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I guess we are going to disagree.
I think the Swedish model was a disaster compared to its neighbours.
Real lockdowns work, half assed ones don’t.
If you don’t go anywhere you cannot spread any type of virus that is just plain common sense you don’t need any kind of diploma for that.
Masks also work and so does washing your hands and keeping your distance, and luckily it seems so do all these vaccines.
I would be in favour of a real and effective lockdown for 3-4 weeks instead of this half assed yo yo bull shit.
Exactly rreal lockdowns work like what happened in Australia. The question is are people ready for that when you see that they complain abour wearing masks ans washig their hands. Plus is the government willing to do it knowing that unpopular politic would costing him the next election.
 
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CLOUD 500

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Doug Ford made his announcement. Latest measures. At least there is no curfew but police will now be authorized to actively stop people and inquire on if their trip is essential. This will change a lot of things.

 

CLOUD 500

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Since you are so against the curfew, hurry up to Ontario before they close the borders with Quebec.
You can lock yourself up permanently for life since there are viruses waiting to make you sick and also get yourself a fleshlight.
 

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Doug Ford made his announcement. Latest measures. At least there is no curfew but police will now be authorized to actively stop people and inquire on if their trip is essential. This will change a lot of things.
Cloud 500, what difference do you see between a curfew and a stay at home order??? The curfew here in from 8pm to 5am, exception for essential things like driving back from work , pharmacy or other medical appointment.
The Ontario stay at home order does the same thing 24 HOURS A DAY. At noon or 2pm a police officer can intercept you and if you are not driving to your job or going to exercise you can have a 750$ fine.
 

CLOUD 500

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You were not aware. Some forces of Ontario police declared that they WILL NOT be doing random checks. Ontario police came to their senses and Quebec police got a lot to learn. Police are there to serve and protect not to do the dirty work of cowardly politicians to
enforce oppression and a police state.


 
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CLOUD 500

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Cloud 500, what difference do you see between a curfew and a stay at home order??? The curfew here in from 8pm to 5am, exception for essential things like driving back from work , pharmacy or other medical appointment.
One last thing before Ford gave police powers to make random stops, even though there was a stay at home order ppl were still free to go out the evening and do their groceries late at night. Look at Terb escort agencies were operating till 11pm. That is a big impact to me as I do my groceries after 7pm to avoid crowds and line ups and I am a night person I do not wake up before 12pm. So yes it is a big difference to me. With the curfew I am forced to go in the day and get stuck with the crowd. I got to see my regular in the day and loose so much time in traffic. Btw the Quebec fine is very steep it is more then double to that of Ontario.
 
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sene5hos

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Police are there to serve and protect not to do the dirty work of cowardly politicians to
enforce oppression and a police state.
According to the definition:

A police state is a government that exercises its power in an authoritarian and arbitrary manner, through the police force. The inhabitants of a police state are restricted in their freedom of expression and freedom of movement, and may be subject to various coercion, torture, propaganda, mental manipulation, or even surveillance mass by a state, under the threat of police forces.

Quebec is a police state ???
 

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According to the definition:

A police state is a government that exercises its power in an authoritarian and arbitrary manner, through the police force. The inhabitants of a police state are restricted in their freedom of expression and freedom of movement, and may be subject to various coercion, torture, propaganda, mental manipulation, or even surveillance mass by a state, under the threat of police forces.

Quebec is a police state ???
It is not a police state. It is quite normal for a government to enact emergency powers in a health emergency or state of war, insurrection, etc.. A real police state is like China where the monitoring of citizens is part of the political ideology. In canada and the US and all western democracies this is not the case. Our respective constitutions guarantee this with the only exceptions being national emergencies such as the current pandemic, war, natural disasters, etc...Governments need to be able to act with authority when faced with a major crisis. And yes that means limiting personal freedoms until the crisis is over. A major crisis will never end if everyone does whatever they want.
 

CLOUD 500

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Sen5hos,

You got it right. The curfew is an example of an authoritarian regime and it is unconstitutional yet Lego who is a coward is using police to do his dirty work and lock everyone up as prisoners. Lego is restricting the freedom of ppl to move around after dark that is unconstitutional. The curfew breaches Section 2: Protects the freedom to assemble and associate and Section 7: Protects the right not to be deprived of liberty "except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice". Section 15 guarantees equality under the law. Charter rights however are not absolute. Governments defending curfews must provide evidence to the court that the use of curfews will actually impact virus transmission. However no science or stats demonstrate that curfews work. Even Quebec health minister Horacio awknowledged that that there is no hard scientific evidence to support curfews yet here it is. Lego acts like a dictator.

Although I am against all these nanny state measures the curfew in my book is going too far. Historically curfews were used by dictators under occupation of another country for example the occupation of Poland by Nazi Germany. Historically curfews were used to oppress the population and this is not too different. All measures being used can go with public health but a curfew is going too far.
 

sene5hos

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Sen5hos,

You got it right. The curfew is an example of an authoritarian regime and it is unconstitutional yet Lego who is a coward is using police to do his dirty work and lock everyone up as prisoners. Lego is restricting the freedom of ppl to move around after dark that is unconstitutional. The curfew breaches Section 2: Protects the freedom to assemble and associate and Section 7: Protects the right not to be deprived of liberty "except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice". Section 15 guarantees equality under the law. Charter rights however are not absolute. Governments defending curfews must provide evidence to the court that the use of curfews will actually impact virus transmission. However no science or stats demonstrate that curfews work. Even Quebec health minister Horacio awknowledged that that there is no hard scientific evidence to support curfews yet here it is. Lego acts like a dictator.

Although I am against all these nanny state measures the curfew in my book is going too far. Historically curfews were used by dictators under occupation of another country for example the occupation of Poland by Nazi Germany. Historically curfews were used to oppress the population and this is not too different. All measures being used can go with public health but a curfew is going too far.
CLOUD 500 you have the right to your opinions, which are the opposite of mine.

We just want to get out of this pandemic as much as possible, but because of guys like you we're not getting out of it.

You say that Legault acts like a dictator.

And it has nothing to do with Hitler.
 
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CLOUD 500

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^^^^^
I talked about Hitler just to show what curfews were used for historically. They were also used in America to oppress Black ppl.
 

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So funny to read all those conspiration theories here. Let get out your frustration. I hope you will come back to reality. Check the daily cases rising in Ontario! So sad, and not funny at all!
If one wants to know what is a totalitarian regime is, just watch Russia or Saudi Arabia or North Korea. Absolutely nothing to do with respecting a curfew for public health purpose.
 

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As for the police, in Quebec, they do not do ramdom check! I know a lot of night workers in Montreal and they never got checked going to or from work even if they have all the papers proving they are on duty. Stop fantasize or imagine things! Fake News!!!
 

mr_scorpio

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I talked about Hitler just to show what curfews were used for historically. They were also used in America to oppress Black ppl.
That may have been the case historically, but this curfew is not oppressing any group in particular. It's aim is to limit contact and bring the infection rate down. Of course we don't know how well these measures work but the gov has to at least try different approaches. Doing nothing is not really an option. I personally think Legault is going with half measures because he doesn't have the balls to impose a stricter lockdown to avoid pissing off the non believers. However to really eradicate this virus , you need much stricter measures. Unfortunately we have a population that include a large number of selfish impatient babies who don't have the discipline to adhere to the necessary sacrifices.
 

sene5hos

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I agree with the decision of the Toronto police.

Doing random descents is not done.

They will only act at gatherings when they suspect that several people are violating health restrictions.

For Rob Ford, should have established a curfew, it would have been easier.
 

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Look behind you.
Unfortunately we have a population that include a large number of selfish impatient babies who don't have the discipline to adhere to the necessary sacrifices.
Montreal also has an international airport bringing in thousands of people.
Do you do your part and never leave the house, go above and beyond the measures put out? Many are tired of the failed measures and after a year are tired of the failed government.
After curfews, store closures, strict fines for gatherings and cases still go up I can see people saying fuck it, enough.
 
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