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Like many politicians these days, they all got the Not In My Backyard Syndrome (we see how governments are doing their max to shutdown all stripclubs). They do this every year to make a show to the world that they are doing something. Having said that, Bill C-36 is a sexist bill and one derived from feminism, it infantiles women and puts the men as the predator. This bill also facilitates scams on Leolist types of sites and we see how scams and poor service on Leolist types of sites took a big hike since Bill C-36 came into effect. This was done by design to make the hobby inhospitable. With feminism taking over the world, banning prostitution will be the norm everywhere except in third world countries.
quelle type de clientèle selon vous? Cet article me rend nerveux
Les clients qui fréquentent LL et qui voient des femmes qui ont l’air d’avoir un pimp.
Je sais que beaucoup de clients n’aiment pas les femmes qui demandent beaucoup d’infos comme nom complet, numéro de téléphone etc mais c’est quelque chose que les autorités ne prendraient pas le temps de faire s’il cherchait à arrêter à surprendre quelquun
ce n<est pas comment j'interprète l'article. Ils ne siblent personne en particulier. C'est monnsieurs tout le monde qui se fait arrêter...pères de familles, hommes célibatiairers ou mariées.
je trouverais ça tellement pénible le 'john school'
Désolé Lena mais, soit tu n'a pas lu l'article, soit tu n'a pas compris. C'est pourtant très clair, on vise la clientèle "normale" , c.a.d. les "very plain johns", on prend même la peine de préciser que ça exclu tout clients qui favorise l'exploitation sexuelle.
Le programme sert à forcer le client à participer au "John School" où, on prétend réhabiliter l'individu, s'il refuse il se retrouve avec un dossier criminel.
En général ce sont les clients qui se font attraper le plus souvent.
Cet article parle d’un projet spécial qui n’est pour l’instant pas appliqué partout et qui n’a pas les mêmes buts.
Cet article parle d’un projet spécial qui n’est pour l’instant pas appliqué partout et qui n’a pas les mêmes buts.
In Ontario, C36 has been struck down 3 times, and another case is in process. There are mixed messages if the Crown has appealed to the Canadian Supreme Court or not.
When C-36 was first enacted, Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver police issued press releases that they would not change their enforcement - basically only responding to complaints or if underaged, illegally in Canada, or by force, as I recall. I have them saved somewhere in my vast computer files that go back like 40 years!
This is only a precedent in Ontario but courts have followed the same legal arguments (Charter safety of persons) that stuck down the prior law against incalls, working of avails, etc. Outcall of course was legal.
But would seem doubtful (or wishful thinking) that Quebec would be hesitant to charge if a private consenting adult.
A couple of years ago in Toronto (Peal region), I had a companion stopped by the police as she was pulling into my hotel. We have no clue how they knew she was a companion. She was with a well-known agency, I believe with an agency driver as I recall. The police's only interest and questions were related to if she was doing the work willingly and not sex trafficked. She assured the officer she was. She was shaken up a bit wondering how they knew she was on a "date". She called me later and explained and I met her at an incall.
When C-36 was first enacted, Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver police issued press releases that they would not change their enforcement - basically only responding to complaints or if underaged, illegally in Canada, or by force, as I recall. I have them saved somewhere in my vast computer files that go back like 40 years!
This is only a precedent in Ontario but courts have followed the same legal arguments (Charter safety of persons) that stuck down the prior law against incalls, working of avails, etc. Outcall of course was legal.
But would seem doubtful (or wishful thinking) that Quebec would be hesitant to charge if a private consenting adult.
A couple of years ago in Toronto (Peal region), I had a companion stopped by the police as she was pulling into my hotel. We have no clue how they knew she was a companion. She was with a well-known agency, I believe with an agency driver as I recall. The police's only interest and questions were related to if she was doing the work willingly and not sex trafficked. She assured the officer she was. She was shaken up a bit wondering how they knew she was on a "date". She called me later and explained and I met her at an incall.
Ontario court dismisses sex workers' Charter challenge, rules laws constitutional
Ontario's Superior Court dismissed a Charter challenge launched by groups advocating for the rights of sex workers, ruling Monday that Canada's criminal laws on sex work are constitutional.
The latest case in Ontario has been struck down. I am not surprised. Those in power want to play Grandma. Letting others decide whats best for them is beyond the government. The issue is government is too big.
does this mean the whole challenge to c-36 has hit a dead end?Ontario court dismisses sex workers' Charter challenge, rules laws constitutional
Ontario's Superior Court dismissed a Charter challenge launched by groups advocating for the rights of sex workers, ruling Monday that Canada's criminal laws on sex work are constitutional.www.ctvnews.ca
The latest case in Ontario has been struck down. I am not surprised. Those in power want to play Grandma. Letting others decide whats best for them is beyond the government. The issue is government is too big.
It has been awhile since I tracked the cases, but as I recall we have 2 or 3 prior Ontario Superior Court wins challenging C36 including the escort agency case. Supposedly, one was appealed by the Crown to the Canada Supreme Court. - Or first, the Ontario Supreme Court, I forget how your system works.
In the news, it didn't mention as I recall the issue that under C36 technically the customer is illegal just not the sexworker. Of course, at least the 3 largest cities PD announced would not enforce consenting adults unless they were underage or not in Canada legally.
So now we have conflicting rulings out of the Ontario Superior Court.
In the article, it also said:
The alliance plans to appeal the decision. A House of Commons justice committee review last year of the new 2014 laws on sex work found the laws made sex work more dangerous. Then-attorney general David Lametti acknowledged the laws were "divisive" and that more must be done to address the risks and harms sex workers face.
I personally do not think it will go anywhere. The more they protest, those in power will respond with more restrictions. The SWs should have left it alone, the British model worked very good. Bill C-36 just enabled SWs to scam clients easier knowing that they have no recourse. We see since Bill C-36 the amount of scams on Leolist types of sites took a big jump.
The system works for us mongers because of the lax enforcement. Who knows if one day, a conservative government will enforce the law strictly?
thats exactely my fear. With the conservatives riding high in the polls, i feared if the courts overturned c-36, the timing would lead to the PCs again getting to redraft the laws.
Not sure if they would be worse than the liberals though and the over-woke mentality
I disagree with this comment for several reasons, but I will only highlight just one or two points.
If a SP or escort, stops or attempts to stop her vehicle, in a parking lot or the side of the road, in order to pick up her phone and text messages a potential client, then both potential client and provider have just violated the law, as your vehicle is considered a "public place" as per criminal law.
This regardless of the nonsense that the AG/police say about we only punish the client as per the Nordic model. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN IN LAW , IT IS JUST A PROMISE nothing more.
The laws are enforced provincially and even more so municipally. Bill C-36 might be federal but how it is enforced is decided by the provinces and ultimately the municipality. There might be a big difference in enforcement say between Montreal and Quebec City or Toronto or Ottawa.
I remember when C-36 was first introduced and the panic and hysteria by so many clients on-line. Everyone got super paranoid that cops would pull them over and check their phone texts for contact with providers. Or that the police would devote huge cyber resources to monitor our emails. What I remember saying at the time and it has mostly held true is that the cops, for the most part, had far more important issues to deal with than some middle aged dude just getting laid by a beautiful young lady. They also don't have the financial resources to make prostitution their highest priority.
I also remember warning everybody that the bill would push the industry further down the path of black market criminals taking advantage and that has also held true as the scammers have basically flooded the industry. Basically the law was written as a placebo to make the do-gooders and self righteous feel good. Please your constituents and try to get re-elected. Politicians are too unintelligent to think beyond that. As for the courts, they basically have to do what they have to do. Fwiw, I have no problem with them busting dumbasses who knowingly try to get with a minor or the lowlifes who exploit women. But for the most part, that is not the situation most of us are in. I don't feel that I have anything to feel guilty about when seeing a reputable escort. We are consenting adults just having a good time.
I also remember warning everybody that the bill would push the industry further down the path of black market criminals taking advantage and that has also held true as the scammers have basically flooded the industry. Basically the law was written as a placebo to make the do-gooders and self righteous feel good. Please your constituents and try to get re-elected. Politicians are too unintelligent to think beyond that. As for the courts, they basically have to do what they have to do. Fwiw, I have no problem with them busting dumbasses who knowingly try to get with a minor or the lowlifes who exploit women. But for the most part, that is not the situation most of us are in. I don't feel that I have anything to feel guilty about when seeing a reputable escort. We are consenting adults just having a good time.
WoW! Vous dîtes si bien les choses! Je suis tellement d'accord avec tous vos points. Les policiers ont autre chose plus urgente à faire, ils vont faire la visite des endroits où il y a des plaintes graves, ils n’ont ni le financement ni assez de personnels pour en faire une priorité. J’adore votre comparaison avec les lois, les politiciens et les placebos! Il y a beaucoup de lois stupides qui entourent l’industrie du sexe, dont la loi sur l’immigration, qui dit que tu peux être déportée si tu travailles dans tout ce qui entoure cette industrie (danseuses, masseuses, escortes), peu importe ton statut de réfugié, même avec une résidence permanente.https://chezstella.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Statut-dimmigration-et-Travail-du-sexe.pdf
Quand les filles paniquent, comme plusieurs avec la loi C-36, je leur dit que c’est quasi impossible que les policiers se présentent dans un endroit, à moins d’avoir des plaintes graves. Il y en a beaucoup trop et avec trop peu des moyens.
Par contre, nous tentons d’abolir cette clause qui va à l’encontre de la charte des droits et libertés de la personne.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-l-expulsion/2024-02-09/une-loi-a-changer.php
WoW! You say things so well! I so agree with all your points. The police have something more urgent to do, they are going to visit places where there are serious complaints, they have neither the funding nor enough staff to make it a priority. I love your comparison with laws, politicians and placebos! There are a lot of stupid laws surrounding the sex industry, including immigration law, which says you can be deported if you work in anything surrounding the industry (dancers, masseuses, escorts), it doesn't matter. your refugee status, even with permanent residence. content/uploads/2016/01/Statut-dimmigration-et-Travail-du-sexe.pdf
When the girls panic, like many with Bill C-36, I tell them that it It's almost impossible for the police to show up in a place, unless there are serious complaints. There are too many and with too few resources.
On the other hand, we are trying to abolish this clause which goes against the Canadian Human Rights Commission. Published last Friday in the Press.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-l-expulsion/2024-02-09/une-loi-a-changer.php
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