Agencies giving priority to regulars for debutantes???

[TheDon]

I once had an agency cancel my redez-vous because the girl did not show up for work.

They then offered me a girl new to the business that was not listed on their site.

It was only 2 weeks later that she finallly showed up on their roster working on 2 occasions and then leaving the business.

I never wrote a review as she never stayed long enough in the business.

I always wondered if agencies keep SPs new to the business for select and regular clients before enabling them to be booked by everyone else?

 

[bigjean]

I also think its a normal practice. Did you read the book of Natalie McLennan? When she begin as escort, the agency calls directly one of his best regulars if he is interested with a promise of a review on ter.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It is a routine practice from the beginning of time and nothing new. In any business regular or preferred clients get certain perks. Season ticket holders of sports teams get offers and discounts on various things that are not available to the casual fan. A customer who eats every Friday night at the same restaurant may get a preferred table. It works the same way in the escort business as any other. Some clients are important because they are good sources of business. This is the way the world turns and it has always been that way in every business. My regular paying clients who refer business to me call me whenever they want and I help then au gratis with their legal jams. The average joe who cold calls does not get such a deal.

Any notion that all clients are created equal for purposes of booking privileges with debutantes or anyone else is nonsense not rooted in reality.

Strangely however many hobbyists seem to believe that escort agencies have different rules than other businesses and it should be a strict first come and first serve basis. I have my own opinions as to why these attitudes prevail but that is a subject for another thread.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I think its a good thing if the young beginner escort can start with a good client. I wouldn't send her on a first date to an unknown either...

The problem come that some clients think because they see a debutante first it will be more fun or whatever... like they have the "privilege" to be the first... somewhat taking her "sp virginity". This is pretty funny to me cause no matter if your the first client, chances are she had sex with many dude in her personal life... and her first client was probably the agency owner lol

 

[rollingstone]

It seems perfectly normal. There was a small cab company in Masschusetts I used daily for well over a year. Once the driver took a while to show up, and I could hear the dispatcher yelling to him "What do you mean you picked someone up??? You know the routine, we first take care of our regulars in the morning and then take other fares!!" If people showed up in the morning before me they would be told there were no cabs available until they were pretty sure I wasn't showing up that day.

Though I don't live in Montreal and hence not a regular anywhere, I have been offered SP's that were not on the roster. But they were not good experiences so if it happens again I will pass. On the flip side though, I do think that people like myself who book SPs for long blocks of time (6 or more hours) get preferential treatment and may cause someone else's appointment to be cancelled (though not my intention)

 

[BookerL]

Greetings fellas

Has in any businesses their is Vip's and VVip's customers ,some clients gets first crack at debutante .
They where on a calling list and made aware before anybody else !Not only they had first crack the Demoiselle was explained who he was ,what type of service he was expecting ,how she should be dressed ,what lingerie etc,etc,etc.............,
You do not want to disappoint you great Patrons .Sometimes some of my Drop dead gorgeous girls where only servicing the vips they had a minimum hours bookings to respect ,their is a expression that is said "no money no candy "it might be shocking but its the way it works

It is a routine practice from the beginning of time and nothing new. In any business regular or preferred clients get certain perks..

Its also true in religion ,Ha

Season ticket holders of sports teams get offers and discounts on various things that are not available to the casual fan. A customer who eats every Friday night at the same restaurant may get a preferred table. It works the same way in the escort business as any other.

A anecdote a few years back I was a great Patron of 'Le Chateau Frontenac "always taking high end executive suits ,suits that are not even offered to the general public ,The Hotel General Manager was Greeting me at the doorstep at my arrival ,and showed to my room by the head Concierge ,they organized my activities reserved my seats and more ,One I invited a Group of friends and families to the high end restaurant at 'Le Chateau "
and the executive Chef Famous Jean Soular came at my table and introduced himself to my group took our meal order and prepared even items not on the menu .
Special wines of "Le Chateau "Celliers was made available a Chateau Lafitte Rothschild 1961 a amazing Bordeaux for those who know wines ,anyhow VVip treatment is different it doesn't necessarily cost less but they are special privilege attach to the etiquette

Some clients are important because they are good sources of business. This is the way the world turns and it has always been that way in every business. My regular paying clients who refer business to me call me whenever they want and I help then au gratis with their legal jams. The average joe who cold calls does not get such a deal.

Yes just this week I was with a friend on Thursday and told me he needed to meet a lawyer for specific needs ,I know many lawyers ,he ask me how long it would take ,I called her private cell ,the meeting was set for next day last Friday .
This Spring and Summer I had a Shareholders agreement to negotiate ,So I email my tax lawyer witch I have known since he was a junior with the firm he is now the Director of the firm ,they did really really took good care of me and my interest they drafted the final copy on Easter Sunday a lawyer working on Easter Sunday !Hummm !Its not for regular Joe's that is for sure!

Any notion that all clients are created equal for purposes of booking privileges with debutantes or anyone else is nonsense not rooted in reality.

Strangely however many hobbyists seem to believe that escort agencies have different rules than other businesses and it should be a strict first come and first serve basis. I have my own opinions as to why these attitudes prevail but that is a subject for another thread.

This was the topic of one of my threads ,Do agencies have Favs list ,The answer is of course ?
Does better bookings prevail ?

Cheers all



Booker

 

[BookerL]

Hi Aspen and all

"Fucking the payroll" never a good idea ,either financially or physically,

You should not say that escort usually sleeps with the agency owner, it is not part of the process of hiring someone. Some girls do, or the booker is going to try to hit on you, but this is not part of it. And he won't fire you if you don't want to. If he does, well to bad for him the agency is probably not worth it of a girl working there. It pissed me off when people think that the girl most sleep with thd agency owner, even if they are debutant or nof. I've never did so in all 3 agencies and never will and even if they pay me. Sleeping with your coworker is not a good idea, with any kind of job you have.

Does it happen ? Obviously yes guys hit on girls and girls hit on guys ,in escort agencies is no different ,but like Aspen says Sleeping with your coworker is not a good idea ,
Some girls wants to sleep with the bookers to have more calls ,hence more money ,but it usually have the reverse effect as the guy becomes jealous or the girl, when she learns that the booker is sleeping with another girls ,shit hits the fan ,I have known many bookers crossing the line and many girls ,also knew many girls refusing too like Aspen

And coming back to the subject of this thread. Yes usually debutante going to have as her first clients regular, its better for the agency or the girl so she can be at ease and feel more comfortable with someone that the agency know, the client knows he has to be more patient if she doesnt know well what to do and understand the situation.

This is also another reason

Great reading your comments Aspen



Warmest Regards



Booker

 

[Halloween Mike]

You should not say that escort usually sleeps with the agency owner, it is not part of the process of hiring someone.It pissed me off when people think that the girl most sleep with thd agency owner, even if they are debutant or nof. I've never did so in all 3 agencies and never will and even if they pay me. Sleeping with your coworker is not a good idea, with any kind of job you have.

Well that was intended MOSTLY as a joke. I know there is agency that does it, others that are totally against it. My personal view is that money is money, and it can actually help a lot. I know for sure its easier for me to recommand or describe a girl i saw intimatly than just by what i heard... Not saying they should do it for free tough, they should be paid like its any customer. But in the context of the thread i was mostly joking about it, how i find absurd that some clients want a girl "green as grass" if i can say. Like she is fresher than a girl thats been in the business for years.

 

[hungry101]

I once called John of Eleganza to make a booking. He was in rare form. He said "I got [x] new girls working this week and if I send them to the wrong guys their done."
I thought hmmm, there must be a breaking in process. John was screening the clients to send the new girls to. The owners must receive feedback from the girls. They know the clients that put the girls at ease and the ones that do not have much of a personality etc. John probably would not have sent the new girls to a cold call or someone that was a new customer that John of E had no data. He did not want to risk sending her to someone that was a real turn off.

But EB is correct. Businesses segment out their clientele in order to retain customers and maximize profits. It is intentional and a formal process. A fortune 500 company will make an effort to understand buying behaviors and they will respond to a clients needs a certain way. I think a good agency owner will employs these same methods without even realizing it. If you don't think that is fair then go to the DMV and the US Post Office or stand in line at the free clinic. There, they are fair. See how you like that. I will not use an agency that operates like the DMV.

I remember that John would make recommendations that were spot on. I also feel that Mike and James at G4U are the same way. I think that we have a report just like many of you do with your favorite agency owners. Hell, I think next time I will just say, Mike just send a girl to X hotel at Z time and nothing more and he will probably pick a better girl than I would.

 

[Merlot]

Gentlemen,

I always wondered if agencies keep SPs new to the business for select and regular clients before enabling them to be booked by everyone else?

It makes perfect sense to send a debutante to a certain type of client who will be gentle and very likely to be positive in any review. I was handed an offer like this about 9 to 10 years ago by a small upstart agency to be the first to meet one of their new ladies for a small discount. Knowing the owner well I'm sure he was very confident the results and the review would be an advantage to the lady and the agency. I declined the offer because I had strong favorites I preferred. In my view a getting a bargain is not the measure of a successful meeting. That is about quality.

Another time I called a long standing agency looking for a recommendation from them because all my favorites of the time were either booked or not working and the night was getting late. They offered me a debutante on her first booking. I thought it was very unusual a luck of the draw kind of call. Maybe others just didn't want to risk seeing an unknown with no service record. There wasn't any discount offer, but the description was very appealing I met her and the encounter went well, considering it was her first time. She was a sweetheart with good potential, so the review was positive for the circumstances.

I'm not sure what "select" or "preferred" means in this case. Being a regular who has a lot of money may be preferred considering profits, but they may have a number of factors that could creates problems for new ladies who are very nervous and unsure about what they are doing like an entitled attitude. Typical special "regular" or "preferred" status would not mean anything if they were not a suitable type of person. Of course an owner could go to someone because of some sort of "guaranteed" review, but it would still have to be with the right sort of person. One type of preferred client might not nearly measure up in this case as others.

...like they have the "privilege" to be the first... somewhat taking her "sp virginity". This is pretty funny to me cause no matter if your the first client, chances are she had sex with many dude...

True. :lol: It's hilarious that even in this business the dream never dies.

A fortune 500 company will make an effort to understand buying behaviors and they will respond to a clients needs a certain way. I think a good agency owner will employs these same methods without even realizing it.

All true. But some clients misread their position. Some might think there's a status bubble around themselves that misses what their standing and value really is. As we have seen recently in the NFL that special pass can be lost very quickly if you misread your true position and create issues that fool with potential profits.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[BookerL]

Hi all
A true story about SP virginity and real life my partner called me and said Booker I have the cutess right now so call one of our regulars and Book her she needs $$$$$ now
She was 18 years old real age not escort age 5'9" 135Lbs natural F long blond hair to her butt and a killer smile I pick her up brought her to our regular goes in confirms the call ,40 minutes later my client calls and says she still isn't undressed so I said please let me talk to her .
I ask her whats the problem she said I never undressed in front of a man before !
Ok
His virginity a plus ?
We all know the answer!


Cheers



Booker

 

[arthur_vandelay]

Just curious, how exactly do agencies identify their frequent / VIP customers?

I suppose some clients "opt-in" to being tracked by using their MERB handles or other alias with the bookers, and are happy to receive the benefits.

But for those of us who book anonymously via text message or phone, should we assume the agency is keeping some record of the phone number, at least as an OK client?

This is an academic issue for me, since I book anonymously using a Text+ number. But I am curious about this. I've noticed at least one booker has welcomed me as a repeat customer on only my 2nd time using the agency, which was a little surprising.

Also, sometimes agencies say they are being selective with certain debutantes. I'm not sure if they are really being extra selective in these cases. But since I've used a couple agencies 5+ times in the past year and am always a real gentlemen with the girls, wondering if I qualify for this special duty?

Also, depending on how the law changes and how it is enforced, this could become a more critical issue.

 

[EagerBeaver]

If you book enough with an agency they know who you are regardless of how you identify yourself. And if you are a good or bad client they know, they get feedback from the girls and whether you are a telephone number or an alias, if you are a 5'9" bald headed guy with a Anchor tattoo on his thigh guess what, you are the 5'9" bald guy with an anchor tattoo on your thigh unless of course you use disguises when you see the girls.

Every client has some distinguishing characteristic and it could be a voice, a name, a tat, a tiny dick, a ring, anything. Don't think people don't notice such things when they have a girl at your place every week.

Most of the regulars are locals, some receive at their own place and it is pretty easy to ID a client when you take a girl to the same address every Friday. It is the client who lives at that address and his name or number he is using is likely going to be the same.

There was an agency owner who identified me by voice even when I did not tell him my name and I used a prepaid cell and had not spoken to him for a year. He was talented at voice recognition and my New England accent is not going to ever change.

Illusions of anonymity are much like illusions of GFE from an escort. It is an illusion that is created but in reality does not exist.

 

[arthur_vandelay]

EB, yes in reality I'm sure that is all true. Especially for locals. And since this is currently a completely legal activity, I don't think it is a big deal.

But seems to me there is a lack of transparency about what info is being tracked. For example, and not to single them out, I've noticed Satin Dreamz states the following in their FAQs:
Q - Do you keep my info on file?
A - As much as we would like to keep your info after spending a great time with you, we never do. Your information is destroyed as soon as we step out of our meeting.

Maybe BookerL or HM can provide an inside view. Depending on how the laws change, I think the agencies are going to need to be a lot more clear about what records they are keeping. . .

 

[arthur_vandelay]

Arthur, some of us are hobbying quite often and have preferred agencies. Some of us develop good reputation with our preferred agencies cause the girls are giving feedback to the agency. Some of us certainly use their Merb handle to get preferred treatment and it's all fair. Good clients, good reviews, good business.

Yes, makes sense and I'm not disagreeing with regular customers receiving VIP treatment. I'm more curious about how you get to be a VIP (i.e. need to use a handle or alias when booking) and whether being tracked is by default or opt-in.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Agencies probably don't keep personal info on clients. Can you explain why they would want to do so? It is not in their interest to keep any paper trail of prostitution activity or client lists that would tend to be used as subpoena-able evidence of an illegal cash business. It would not make any sense but that is different than not knowing who one's clients are.

I do business with an agency which does keep records on clients. All clients are asked to select a code. A name and a birth date. For example, let's say my code is Ralph October 1. They have all appointment infos saved under that name. If there is an LE bust guess what, Ralph October 1 can't be subpoenaed because a code is not something that exists as a subpoenable evidence. In fact it is not evidence of anything. In fact I know a number of NYC agencies that operate this way. Eliot Spitzer only existed as a number on the Empire Club's books - client #9.

I am aware of one incall doing business the same way in Montreal.

Art, your questions imply that agencies are morons who are incapable of manufacturing discretion and I am here to tell you half of New York City's agencies probably use the above system which is 100% protective of privacy. It is called systemic discretion-you are on the books as a fiction

 

[hungry101]

EB, I dealt with an agency in Vegas that does the same thing. They take the first two initials of your first name and the last two initials of your last name. That is it.

I don't remember. Then how did they get Spitzer?

 

[EagerBeaver]

They were never investigating spritzer for prostitution. They were investigating his money transfers and thought he was laundering illegal campaign money. That is what led to EC. The money Spitzer was thought to be laundering was his own money! He used his own money. Spitzer was never charged with anything because they never had anything on him. The books only identified him as client 9! And client 9 banged some hookers and never took off his socks.

Spitzer did make banking transfer mistakes but they ultimately became the EC's problem because it was unreported income.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I've noticed Satin Dreamz states the following in their FAQs:
Q - Do you keep my info on file?
A - As much as we would like to keep your info after spending a great time with you, we never do. Your information is destroyed as soon as we step out of our meeting.

Maybe BookerL or HM can provide an inside view. Depending on how the laws change, I think the agencies are going to need to be a lot more clear about what records they are keeping. . .

I can't speak for satin dreamz obviously, but from what i saw, when people called with there real cell phone or home phone or whatever, they would be save in the phone under there "john alias", merb handle if they provided one or such... Its just a matter of it being more convenient. Cause they do keep a black list, of course, but also a "good list". Its easier to know who you are talking to before starting the booking. For exemple if i knew a guy would call from the south shore, and im in total rush and can't afford to loose a driver, i prefer to tell him right away than go on with the booking and when its time to give the adress... ah sorry man can't go there at the moment.

But there is also one other thing, some girls like to know where they going to, so if you mention to them they already saw that client before, they feel at ease and its a great start.

Maybe some agencies do not save any numbers, but i always book and take into consideration they probably will. Personally i am a good client, i have nothing to fear of being identitied... Actually i prefer the booker tell the girl "don't worry, that guy is cool", again she is in better trust right from the beginning. If you want full privacy, there is always ways to it, like using a bogus phone, booking at different hotels each time and so on. Of course the guy booking from his house will get easily recognized with time.

As for keeping notes or whatever...i dunno. I used to gives the booking sheets for the week to the owner and he would pay me what he owned me and what he did with them was not of my concern. What i would do PERSONALLY if i was an owner, i would not keep an extensive booking sheets, but of course you have to take notes for pre-booking, stuff like that. Once the weak is done, its done, you can count how much you made, how much the girls made, after that there no real nessary to me to keep the sheets.. destroy them

But to think your booking is erased right after it happened... thats a bit sheep minding. Even before i booked i was expecting them to keep some tracks.

 

[arthur_vandelay]

I'm not trying to imply anything, but what I know for sure is an agency I have only used twice, booking anonymously via text for outcall to different hotels, was able to identify me as a repeat customer - presumably using my phone number. There was also a thread not too long ago about someone receiving unsolicited text ads from an agency he used before. This would be impossible if all agencies used the protocol described by Satin Dreamz above. Since this is currently a legal activity and I use a dedicated Text+ number, I am not personally concerned by this. But others in different circumstances might want to be pay heed.

I'm also wondering if there is any benefit to me to actively use an alias when booking. I'm not a local and probably would never use the same agency more than 6-7 times per year, but maybe that makes me "bronze elite" and good for an occasional space available upgrade?