Clients dirtying a girl's reputation...

[IamNY]

the white knights come out in droves.

It’s as if your able to see the future!

 

[Halloween Mike]

When it comes to negative reviews, i think most of us are smart enough to see deeper. If someone has plenty of good reviews but one dude who signed up last month show up and make a very bad review, it won't tip the scale for me... If a new girl get no review, then her first is negative, then she get again no review for 1 month and another negative show up, ill know that its not someone i want to book. I know for a fact clients in general are more willing to write a positive comment than a negative, usually peoples who come make a negative review, if they have no harm intentions (to damage the reputation for instance) will only do it if things got very bad. Most clients brush off a "meh" encounter. Anyway my point is ill always take a lot into consideration when seeing a negative(or positive review). Is the client here for a while, how often he reviews, etc

About bad breath, i feel you girls. I mean no matter how hot a girl can be if she smell or taste cigarette its a huge turn off for me. Didn't happen much to me thanksfully. Once that i can remember, she did took a gum so it was more of a "residue" but enough to bother me a bit. Personally i always brush my teeth before an encounter during my shower routine, i try to have gum or if possible mouthwash. As i meet outcall most of the time its not always easy but i noticed they have very small bottles kinda like "echantillons" wich i could refill and put in my bagpack, so i try to do that now. I don't comprehend how guys do not think of that before meeting, having a clean mouth. I get you may like smoking ok but just refrain to do it 45 min to 1h before an encounter, brush your teeth, mouthwash, make everything so it does not taste... its possible. Sometimes i have beers that i offer girls (not a whine guy sorry) but i always make sure its ok with them first, that they are not repulsed by the beer taste. Its only normal.

About texting... personally i don't mind she take 1 or 2 AT THE END, when we are done and just talking, could be important. But reading some reviews of girls texting while fucking... huh NO !! A HUGE NO !! LOL. Once you used your cell to confirm with the driver it should be no cell til i came...

 

[charmer_]

I don’t know why any SP would think it is cool or ok to text other clients during a session.
I wouldn’t make an issue of it I just wouldn’t see them again.

Maybe...but that's not going to help change her habits. You could:

A) Tell her during the session (could backfire in the service you get though)
B) Tell the booker afterwards, if it's an agency girl
C) Write a review and mention it (probably the most effective option)

You should do something at least, rather than just let it go imho. That doesn't help anybody. Just saying.

 

[chowzilla]

I posted a negative review not along ago. It violated a merb term which i didnt realize at the time and was taken down ( rightfully so, rules are rules). I haven't re written it nor will I (even edited). So there are some built in protections i guess

Please edit it. just a summary without being explicit. (no idea what you did wrong). But this is what this board is for. A bad review is a bad review if its justified. A good girl will survive..

 

[chowzilla]

Ya I don't see the need to make drama out of it. We are lucky enough here that there are so many options. Especially when you're in a extended date costing you a pretty penny and taking them to dinner as well. Not cool.

I understand how you feel about this. I have experienced it as well. I think it really depends on how she does it. If its a quick check of the phone, no issue. If she apologizes beforehand, no issue.
During one of my SA dates a few years back at Gibby's, she would check her phone every 10min and sigh... was really disrespectful, I think she had the impression she would be on a date with Christian Grey, sorry no, or that I was paying to share the same oxygen as her. I paid the bill and left her at the restaurant before the main course. I've been told I shouldn't even have paid for the dinner, or at least only my portion. Bad days

 

[gogo_joe]

I'm not into dirtying up anyone reputation. But in this industry there's a lot of SP's who's goal is simply to shake you up what ever money $$$ you have & give nothing back. Or as little as possible of what was intended to. This forum helps filtering the good ones from the bad ones. & i am not alone who appreciates the 411 on any SP. Good or bad. I usually don't take the word of one bad post on an sp. But if multiples comes out. Well you probably deserve it.
My 2 cent

 

[sene5hos]

It depends on who's giving a bad review.
If a new member makes their first post and it's a negative review, I will ignore it because often something bad has happened in between.
On the other hand, the follow-up is important, because if other reviews are negative it will accumulate and lead to an overall, negative judgment.

Before being on Merb I happened to meet people who turned out to be very disappointing.
Would I have mentioned it if I had been on this site? yes I would have described my service, and I would have ended by saying this woman was not for me, but maybe for others.

So many factors can come into play, both on the girl's side and on mine.

 

[gogo_joe]

It depends on who's giving a bad review.
If a new member makes their first post and it's a negative review, I will ignore it because often something bad has happened in between.
On the other hand, the follow-up is important, because if other reviews are negative it will accumulate and lead to an overall, negative judgment.

Before being on Merb I happened to meet people who turned out to be very disappointing.
Would I have mentioned it if I had been on this site? yes I would have described my service, and I would have ended by saying this woman was not for me, but maybe for others.

So many factors can come into play, both on the girl's side and on mine.

Sure, but this goes both ways. It's not just reserved to new members making negative comments. It's also this quantity of fake members account that gives out positive reviews when it's not. I get that. & on both counts i usually ignore it unless there more reliable comments made by reliable posters. That's how it's done.
PS: To all noobies, ... hint.. Look the quantity of post made by a poster before making a what might turn out to be an expensive decision.

 

[luvdozer]

Valerie Love's original point was about clients expecting the girl to be at her best when the client is hardly at his best, and then submitting a negative review. The thread has kind of morphed into a discussion about texting and whether we should take a poster's history into account when reading a negative review. I think these are straw man arguments just as hygeine is. If a client shows up without having showered in the last hour and with anything less than minty fresh breath, they shouldnt be surprised by bad service. If a provider is texting during a session other than confirmation upon arrival and to the driver at the end, she deserves to be called out for it. And sure, if someone has a sparse posting history, they shouldnt be given the same weight as a member who has posted many reviews.

I think the tougher issues are the ones that are beyond these easy calls. For example, if you book a girl from an agency that has multiple professional photos with a blurred face and the girl that shows up has an unattractive face - do you say anything? This isnt an honesty issue because no face pics are available. This happened to me many years ago with an XO girl. She as an absolute sweetheart and she was eager to do whatever i wanted physically, but I was just really turned off by her face. I decided not to post a review because she has no control over this. I think if she had a long list of positive reviews, I would have been more likely to post a review saying she was really nice and eager to please but just not my type and that is my fault.

I agree with Valerie that respect goes two ways, but at the same time I am not going to write a review that gives a girl a break on bad service because i am short, overweight and not very handsome. The service i am paying for is for a pretty girl to make me forget what I really look like in the mirror. Again, I am not talking about hygiene, just appearance. I am fastidious about being clean and fresh, but no girl I have ever booked would consider me attractive. I try my best to be friendly and complimentary and put a girl at ease. That is the other thing that I can control. If i am with a girl and she comes across as disinterested and bored or wanting things to be over (which has only happened once in Montreal) I would assume that my appearance could be part of the reason, but that doesnt mean that I think it is ok. Everyone can have a bad day, but part of the service i am paying for is for someone to make this troll feel like a stud.

When I write a review I try my best to give each girl the benefit of the doubt for any aspect of the session that does not go well. But at the same time, i want to give other members an honest account of the session to help them understand if this girl might be a good match for him. I have only written one truly negative review on MERB, but I have written things in reviews describing specific things that girls did that I didnt particularly care for. I think it is important to be able to do that without feeling like we are ruining a girl's reputation. Be fair, be honest, but also be kind and considerate.

 

[Adaline Rose]

Valerie Love's original point was about clients expecting the girl to be at her best when the client is hardly at his best, and then submitting a negative review. The thread has kind of morphed into a discussion about texting and whether we should take a poster's history into account when reading a negative review. I think these are straw man arguments just as hygeine is. If a client shows up without having showered in the last hour and with anything less than minty fresh breath, they shouldnt be surprised by bad service. If a provider is texting during a session other than confirmation upon arrival and to the driver at the end, she deserves to be called out for it. And sure, if someone has a sparse posting history, they shouldnt be given the same weight as a member who has posted many reviews.

I think the tougher issues are the ones that are beyond these easy calls. For example, if you book a girl from an agency that has multiple professional photos with a blurred face and the girl that shows up has an unattractive face - do you say anything? This isnt an honesty issue because no face pics are available. This happened to me many years ago with an XO girl. She as an absolute sweetheart and she was eager to do whatever i wanted physically, but I was just really turned off by her face. I decided not to post a review because she has no control over this. I think if she had a long list of positive reviews, I would have been more likely to post a review saying she was really nice and eager to please but just not my type and that is my fault.

I agree with Valerie that respect goes two ways, but at the same time I am not going to write a review that gives a girl a break on bad service because i am short, overweight and not very handsome. The service i am paying for is for a pretty girl to make me forget what I really look like in the mirror. Again, I am not talking about hygiene, just appearance. I am fastidious about being clean and fresh, but no girl I have ever booked would consider me attractive. I try my best to be friendly and complimentary and put a girl at ease. That is the other thing that I can control. If i am with a girl and she comes across as disinterested and bored or wanting things to be over (which has only happened once in Montreal) I would assume that my appearance could be part of the reason, but that doesnt mean that I think it is ok. Everyone can have a bad day, but part of the service i am paying for is for someone to make this troll feel like a stud.

When I write a review I try my best to give each girl the benefit of the doubt for any aspect of the session that does not go well. But at the same time, i want to give other members an honest account of the session to help them understand if this girl might be a good match for him. I have only written one truly negative review on MERB, but I have written things in reviews describing specific things that girls did that I didnt particularly care for. I think it is important to be able to do that without feeling like we are ruining a girl's reputation. Be fair, be honest, but also be kind and considerate.

I totally agree with you, luvdozer. Thank you for sharing!
Of course, you are paying for a service and it is a girl's job to do what she has to do to make the person happy.
At the end of the day, people all have their own descriptions of beauty and attraction. Hygiene and being well-groomed doesn't relate to beauty, but taking care our ourselves and respecting the other person. The service goes beyond physical traits. As we say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder... Eyes are the door to the soul... And love making is the most beautiful art we can indulge ourselves in...

 

[Flyingby]

Sene5hos. I disagree about the newbie thing unless. Sometimes when the reviews are stellar. Nobody wants to post a bad one. To bad it takes a veteran posting a negative review to give others the courage to do it.
yes the ladies are human. But if you are having a bad day. Don’t work. Or it will show.
it is a luxurY. When you pay for luxury. You expect a certain quality.
i would encourage ladies to defend themselves more on here if they feel they are falsely accused of something

 

[sene5hos]

I totally agree with you, luvdozer. Thank you for sharing!
Of course, you are paying for a service and it is a girl's job to do what she has to do to make the person happy.
At the end of the day, people all have their own descriptions of beauty and attraction. Hygiene and being well-groomed doesn't relate to beauty, but taking care our ourselves and respecting the other person. The service goes beyond physical traits. As we say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder... Eyes are the door to the soul... And love making is the most beautiful art we can indulge ourselves in...

Bravo Ludozer, for your authenticity, you said out loud what I was thinking.

I love your long commentary and your conclusion is logical and inspiring

Since I try to be as honest as possible, but since Valerie is the one I meet right now, I wasn't sure what to write for fear of being too associated with her.

But at the end of the day I decided to speak my mind, and let the members judge for themselves.

I made a wise choice to return to the hobby, choosing Valerie.

Read her review and you will understand everything.

For now it's her, later I'll see where life will take me.

Because over time men have a tendency to want to explore other avenues, but for the moment I am still discovering the different attractions of her village.

To be continued.

 

[gogo_joe]

Everybody makes good points here. I stand by my experience but i do agree that respect goes both ways. Hygiene, making sure both parties has an understanding what's being exchanged for how much. & everything else.
But as soon money is exchanged, the SP has the bigger piece of the stick. & they know it. & how many times an sp changes terms of what has been understood. STOP offering services or posting a description of you & what's offered where in the end, the client is completely bushwhacked. The hustle is the hustle don't call it anything else. It's a shake down & it does exist.
There no longer a professional sp but a professional hustler. It's part of the game being at risque to get hustle out of money. Happens more often then not. But with the internet & forums like this sp better think twice before playing this game & risk there reputation.
Thq to the universe that there are professionals sp who knows how to keep there end. & i'm sure they got more better reviews then bad ones. But for does who don't. Well what can i say that's not being said here?

I have to add. I do not excuse any client that has a (manque de savoir vivre) That unfortunately comes with the territory. & probably the reason why those men are out ordering SP's in the first place. In this line of work you will deal with all sorts. An Sp can say no right off the bat if after a client shows up & is not feeling it. Don't expect him to pay compensation cuz he is not to your liking. & after a bad experience with a client, you still have the choice to say no thq to that client when he shows up next time. If he post a bad review, well hope that you have more good reviews from clients then bad ones. Cuz it will help you out.
I do respect every bodies point of you & hope you do too. I'm just am one of those who appreciates the forum & the 411 it offers.

 

[sene5hos]

But with the internet & forums like this sp better think twice before playing this game & risk there reputation.

Indeed by choosing the escorts who advertise themselves here, our chances of having bad service are much lower.

Where there are more bad reviews are girls who advertise themselves on various platforms, such as Humpchies, Ad 123, Anonceintime, Leolist. Moreover, it's for this reason that these girls often change their phone numbers.

 

[luvdozer]

But as soon money is exchanged, the SP has the bigger piece of the stick. & they know it. & how many times an sp changes terms of what has been understood. STOP offering services or posting a description of you & what's offered where in the end, the client is completely bushwhacked. The hustle is the hustle don't call it anything else. It's a shake down & it does exist.
There no longer a professional sp but a professional hustler. It's part of the game being at risque to get hustle out of money. Happens more often then not. But with the internet & forums like this sp better think twice before playing this game & risk there reputation.

I really cant help thinking that you would be better served choosing different providers. Montreal has SO MANY girls in every shape, size, price point and affiliation. If you are often feeling bushwhacked by providers who change what is offered or rates and you are certain that you are treating them with dignity and respect, then maybe you should try some different girls. If I am unhappy with the haircut i get from the hairdresser three times in a row, I find a new hairdresser.

 

[Flyingby]

I really cant help thinking that you would be better served choosing different providers. Montreal has SO MANY girls in every shape, size, price point and affiliation. If you are often feeling bushwhacked by providers who change what is offered or rates and you are certain that you are treating them with dignity and respect, then maybe you should try some different girls. If I am unhappy with the haircut i get from the hairdresser three times in a row, I find a new hairdresser.

I can agree with some of this. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me.
and also disagree. What if you’ve seen your hairdresser dozens of times. They were off their game just once. Do you write a bad yelp review? Do you let it slide? What if it is a pattern of laziness when in comfort situations.
Some sp are stellar everytime. Some might have an off day. When an sp has an off day with me. I move on to the next

 

[hungry101]

Sometimes, I feel that on repeat visits there can be a drop off in service. We are more like friends which is cool but it’s like she knows that she’s got me and doesn’t have to try as hard. Does this make sense? Time to find another provider and spread the money around a bit.

with agencies, FKKs, Clínicas, Termas etc., I’ve done the same thing. I was always loyal to a particular agency/brothel but after a mediocre engagement I would try a new one. It is easy to get into a rut. Again, spread the money around and find an establishment that is eager to gain your business. You don't have to totally give up the other place just try a new one. You should do this outside the hobby too. Otherwise establishments become complacent.

 

[cloudsurf]

Sometimes, I feel that on repeat visits there can be a drop off in service. We are more like friends which is cool but it’s like she knows that she’s got me and doesn’t have to try as hard. There can be a drop off in service. Does this make sense?

Makes lots of sense. One girl actually told me that .
I wrote one of my rare negative reviews cause I had proof that she was a lazy bitch. The driver told me that he had to wake her up when she arrived at my place.
A little bit of background. She was living with 6 young Italian construction guys. When she wasn`t getting laid, she was doing their laundry.

 

[gogo_joe]

I really cant help thinking that you would be better served choosing different providers. Montreal has SO MANY girls in every shape, size, price point and affiliation. If you are often feeling bushwhacked by providers who change what is offered or rates and you are certain that you are treating them with dignity and respect, then maybe you should try some different girls. If I am unhappy with the haircut i get from the hairdresser three times in a row, I find a new hairdresser.

My point does automatically implies that you do have the option to change providers when things don't work out. It actually goes both ways. But let's not derail from the initial point of this thread. This is about clients using this forum to wright bad reviews on sp's. An understanding an a deal that was not respected or the provider is not how she describe herself. Well i like to know. I hardly think bad reviews come often from a client towards his regular provider. Most bad reviews here are from clients towards first time providers or providers changing names & numbers that already have bad reputation. Listen if your a good provider you don't have to much to worry about. In fact a lot of the good reputed ones will be praised. As for the bad ones, SP's,MP, agencies ... that takes advantage of clients, rushes them, bait and switch, ect... will get there's one way or the other. There's no but's and change to that. This is how the system on the internet evolved.

And to Valeries Loves initial point. Yes you are right when clients expect that providers be on point & at there top when they don't. I get that. But ... In this line of work you have to expect the worst. Reason why lots of clients probably come to see you in the first place. In my book you can't expect nothing else from a client but $$$money in exchange for what is expected from him ... A fantasy!!! . That's it that's all. You can request a client to shower & a minimum level of hygiene some other things. But if you want to keep providing, you need to be top of your game despite he's not. Don't expect to cheat him out of time or change anything that was understood bcuz he is not to your liking with out some kind of repercussion. When money has exchanged... you got to expect that.

 

[CydoniaNights]

I wonder why no one has brought up overboard reviews/shill reviews. I feel like these can be equally damaging to a girls reputation. If a review is too good or missleading it will create a rebound affect where clients will go into a session expecting x experience but they get y experience and leave disappointed and write a bad review because they had false expectations or the provider didn’t live up to the hype. There have definetly been times where I saw a provider that was overall decent and I had an enjoyable time with but was slightly let down cause every review was saying she was a goddess amongst men, when I found her to just be decent. I’ve also have had the opposite happen where I had an amazing experience and others had lukewarm reviews about the provider. Maybe some girls are just too ymmv or maybe some guys just do dumb stuff ( intentionally or unintentionally) that make the girl give a less enthusiastic service. Whatever it is escorts and clients are human which means no encounter is the same which means everyone has different experiences which means not every experience will be perceived as really good or really bad. There are just too many variables, too many opinions, feelings, likes/ dislikes, per person that it’s impossible to please everyone.

Anyway im going on a bit of a tagent but essentially I think that there is just too much to consider, maybe if everyone wrote more balanced reviews (good or bad) things would be alot more coherent and objective. But I doubt that will ever happen.