years I have had nearly 100 encounters and I have only been offered CIM twice without asking...and I never ask. So while many ladies may accept to provide CIM for free when asked, it clearly isn't what they prefer to offer or think of as a standard offering...at least in my experience. As for greek, one lady in the U.S. offered it for free, while several Montreal ladies offered it but only at a price.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Just one more thing... I didn't decide to come on this board and ask questions for publicity. I had sincere and honest questions and concerns about these issues and thought it would be a great idea to ask the "experts"!!!
I already have someone that takes care of advertizing for me!

Anyway, I'm not here to discuss advertizing. I'm here seeking advice!

Thanks!

Hello Cloe,

I would love to see more ladies post here. Oh, it won't always be civilized or friendly. But despite the challenges and/or battles, the opinions of the ladies are a valuable asset to the boards...and need I say, just as valid if not more so as anyone's.

Hoping for more,

Korbel

 

[franky]

franky sayz
I agree that CIM and Greek are not part of the GFE package. I have had numerous ladies quite willing give CIM. I do not think it is so rare and I have never paid extra for it. I have only had Greek once with an SP and it was offered and no extra was charged. I am a big greek fan in my private life but not so into it with sp`s. I think the general rule of GFE is lfk, daty, and multiple shots if able
franky

 

[Rex Kramer]

GFE definition is as follows. DFK / / DATY.

I think the general rule of GFE is lfk, daty, and multiple shots if able

I would add MPOS also. For most people, paying extra for CIM when the service is available is probably as infrequent as free Greek.

GFE service is easier to define than GFE attitude which is much more subjective.

 

[Tracy]

.....

Just one more thing... I didn't decide to come on this board and ask questions for publicity. I had sincere and honest questions and concerns about these issues and thought it would be a great idea to ask the "experts"!!!
I already have someone that takes care of advertizing for me!

.......

Thanks!

good to know, but if other girls are gettting banned for putti8ng in thier profiles their contact info, web sites etc.... and NOT paying advertising, I think you should a) take your WORK INFO off your profile or B) pay for advertising like the rest of us..... so much crap I took before i payed ( posts removed reviews removed) hun please as if you are not looking for free advertising when you put a profile like that.
P.S. Also turn of your pm setting etc. I was hasseled for not paying advertising and posting sooo.... just be fair....

 

[Jason Devilish Escorts]

Here you go

I don`t know what Devilish requires their ladies to do currently. I have used them in the past and this was not part of their required service for any lady up to the end of last year. If they are requiring any lady to provide this as part of GFE service they should be ashamed of themselves.

Hello Korbel and others,

Why would i have some girls listed as GFE and some as PSE if i required them to do it as a GFE service. When we hire the ladies we ask them what they offer and that is what defines them as GFE or PSE. Here at Devilish if the girl does DFK, DATY, then she is GFE, but lets not forget she needs the attitude as well. Any services over and above this i consider to be PSE....

Regards

Chris

 

[korbel]

Hello Korbel and others,

Why would i have some girls listed as GFE and some as PSE if i required them to do it as a GFE service. When we hire the ladies we ask them what they offer and that is what defines them as GFE or PSE. Here at Devilish if the girl does DFK, DATY, then she is GFE, but lets not forget she needs the attitude as well. Any services over and above this i consider to be PSE....

Regards

Chris

Hello Chris,

That sounds fair. Sorry if my post sounded like any sort of accusation. It wasn`t. In my experience at Devilish, I have had good service from the managers and great times with the ladies. I especially find Mike very helpful. My only intention in the previous post was to say coercing of the ladies by any agency or any person to do anything they don`t want to do is a shameful practice. The previous post has been adjusted to aviod singling out any agency.

Regards,

Korbel