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"David Ortiz's nickname in the Red Sox clubhouse isn't Big Papi, it's Cooperstown. Which begs the question: Does Ortiz, a member of the PED club, get lumped in with Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire and friends. Ortiz is lovable, but is he that lovable?"-------Steve Simmons, Toronto Sun
 

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"David Ortiz's nickname in the Red Sox clubhouse isn't Big Papi, it's Cooperstown. Which begs the question: Does Ortiz, a member of the PED club, get lumped in with Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire and friends. Ortiz is lovable, but is he that lovable?"-------Steve Simmons, Toronto Sun
"You may have a personal rule that, if someone who took PEDs, they should not be in the Hall of Fame. We’ve handled these arguments here several times before and have shown them to often be disingenuous and unfair. Maybe nothing will change your mind, but know that there are already Hall of Famers who took PEDs and know that the accusations made against Ortiz are perhaps the thinnest that have been lodged against any player. And know that, in the past decade, he has never tested positive for PEDs."
 

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How about a little poll to liven up the off-season. Here's a question for us all to take a little shot at: What is the price that the World Champs will pay to put Giancarlo Stanton in a Red Sox uniform next year?

How about Henry Owens, Felix Doubront, Will Middlebrooks and a couple of mid-level prospects. Dealing Owens would be painful, but there's no way the Marlins could possibly turn this deal down.
 

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Stanton would be a nice score for the lucky Red Sox, especially considering that next year will literally be a write off for them, what I mean by that is what are the chances of them repeating, the odds are against them, I'm also hearing rumors of Santana and Jimenez to the Blue Jays which would be a nice score for them.
 

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I'm also hearing rumors of Santana and Jimenez to the Blue Jays which would be a nice score for them.
Joe, you gotta stop listening to those voices in your head.

I mean by that is what are the chances of them repeating, the odds are against them.
With as many good teams as there are in baseball, the chances of any good one winning are small. I'd say the Sox chances are about 1 in 10. Stanton would increase them. The Sox have the players to get him without emptying out the farm system. The Yankees? 1 in 30.
 

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Terry Francona named American League's top manager

NEW YORK -- Two championships and eight successful seasons in Boston brought Terry Francona exactly zero first-place votes in Manager of the Year balloting.

It took him one year with the surprising Cleveland Indians to bag the prize.

Francona and Clint Hurdle of the Pittsburgh Pirates won the Manager of the Year awards Tuesday after guiding their small-budget teams to charming turnarounds.

In a close vote by the Baseball Writers' Association of America panel, Francona edged old friend John Farrell of the World Series champion Red Sox 112 points to 96 for the American League honor.

"I have a feeling he wouldn't trade what they did for this any day of the week," Francona said on a conference call from Tucson, Ariz.

Hurdle was a runaway winner in the NL, selected first on 25 of 30 ballots after taking the Pirates to the playoffs in their first winning season since 1992.

"It is so rewarding for me to see what's happened, the synergy in the city," Hurdle said in Pittsburgh. "To be a small part of a group that's able to bring joy at so many different levels -- that's what's rewarding to me in life."

It was the first Manager of the Year honor for Francona, even though -- in an interesting twist -- he steered the Red Sox to World Series titles in 2004 and 2007. During his initial season with the Indians, he directed them to a 24-win improvement and their first playoff berth in six years.

They lost the AL wild-card game to Tampa Bay, but voting is conducted before the postseason.

Francona said he called Farrell, a longtime colleague and once his pitching coach in Boston, on Tuesday morning because he thought it was funny they were up against each other as finalists for the award.

If they heard such news years ago, Francona said, "both of us would have laughed each other out of the room."

Hurdle also was quick with a self-deprecating joke after he won.

"There's guys laughing all over the place," he said in an interview on MLB Network. "The players know so many times this season we'd have a big series, getting together just trying to break the ice I'd tell them, 'Hey, look guys, you've got to step it up, play big this week because I'm going to get outmanaged. I can tell you one thing that's going to happen: I'll get outmanaged. So really step it up.' And they did. They believed me every series."

Just like Francona, the 56-year-old Hurdle won Manager of the Year for the first time. His highest finish had been third in 2007, when he led Colorado to the World Series.

Don Mattingly of the NL West champion Los Angeles Dodgers came in second and Fredi Gonzalez of the NL East champion Atlanta Braves was third.

The only other Pittsburgh manager to win was Jim Leyland in 1990 and 1992, the bookends to three consecutive division titles for the Pirates.

After that, they endured a record 20 straight losing seasons -- the longest drought in any of the four major professional sports -- before going 94-68 this year to capture an NL wild card.

Riding a wave of excitement from a rejuvenated fan base in a city finally enthralled by baseball again, Pittsburgh beat Cincinnati in the wild-card game before losing to league champion St. Louis in a division series that went the full five games.

"I'm a realist, but I am an optimist," said Hurdle, who has managed the Pirates for three seasons. "Everybody played a part."

Hurdle was chosen second on the other five ballots and was the only NL manager picked on every one. He had 140 points in the 5-3-1 scoring system to 68 for Mattingly, who received two first-place votes. Gonzalez got three first-place votes and had 43 points.

Mike Matheny of the Cardinals was the only other skipper to appear on a ballot. He was tabbed second by four voters and third by seven.

Francona garnered 16 first-place votes to 12 for Farrell, who lifted the Red Sox from last place to first in the AL East in his debut season as their manager. Boston won 97 games, tied for most in the majors, one year after going 69-93 under Bobby Valentine.

Bob Melvin, last year's winner, received the other two first-place votes and came in third after his low-payroll Oakland Athletics won their second consecutive AL West crown.

Francona never received a first-place vote during eight seasons as manager of the Red Sox. He had never finished higher than fourth for this award in 12 years as a big league skipper, including his stint with Philadelphia.

After a messy split from the Red Sox following their 2011 collapse, Francona spent a year in broadcasting that he said helped him become more patient and less stubborn.

This season with the Indians was one of his most fun in baseball, he said, and he loves the people he works for because when challenges arise "we tackle them together."

"Boston is, you're not really supposed to ever lose a game, and that's difficult to do," Francona said, adding the job there is "to manage all the noise that's around the team so the guys can play."

"You can't have all that passion and not have some of the headaches that come with it," he explained. "It's a little different in Cleveland because it's more just baseball, which I enjoy."

Former Boston manager Francona named AL's best

Congratulations to former Red Sox manager Terry Francona on being named as the American League's best manager. Was there any doubt he wouldn't get the honor?
 

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Was there any doubt he wouldn't get the honor?[/I]
For future reference, Doc, in English, we'd say, "Was there any doubt that he would get the honor?"

Congratulations, Tito!! A well earned honor.
 

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Philly & Toronto have been having discussions to ship Jose Bautista to the Phillies for Dominic Brown and other players coming back to Toronto, likely starting pitching.

On another note, it's refreshing to see former Red Sox great Terry Francona get the recognition he deserved. The baseball writers saw it right in not giving the extremely overrated John Farrell the award he did not deserve.

If i'm allowed to make a prediction, i predict that next season will be Farrell's last as a major league baseball manager.
 

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If i'm allowed to make a prediction, i predict that next season will be Farrell's last as a major league baseball manager.
Allowed? Allowed?? Hey, is someone wants to make a fool of himself in a public place under an assumed name, I don't believe there's anyone who'll stop you.
 

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Allowed? Allowed?? Hey, is someone wants to make a fool of himself in a public place under an assumed name, I don't believe there's anyone who'll stop you.



For future reference, rumples, in English, we'd say, " Hey, if someone wants to make a fool of himself in a public place under an assumed name, I don't believe there's anyone who'll stop you." LOL
 

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Unlike Kevin Youkilis, Brian Wilson has some pride.
Brian Wilson tells Yankees he wouldn't shave beard, won't join team
The Yankees are in the market for bullpen help, but one high-profile reliever has told the team they should not pursue him. Brian Wilson, the bearded and bizarre former San Francisco Giants closer, is unwilling to adhere to the organization’s well-established policy and trim his facial hair.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman learned this from Wilson’s representatives during meetings this week. Wilson posted a 0.66 ERA in 18 games with the Dodgers this season after returning from Tommy John surgery.

“That was volunteered to me in conversations that the beard stays on,” Cashman said.

And so the Yankees will look elsewhere for new relievers. They have had discussions with the representatives for Oakland closer Grant Balfour and Texas closer Joe Nathan. Cashman refuses to name David Robertson as his ninth-inning man, the heir to Mariano Rivera’s throne.

Wilson would have been an intriguing candidate, though he’d likely be seeking a pricey contract. He averaged 41 saves a season for the Giants from 2008 to 2011. His beard became a public curiosity during San Francisco’s World Series run in 2010. It will remain.

 

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Considering he prefers to look like a filthy pig, my guess is that Brian Wilson (not the Beach Boy) would like to play for the Boston Red Sox, who seem to cherish that style & wear it like a badge of honor. ;)

p.s. I swear that if someone not familiar with baseball would take a look at Clay Bucholtz when he pitches, he'd be under the impression that Bucholtz is someone in the final stages of AIDS. :rolleyes:
 

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So people with beards are filthy pigs? You know, my homophobic/misongynistic friend, coming from someone as small-minded and bigoted as you, I'm hardly surprised.
 

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You know, my homophobic/misongynistic friend, coming from someone as small-minded and bigoted as you, I'm hardly surprised.

At least you didn't call me a moron, which would have been a likely 3-week suspension. I suppose all insults towards fellow members are okay as long as 'moron' isn't used. That's a big no-no, it seems. :rolleyes:
 

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At least you didn't call me a moron, which would have been a likely 3-week suspension. I suppose all insults towards fellow members are okay as long as 'moron' isn't used. That's a big no-no, it seems. :rolleyes:

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Glazer would be out of a job today if he did not read the text messages and confirm or deny their content, yet a fucking dumbass shit-stirrer like you posts that I have deceived the board? Are you fucking kidding? You are a fucking joke.
Actually, Doc, moron was just the start of the Beav's meltdown. I imagine the ban was the result of that, the rest, and his previous meltdown just a week earlier.

As for what I posted, it was simply descriptive as well as deadly accurate, hence, hardly an insult.
 

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So genius, please explain to me what exactly was said by the Beave that wasn't true & that the majority of the board didn't already know? Are you implying that the Beave got banned for three weeks (three weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) for simply stating the obvious and calling Korbel a 'shit-stirrer' and a 'joke'????

Heck, we've all known this (as you stated yourself to me several times in the past) for years!!!!!! Let's be real here....what is the real reason why EB got banned??? What did he do in private that incensed the moderator who banned him? It had to be something else, right?? He didn't get banned 3 weeks for simply using the words 'moron', 'shit-stirrer', and 'joke', right??? Right?? :confused:

I mean, this is a sports thread. I mean, you have called Joe T worst names hundreds of times and never even got slapped on the hand, right?? Right?? So what's the real reason why the Beave got three weeks??
 
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