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You're entitled to your opinion. So am I. It's my opinion that the only difference between the KKK & the Tea Party is that the KKK aren't as ignorant & have slightly more education. And one more thing....the KKK aren't all Republicans.

p.s. I'm not defending the KKK, by the way. I hate them as much as i hate the Tea Party scumbags.

Let's see. Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln was a Republican. Lincoln ran against Douglas, who was for Slavery. Douglas was a Democrat.

Ok. That was 150 years ago.

Let's pull up a more recent example. William J. Fulbright was an Arkansas Democrat and a U.S. Senator. He was a Segragationist. Fulbright signed The Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's historic 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. He subsequently joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as well as voting against the 1965 Voting Rights Act. However, during the Nixon administration Fulbright voted for a civil rights bill and led the charge against confirming Nixon's conservative Supreme Court nominees Clement Haynsworth and Harold Carswell.

Bill Clinton is a Democrat. Bill Clinton was U.S. President and an admirer of William Fullbright. In fact, Clinton was a protege of Fulbright.

The Senate passed the Civil Rights Act Public Law 88-352 by a 73 to 27 roll call vote. Six Republicans and 21 Democrats held firm and voted against passage.

Since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats.

In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.

I admire the Tea Parties. They are not racists. They are patriots. I am offended that you use such language to describe citizens who are worried about the direction their country is going want to become politically involved. Freedom of Speech and Right to redress greviences is an American right (1st in the Bill of Rights).
 
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Interesting article, Merlot, but not everything they stated really happened. The Democrats really never delivered on their threat of Deem and Passing of the Senate Bill. They got the 60 votes before Brown was elected. Sen. Lieberman and Sanders, both Independents joined the Democrats to make the vote 60-39 the day after Christmas 2009. Brown was elected Jan. 22.

The House took its only option to pass any Healthcare Bill voted on by both Chambers. They voted on the Senate bill sidetracking any need for a Reconciliation process so that Brown would not have a chance to block the vote.

Currently, they are still trying to admend the passed Senate bill by Reconcilliation.

It was a politically savy move by the Democrats. And they no doubt twisted a lot of arms of their own Congressmen and women who are vulnerable of being defeated in November. It will be interesting to see what happens in Novemeber. The majority of people did not like either Bill, and the Democrats forged ahead. It is definitely a high risk gamble politically.
 

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While the Tea Party movement is very heavy with racists, I'd probably stop short of comparing them with the KKK. Yes, they're racist. Yes, they're extremely stupid. But they haven't yet shown themselves to be murderers.

I didn't compare the Tea Fuckers to Nazis. I compared them to today's KKK. Quite a few Senators (and likely Congressmen) were once members of the KKK. As far as i'm aware of, they never murdered anyone. Has David Duke murdered anyone?
 

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Let's see. Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln was a Republican. Lincoln ran against Douglas, who was for Slavery. Douglas was a Democrat.

Ok. That was 150 years ago.

I don't disagree with you. But the GOP isn't the party it once was. This is no longer the party of Richard Nixon (okay, maybe to a degree) and Ronald Reagan. It's a party that is on it's way out, destroyed by the fringe element in the party. The radicals & extreme right-wingers. Basically, they've become an anti-ethinic party (okay, a racist party). A party full of corrupt politicians. The gay politician's party. Yet, they are most anti-gay party. Go figure.

They are just not a likeable party. I'd be ashamed to be a Republican today. It's a corrupt party who's lost touch with reality which is being led by a bunch of radicals who'll eventually lead to the once powerful party's extinction. It's the party of anti-americanism.
 

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Hello all,

Geeeez, SK must be getting fat on popcorn with all the over the top silliness going on in this thread. Name-calling, demagoguery, and baiting. I can't tell if this board is green or blue with this thread. Okay, I purged a bit. Back to the subject.

Too late Merlot, by the way, GFY!

Toodles,

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I don't disagree with you. But the GOP isn't the party it once was. This is no longer the party of Richard Nixon (okay, maybe to a degree) and Ronald Reagan. It's a party that is on it's way out, destroyed by the fringe element in the party. The radicals & extreme right-wingers. Basically, they've become an anti-ethinic party (okay, a racist party). A party full of corrupt politicians. The gay politician's party. Yet, they are most anti-gay party. Go figure.

They are just not a likeable party. I'd be ashamed to be a Republican today. It's a corrupt party who's lost touch with reality which is being led by a bunch of radicals who'll eventually lead to the once powerful party's extinction. It's the party of anti-americanism.

I don't understand where you are coming from. Who are these "racist" out on the fringe Republicans? Don't name talk show hosts. Name the politicians, because they are in position of influence and the ability to vote, make laws and policy. And what have these people who you identify as Anti-American done to be Anti-American and racists.

I have not seen this. Please talk specifics so I understand where you are coming from.
 

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Ah, fogedaboutit.......i've wasted too much bandwidth in this thread. I don't feel like arguing anymore & it's useless. I've made my last post & heading back to the sports section.

You can't be specific? If you cannot be specific, then do not compare the Tea Party or Republicans to the KKK, which are despicable. The Tea Party is not racist. The Republican Party is not Racist. The head of the Republican party is black. His name is Michael Steele.

Every post I make, I am specific and give facts to back up my opinion. But when statements are made without being backed up, it shows that those statements are meaningless.

I rest my case.

BTW, Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK. He is a Democrat.
 
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The head of the Republican party is black. His name is Michael Steele.
Actually, the simple fact that the Republicans would make a clown the head of their party for the sole reason that he is black makes a very good case for the fact that the party is racist. And that a number of Tea Partiers hurled racist epithets at black members of Congress and the Republican leaders said nothing is another.
 

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Actually, the simple fact that the Republicans would make a clown the head of their party for the sole reason that he is black makes a very good case for the fact that the party is racist. And that a number of Tea Partiers hurled racist epithets at black members of Congress and the Republican leaders said nothing is another.

Michael Steele is a fool? Why? Because he does not agree with your point of view? I guess you feel that way about any Black person who is conservative.

I guess you feel the same of Republicans Allen Keyes, Former Congressman J. C. Watts, Eldridge Cleaver, Larry Elder, Former Congressman George Washington Murray, Former Congressman Thomas Ezekiel Miller, First black U.S. Senator Hiram Rhodes Revels, and Walter Williams among scores more.

As for the alleged racial ephitets at black members of Congress, where's the video of this happening? There were news cameras and microphones everywhere and the media has not come up with any evidence of this happening. It is a good chance this never happened, or it would have been broadcasted already. And if it happened, it is despicable and so are the persons who said it. But do not slander a whole group for the actions of a couple of idiots.

How do feel about the bullet that went through Eric Cantor's office? Is that okay because he is a Republican?
 
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Jman, I have to object to this generalization about doctors raping the health care system.

Hello Merlot,

Sorry stepped off the green/blue merry-go-round for a few days to tend to real life and somehow missed your post.

You are right and the other night after a few Sam Adams and some popcorn while simultaneously in a foul mood, this was probably a poor choice of words. What I was trying to say was that the health care providers have had to learn to "manipulate" or "massage" the system in order to get paid for legitimate and needed services that they provided and were previously paid for...all because an insurance company (who now decides what care we get instead of the doctor) did not pay the bill because it was coded wrong or it was not an "approved" procedure.

The subject of people "bilking" or "raping" the system is an entirely separate issue.

Baseball anyone...?

Have fun,
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I find the tactics of the outspoken RNC'ers fascinating. You take a topic like this one, more or less congratulating the President on passing a very significant piece of difficult legislation with the point of view that doing so places him firmly as a historical figure due to the large amounts of opposition, and enormous amounts of poor incorrect communication (both parties equally) in a zero lag, hyper-connected media spin era. Love it or hate it, it IS an incredible achievement.

The thread goes on with some civil debate about the actual legacy that it will bring, some informative bantering about history, the legislation pro's and con's itself.

The true RNC'ers first comment: Obama the liar and Communist

A completely off topic, personal, and baiting spew, laden with the words liar, unconstitutional, Rogue, force, threat, prison, fines, sue, jackel, killed and suffer.

The point? To derail civility, and change the subject matter. It is the RNC way. Fear, hopelessness, revenge, punishment. Every possible button being pressed simultaneously. Then quite comically, to try and justify the reasoning, it more often then not ends up being that it is because they are concerned for THEIR countries liberties, and freedom.

For the past decade, the US has been on a bad acid trip, having been manipulated by leaders with the perfect balance of a horribly depleted compassion gene, and greed. That is over for the time being, yet some did not come down from the ledge. That is what remains in the RNC as they do not have the courage to do anything else.

President Obama's calm and sane approach is exactly what is needed. It may take him a while to get this across, but you cannot say that he is not trying. For that wholehearted honest effort to do good, I applaud him and do believe that he is our lifetime's historic leader.
 

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The Republican Party of today: Party of bigots, racists, homophobes, hate mongerers & inciters of violence? You be the judge

Health care reform anger takes a nasty, violent turn

Washington (CNN) -- Shots fired at a congressman's campaign headquarters. Windows smashed at Democratic offices across the country. A coffin placed on a lawmaker's lawn. Hate-filled voice mail messages left on members of Congress' phone lines.

Those are just some of the incidents reported since the House passed historic health care reform legislation Sunday -- a bill that became the law of the land.

The issue has unleashed a deep-seated anger from those worried about a government takeover of health care, and what they deem as the process being "rammed through" Congress.

James Leach, with the National Endowment for the Humanities, said that while many of the acts may be protected under First Amendment rights, "that doesn't mean that they're morally justified."

"And we have to think of ourselves as, 'what kind of people are we?' " Leach said. "Are we one people working together with rival thoughts, or are we enemies within? And I think there's something that's been let loose in American politics that has to be thought about."

That anger was visible in unruly protests by health care activists at the Capitol over the weekend.

Republican House members encouraged protesters outside and inside the House gallery, some of whom carried messages like "Vote no or else" or "If Brown won't stop it, a Browning will" -- a reference to newly elected Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown accompanied by a silhouette of a pistol.

But the anger has boiled over into physical and verbal threats. Windows have been smashed at Democratic offices in at least three states, and federal agents are investigating whether a cut gas line at the home of a Virginia congressman's brother was related to the lawmaker's yes vote.

Republicans have the right to be angry over the Democrat's health care bill, but "resorting to violent measures is exactly the wrong way to send a message," Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Thursday night.

Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-New York, confirmed Thursday that his district office in Queens received an envelope containing white powder and a threatening letter.

Later Thursday, Weiner told CNN that initial tests indicated the powder was not a biological agent, but that he still was awaiting final word from the New York Police Department. Workers at the office turned over their clothes for testing and were given protective suits before being allowed to go home a few hours later, Weiner said.

The FBI and other law enforcement agencies are now looking into the threats, and at least 10 House Democrats have been given extra security.

The voice mail has been vicious toward Michigan's Bart Stupak, who switched his vote to seal the deal for the bill. He has released one of the voice mails.

"Stupak, you are a lowlife, baby-murdering scumbag, pile of steaming crap. You're a cowardly punk, Stupak, that's what you are. You and your family are scum," an unidentified caller said. "That's what you are, Stupak. You are a piece of crap."

"Go to hell, you piece of [expletive deleted]" another caller said.

On Sunday, Democratic Rep. Russ Carnahan of Missouri had a coffin placed on his lawn, said his spokeswoman, Sarah Howard. She said Tea Party protesters at his office in St. Louis had a coffin with them and later brought it to his house. The coffin was later removed, she said.

Democratic congressional leaders have demanded Republicans join them in condemning a spate of threats and vandalism that has followed Sunday's vote on the health care system overhaul.

The top Republican in the House, Minority Leader John Boehner, condemned the threats and vandalism, telling reporters Thursday that it "should not be part of a political debate."

"There are ways for people to channel their anger, and they should do it in a constructive way," he said.

Liz Mair, a Republican consultant, said protesters "are unfortunately crossing a line."

"When we're talking about violence, vandalism, threats, that crosses a legal line, in addition to being in plain old bad taste," Mair said. "And I think that there's a lot that is in plain old bad taste that is going on."

Democrats aren't the only ones being targeted.

Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, said Thursday that a bullet had been fired through a window at his campaign office in Richmond, Virginia.

A Richmond police spokeswoman confirmed to CNN that a bullet was fired at the congressman's office. "We are investigating the circumstance surrounding it," spokeswoman Karla Peters said.

Cantor also said that he had received threatening messages but that he would not publicly release the messages out of concern that doing so would only incite further violence.

He also accused Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine and Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland -- a member of the Democratic House leadership -- of "fanning the flames" of violence by using threats that have been made against Democratic members "as political weapons."

"Enough is enough," Cantor said. "It has to stop."

Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse hit back against Cantor's claims.

"We disagree with the charge made by Rep. Cantor today that Democrats are using acts of violence for political gain," he said. "Let's be clear: Calling on Republican leaders who have contributed in part to this anger by wildly mischaracterizing the substance and motives of health reform to condemn these acts is entirely appropriate."
I have 27 people that are going to make sure that this b**** does not live to see her next term. Goodbye.

Another Republican -- Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida -- said in a news release Thursday that she received what appeared to be a death threat on her district office's voice mail.

"Just wanna let you know I have 27 people that are going to make sure that this b**** does not live to see her next term. Goodbye," the voice mail said, according to the release.

Brown-Waite said she contacted both the Capitol Police and the Hernando County sheriff, and they are "looking into the matter and subpoenaing telephone records."

At least one of the threats aimed at lawmakers appears to be racially based.

House Democratic Majority Whip James Clyburn, who is African-American, said he has received a fax in his office with a picture of a noose drawn on it and had threatening telephone calls at his home.

"We're giving aid and comfort to these people, and this stuff gets ratcheted up," Clyburn told CNN. "We in this Congress have got to come together in a bipartisan way and tamp this foolishness down. It doesn't make sense. That's not what a democracy is all about."

Democratic officials and liberal Web sites are also upset that Sarah Palin used an image of crosshairs in a Facebook post this week listing 20 vulnerable Democrats who voted for the legislation. She plans to target them this election year with money from her political action committee.

Palin's team is fighting claims that she is encouraging threats of violence. One House member mentioned her Facebook posting during a Wednesday meeting on safety concerns, a Democratic source told CNN's Dana Bash. Mention of the map brought audible groans to the room, the source said.


An adviser to Palin responded by pointing to several instances in which the former Alaska governor has urged supporters to focus their energies on civil debate and action at the ballot box, not extremist activities.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/25/congress.threats/index.html?hpt=T1
 
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But I find so much of the posts here over the top and blindly biased that it feels pointless to participate, even if some of the posts have been pretty thoughtful.

M,

I couldn't agree more. Frankly, it's been quite disqusting.

Cheers M, and thank you for your even tempered rationality.

Respectfully,
CS
 

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Outrageous stereotyping. PERIOD!
Perhaps, but true. Have you been reading the news over the last six months? Have you seen the racist placards at the teaparty rallies? Has a white president's citizenship ever been questioned by high ranking officials of the opposite party? If you think this is about anything but race, you're not paying attention.
 

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President Obama's calm and sane approach is exactly what is needed. It may take him a while to get this across, but you cannot say that he is not trying. For that wholehearted honest effort to do good, I applaud him and do believe that he is our lifetime's historic leader.

Amen and amen.

Nothing in what I wrote said anything about my approval of any hate talk that followed. If you haven't picked up on it by now I'm a very peaceful person who condones violence in any and every way.

Editing suggestion: Change "condones" to "condemns".
 

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Hello all,



Rumples, let me place here again the same quote I commented on that you are criticizing me for being critical of:



Now Rumples, please show me where I was referring to the "Tea Party" based on the passage Doc posted and where it refers to the Tea Party. Waiting...........................................................tick tick tick.......................ahem. Well, I think I gave you enough time. Obviously, I was referring to the thoughtless stereotyped slandering of Republicans as a whole by the author. It's totally ridiculous as well as being a short-sighted hypocritical exercise in the same sort of hate the author seeks to paint all Republicans with. So I wasn't referring to the "Tea Party" as you suggested.

You're going to be waiting a few days Merlot, Rumples was banned today for comments in this thread. What a surprise. :rolleyes:
 

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I find nothing good or comforting about being right about this; just sad and sickened. The Left says the Republican Party is full of "bigots, racists, homophobes, hate mongerers & inciters of violence" and the Tea Party is worse than the KKK, while the Right says the President is a socialist, a communist, a fascist and Uncle Tom ( the last two refers to placards with the Hitler mustache and a minstrel characterization carried by the Tea Party extremists) and a traitor who should be impeached. Put it all together and you have a manically psychotic insanity perfectly devoid of reason, sense, and certainly truth.

Well said Merlot.

What is truly sad here IMHO is to see the growth of a mentality in which our country would take a giant leap backwards into the 19th century all over again....particularly in this day and age when we should be working together towards a common solution. Sure its cool that we have our differences, but each side needs to respect those differences in an effort to better understand them and work towards compromise...not to splinter and run right or left.

What happens with the extreme split then is the need to populate support for the extreme views by attempting to draw from the center mass, so the rhetoric begins. The saddest part is that then these extremist try to popularize their view and spread the word using disinformation or in some cases outright lies. Sadder than that is there is a growing, uneducated segment of the American populous that will believe anything they see int the media or read on the internet.:rolleyes:

But then again, if enough extremists run right and left the majority will be left in the center and rule...we can only hope the enough cool heads remain in the critical mass to prevails calmly and wisely.

Have fun...here is to cooler heads prevailing :cool:,

Jman
 

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Perhaps, but true. Have you been reading the news over the last six months? Have you seen the racist placards at the teaparty rallies? Has a white president's citizenship ever been questioned by high ranking officials of the opposite party? If you think this is about anything but race, you're not paying attention.

Gee, you brought up Obama's citizenship, (or lack of it). He has not produced his birth certificate which would end the speculation.

And yes, a white Presidential candidate's citizenship was questioned by Democrats. His name is John McCain, who was born on a military base.

The Tea Partiers have been peaceful. Do you have pictures of the racist placards? Can you post them, please?
 
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