Ça fait depuis 2017 que je travaille en prenant des pauses et je n’ai jamais eu de visite d’un policier, jamais eu de clients se faire intercepter non plus.
C’est une certaine type de clientèle qui se fait cibler je crois
quelle type de clientèle selon vous? Cet article me rend nerveux
Ohhhh je vois. Merci du renseignement. C’est très appréciéLes clients qui fréquentent LL et qui voient des femmes qui ont l’air d’avoir un pimp.
Je sais que beaucoup de clients n’aiment pas les femmes qui demandent beaucoup d’infos comme nom complet, numéro de téléphone etc mais c’est quelque chose que les autorités ne prendraient pas le temps de faire s’il cherchait à arrêter à surprendre quelquun
ce n<est pas comment j'interprète l'article. Ils ne siblent personne en particulier. C'est monnsieurs tout le monde qui se fait arrêter...pères de familles, hommes célibatiairers ou mariées.Les clients qui fréquentent LL et qui voient des femmes qui ont l’air d’avoir un pimp.
Je sais que beaucoup de clients n’aiment pas les femmes qui demandent beaucoup d’infos comme nom complet, numéro de téléphone etc mais c’est quelque chose que les autorités ne prendraient pas le temps de faire s’il cherchait à arrêter à surprendre quelquun
Désolé Lena mais, soit tu n'a pas lu l'article, soit tu n'a pas compris. C'est pourtant très clair, on vise la clientèle "normale" , c.a.d. les "very plain johns", on prend même la peine de préciser que ça exclu tout clients qui favorise l'exploitation sexuelle.Les clients qui fréquentent LL et qui voient des femmes qui ont l’air d’avoir un pimp.
Je sais que beaucoup de clients n’aiment pas les femmes qui demandent beaucoup d’infos comme nom complet, numéro de téléphone etc mais c’est quelque chose que les autorités ne prendraient pas le temps de faire s’il cherchait à arrêter à surprendre quelquun
does this mean the whole challenge to c-36 has hit a dead end?Ontario court dismisses sex workers' Charter challenge, rules laws constitutional
Ontario's Superior Court dismissed a Charter challenge launched by groups advocating for the rights of sex workers, ruling Monday that Canada's criminal laws on sex work are constitutional.www.ctvnews.ca
The latest case in Ontario has been struck down. I am not surprised. Those in power want to play Grandma. Letting others decide whats best for them is beyond the government. The issue is government is too big.
It has been awhile since I tracked the cases, but as I recall we have 2 or 3 prior Ontario Superior Court wins challenging C36 including the escort agency case. Supposedly, one was appealed by the Crown to the Canada Supreme Court. - Or first, the Ontario Supreme Court, I forget how your system works.does this mean the whole challenge to c-36 has hit a dead end?
I personally do not think it will go anywhere. The more they protest, those in power will respond with more restrictions. The SWs should have left it alone, the British model worked very good. Bill C-36 just enabled SWs to scam clients easier knowing that they have no recourse. We see since Bill C-36 the amount of scams on Leolist types of sites took a big jump.does this mean the whole challenge to c-36 has hit a dead end?
The system works for us mongers because of the lax enforcement. Who knows if one day, a conservative government will enforce the law strictly?Yes, why? We have an enduring peace. Why do people insist on fucking it up by fighting?
The “line in the sand” is more sex-worker and John friendly in Canada than the U.S. but the same fundamental situation exists in the U.S.
U.S. law enforcement goes after mass classified advertisements (often by posting fake ads), massage parlors and interstate agencies.
U.S. law enforcement, in all but the most politically conservative states, leaves alone independent escorts and small intrastate agencies that do screening.
Guess what? U.S. Johns are wise to see the latter instead of the former.
But every year in the U.S. lots of time and money is spent on decriminalization and Nordic Law legislative proposals. We have an acceptable system now, even in the U.S. A peace.
In Canada, a John is now forced to choose among the hundreds of reviewed independent and agency ladies who must submit enough information for everyone to be sure they are 18 or over, and who charge the market price and are therefore unlikely to be trafficked or conducting a scam. Oh, the horror.
The challenges to the old law brought nothing but problems to everyone and the peace put everyone back where things started.
Nothing is ever accomplished with lawsuits and law changes.
Society doesn’t like or approve of this activity. Everyone needs to accept that and move on.
thats exactely my fear. With the conservatives riding high in the polls, i feared if the courts overturned c-36, the timing would lead to the PCs again getting to redraft the laws.The system works for us mongers because of the lax enforcement. Who knows if one day, a conservative government will enforce the law strictly?
thats exactely my fear. With the conservatives riding high in the polls, i feared if the courts overturned c-36, the timing would lead to the PCs again getting to redraft the laws.
Not sure if they would be worse than the liberals though and the over-woke mentality
I disagree with this comment for several reasons, but I will only highlight just one or two points.Not sure how Canadian courts would view things, but that was an early issue with the legal Nevada brothels.
Those places have become worthless now that technology allows escorts to easily work independently.
But the Nevada law prohibited advertising. The legal brothels were pissed, obviously, and said it violated the state and federal constitution.
They were operating legally and should be able to advertise in the Las Vegas and Reno markets (counties where brothels were illegal) they argued, and in fact should be able to advertise nationwide.
They got absolutely killed in state and federal courts. Just rejected with almost no discussions in the judgements.
Courts don’t like this stuff. In fact they hate it. They don’t want these cases brought, so you will never be able to reconcile the decisions to principles like Freedom of Speech, or Right to Advertise.
One of the first things one of the Ontario courts did in ruling against c-36 was limit the decision to that Province. Apparently, the limit was stricter than that, since as Dave in Phoenix pointed out, there are now multiple decisions even in Ontario with some ruling c-36 Constitutional and some ruling it not to be so. But perhaps those cases are ruling on components of the law instead of the entire law. Otherwise it makes no sense.
It is possible that the Canadian Supreme Court just simply never picks the issue back up, especially if some of the decisions are limited to a specific province.
The last time they agreed to hear a case of the issue, a hell of a mess was created. The Court put the decision on hold to allow the legislature to choose between decriminalization or a new law. The legislature overwhelmingly passed a new law that is such a hell of a mess that the police in the three biggest cities adopted a limited enforcement policy that keeps us safe. That is a very workable compromise. Why the hell would the Canadian Supreme Court want to stir things up by hearing a new case? If they give the legislature another choice between Decriminalization or a brand new law, there will be a new law that will create a new cyclone of shit.
This is all just for eggheads, troublemakers (like Ms. Bedford in the case that brought us c-36), and legal show-offs who have no interest in the consequences of the cases they win.
A wise Supreme Court would just not accept a case re-litigating the issue. There is a reasonable compromise in place. Commercial sex readily available among adults in the big Canadian cities, with the providers realizing the necessity of keeping it out of the public eye to minimize the chance of the police changing their policies. The politicians even in the big cities can zone out any establishments blatantly offering sex. Little villages and wealthy suburbs can make life miserable for their populace if they choose to do so by not doing a limited enforcement policy.
It works better than any system in most big countries. Hopefully these “social scientist” types will burn themselves out with these lawsuits regarding c-36 and life will continue as it is now with few, if any, issues.
The laws are enforced provincially and even more so municipally. Bill C-36 might be federal but how it is enforced is decided by the provinces and ultimately the municipality. There might be a big difference in enforcement say between Montreal and Quebec City or Toronto or Ottawa.The system works for us mongers because of the lax enforcement. Who knows if one day, a conservative government will enforce the law strictly?
WoW! Vous dîtes si bien les choses! Je suis tellement d'accord avec tous vos points. Les policiers ont autre chose plus urgente à faire, ils vont faire la visite des endroits où il y a des plaintes graves, ils n’ont ni le financement ni assez de personnels pour en faire une priorité. J’adore votre comparaison avec les lois, les politiciens et les placebos! Il y a beaucoup de lois stupides qui entourent l’industrie du sexe, dont la loi sur l’immigration, qui dit que tu peux être déportée si tu travailles dans tout ce qui entoure cette industrie (danseuses, masseuses, escortes), peu importe ton statut de réfugié, même avec une résidence permanente.https://chezstella.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Statut-dimmigration-et-Travail-du-sexe.pdfI remember when C-36 was first introduced and the panic and hysteria by so many clients on-line. Everyone got super paranoid that cops would pull them over and check their phone texts for contact with providers. Or that the police would devote huge cyber resources to monitor our emails. What I remember saying at the time and it has mostly held true is that the cops, for the most part, had far more important issues to deal with than some middle aged dude just getting laid by a beautiful young lady. They also don't have the financial resources to make prostitution their highest priority.
I also remember warning everybody that the bill would push the industry further down the path of black market criminals taking advantage and that has also held true as the scammers have basically flooded the industry. Basically the law was written as a placebo to make the do-gooders and self righteous feel good. Please your constituents and try to get re-elected. Politicians are too unintelligent to think beyond that. As for the courts, they basically have to do what they have to do. Fwiw, I have no problem with them busting dumbasses who knowingly try to get with a minor or the lowlifes who exploit women. But for the most part, that is not the situation most of us are in. I don't feel that I have anything to feel guilty about when seeing a reputable escort. We are consenting adults just having a good time.