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Hello again daydreamer41,

Perhaps your mystification would be satisfied with a little more research...and maybe a little more of an open mind.

While your list of some of the basis points of foundation are all correct (and we agree on them) the Declaration of Independence also contains a few choice words about natural and human rights, freedom from tyranny, all men being created equally, and life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Any of those ring a bell? The original drafts even had passages that were not friendly to slavery but those had to be stricken from the document because of threatened non-ratification from the southern colonies (a move which later came back to haunt this country).

What the far right is promoting right now and what was shown in the pics presented by Merlot are a direct contradiction of the points I mention. What you are presenting in the info you presented is the historical viewpoints of a far left group that rejected the leadership policies of one man. There is a large difference to me between attacking a race, religion or culture vs. attacking the leadership of one person.
Hope that helps.

Jman

This makes no sense to me. Attacking the leadership of one person by advocating the murder of a President vs. attacking a race, religion or culture? I know who the President was - Bush. But what race, religion or culture are you talking about?
 

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Daydreamer:

You should do yourself a huge favor & stay out of this thread. You're not earning any points & many of your statements are absolutely ridiculous.
 

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We do not have such a shortage of doctors like you do in Canada.
First, Merlot is not from Canada. And what gives you the impression that Canada has a shortage? I spend a lot of time in Canada, know quite a few Canadians and none that I know is unhappy with the system.
Intelligent people, like Physicians, have low tolerance levels for government bureaucrats and will quit once the morons start telling them what to do and how to treat patients.
So you think they prefer insurance company bureaucrats telling them what to do and who they can treat and who not to treat because they have a pre-existing condition or they've used up their limits?
 

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Intelligent people, like Physicians, have low tolerance levels for government bureaucrats and will quit once the morons start telling them what to do and how to treat patients. And less younger people will want to become doctors also.

And i suppose those people with 'low tolerance levels' might also wind up in jail like Dr. Jack Kervokian because they don't see eye-to-eye with the 'government' in how they treat their patients?

In many countries, like in Canada, it's not the 'government' that oversees how doctors treat their patients. This is done by 'bodies' such as the 'College of Physicians & Surgeons', which is composed of physicians & surgeons who oversee that doctors operating in their provinces/countries are treating patients within the guidelines that a physician should perform. They also deal with complaints in regards to physicians & deal with discipline when required. They also suspend medical licenses & have pretty much jurisdiction over doctors performing within their respective provinces. They are an independent group free of governmental interference. In short, they are a body that regulates the practice of medecine to protect & serve the public. Each Canadian province has its own college of physicians & surgeons.

http://www.cpso.on.ca/

As for 'less younger people will want to become doctors', that's pure bullshit. If that's the reason why they'd want to become doctors, then they shouldn't be doctors at all. Many doctors i know on a personal level have done it because they care about people & want to make a difference. A few are in it for the money & the lifestyle it brings, but they've never given a second thought to the way their health care system operates.

And let's be real here. If indeed there are less Americans going to medical schools because of the changes (which is ridiculous), then medical students from elsewhere will simply come & take their place. And if there's a shortage of doctors, there will be a flood of doctors from other countries willing to come to work in the US.
 
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I spend a lot of time in Canada, know quite a few Canadians and none that I know is unhappy with the system.

Unfortunately for a good friend of mine she had a "simple" procedure done to her leg and since October has still had nothing but problems with infections, bleeding, pussing, etc. The level of Canadian healthcare and what we have here in Boston is like comparing the NHL to a high school freshman team.
 

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The level of Canadian healthcare and what we have here in Boston is like comparing the NHL to a high school freshman team.
True enough, though I'd go one step further. For those in the US who have none at all, it's more like comparing an NHL team to a Pee Wee midget team.
 

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Unfortunately for a good friend of mine she had a "simple" procedure done to her leg and since October has still had nothing but problems with infections, bleeding, pussing, etc. The level of Canadian healthcare and what we have here in Boston is like comparing the NHL to a high school freshman team.

SPK, I agree with some qualifiers. Low level care of minor issues seems to be served better in the Canadian System as entry into the system seems easier. It's well accepted that higher quality is more readily available in the US, as long as dollars are not at issue
 

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I agree to a point CS depending on what minor issues we're talking about. I've heard alot of complaints from people that go to the hospital in Canada and wait for many hours on end just to be seen in the ER. I know that in my area the wait to be seen has been shortened immensely, in that regard, I think the US system is better served.
 

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SPK, I agree with some qualifiers. Low level care of minor issues seems to be served better in the Canadian System as entry into the system seems easier. It's well accepted that higher quality is more readily available in the US, as long as dollars are not at issue
I've heard quite the reverse from my Canadian friends, CS. What I've been told is that those who don't need immediate treatment find themselves having to wait, while those in need of immediate care get it immediately.
 

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I've heard quite the reverse from my Canadian friends, CS. What I've been told is that those who don't need immediate treatment find themselves having to wait, while those in need of immediate care get it immediately.

I'm talking about clinic type of stuff. Like, I cut my foot and need a stitch or two. Cuts, bruises, flu, cold, low level stuff. Low level preventive care seems easier in Canada also. Could be I have the wrong perspective.
 

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I've heard alot of complaints from people that go to the hospital in Canada and wait for many hours on end just to be seen in the ER.

This can be true depending on the regions where the hospitals are located. In cities, it seems to be the norm that the waiting times are quite longer than they would be in rural hospitals due to the difference in population. It also will usually differ from province to province where the health care systems are run somewhat differently from one another. Some provinces have more money being shifted to health care, others less. For example, the health care system in provinces such as Ontario & Alberta are considered by many to be much better than the one in Quebec. Of course, you'll always have people who'll come up with different opinions about it.

One of the main reasons why waiting times are so long in the ER is because too many people are using the ER as a clinic. The ER should be for emergency cases only. Ninety percent of the time, people who use it are there for less important medical problems, such as colds, prescription refills, etc. These people should be better dealt with at medical clinics & by their own physicians. But another problem that arises out of this is that many people don't have any family doctors & are told to go to clinics or ER's for treatment or other medical needs. ER's are where everyone dumps their overflow of patients onto them & we wonder why waiting times are long & emergency staff burn out.
 

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I've heard quite the reverse from my Canadian friends, CS. What I've been told is that those who don't need immediate treatment find themselves having to wait, while those in need of immediate care get it immediately.

This is also quite true. When you show up at an ER, you get triaged by a nurse. The higher priority cases get to be seen first, while the lower priority cases get to the end of the line. Like it should be. Of course, the cases that you mostly hear about in the news are cases that were either wrongly triaged or whose conditions decreased during the waiting period. I attribute this to simple human error or coincidence.
 

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One of the main reasons why waiting times are so long in the ER is because too many people are using the ER as a clinic. The ER should be for emergency cases only. Ninety percent of the time, people who use it are there for less important medical problems, such as colds, prescription refills, etc. These people should be better dealt with at medical clinics & by their own physicians. But another problem that arises out of this is that many people don't have any family doctors & are told to go to clinics or ER's for treatment or other medical needs.
This is quite similar to the problem in the US. What makes the problem in the US worse, however, is that there are 42 million people who have neither insurance nor family doctors. These people create a tremendous burden on the healthcare system as ER care is much more expensive and the taxpayers wind up footing the bill. The bill just past will ease this problem significantly.
 

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This is quite similar to the problem in the US. What makes the problem in the US worse, however, is that there are 42 million people who have neither insurance nor family doctors. These people create a tremendous burden on the healthcare system as ER care is much more expensive and the taxpayers wind up footing the bill. The bill just past will ease this problem significantly.

This is one of the areas of the bill that seems well thought out. I hope execution matches the thought.
 

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I'm throwing this question to anyone in-the-know & it's for my own personal curiosity:

"Are there any Tea party members that are black or latino? Or are they all caucasian?"

p.s. I just saw a tv report on them & they seem so terribly misinformed.
 

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Obama approval up in wake of health care victory

Washington (CNN) – Passage of the landmark health care bill appears to have boosted President Barack Obama's approval rating, but it has not affected his re-election chances so far, according to a new national poll.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday indicates that 51 percent of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing in the White House, with 48 percent saying they disapprove. That 51 percent approval rating is up five points from a week ago, before Congress approved the health care reform bill and the president signed the legislation into law. Four in ten respondents say they disapprove because Obama is too liberal and 6 percent say they the president is not liberal enough.
 

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Tea Party activist defends against critics

Some critics portray them as uneducated and an inarticulate band of activists with little knowledge of politics

St. George, Utah (CNN) – Supporters of the Tea Party movement said Monday that critics have unfairly portrayed them as an uneducated and inarticulate band of activists with little knowledge of politics.

Mitzi Butler, an area coordinator of the Tea Party Express Tour, chastised critics who describe her fellow grassroots activists as, "a bunch of hillbillies with no teeth, and [say] we're stupid."

"We are not stupid," she said in an interview with CNN as the tour was preparing to pull into St. George, a picturesque Utah city nestled in a valley of cliffs. "We are well versed. And I think we're smarter than what we've been sending to represent us in Congress."

The cross country political tour began this past weekend in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's hometown of Searchlight, Nevada and made stops in Arizona before heading to St. George, a city of about 65,000 people. While the Tea Party movement does not officially align itself with the Republican Party, it champions similar goals: less government, less taxes and the defeat of Democrats, such as Reid, in November.

"We want to get our message out to all of America," said Tiffiny Ruegner, director of Field Operations for Our Country Deserves Better PAC, which is overseeing the tour.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was the headliner Saturday in Reid's hometown, where she decried big government and criticized the initiatives being promoted by President Obama and the congressional Democrats. Ruegner echoed Palin's theme about the expansion of government and said that it is becoming far more intrusive in people's lives. Specifically, Ruegner said she was worried about what the future held for her 8-year-old son.

"I want him to grow up in the same country I grew up in," she said. "And I feel like it's slipping away."

The cross country tour ends in Washington on April 15, the deadline for people to file their taxes.
 
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