By popular vote, she actually did beat him by 3 million votes. He only "won" over her because of the ridiculous electoral college system.If you predicted Hillary would beat Trump then you are like me and need now to be more careful now
DC Capital Riots Fallout
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Hillary never complained about the electoral college system before the election. I can even imagine her making fun of Trump complaining about it if she had won
You can’t change retroactively a system. Trump might have campaigned differently in popular vote system (campaigning in illinois, california and new york) while Hillary might have tried to get votes in the South. Voters would have behaved differently too.
Also, Scheer got more votes than Trudeau in 2019. Is he the rightful winner? Of course not…
Instead of drifting into political oblivion and be forgotten, Trump is propelled to the forefront of political divide precisely due to politicized criminal proceedings against January 6 rioters and against him personally. This will only deepen the political divide in the country to, I am afraid, the breaking point when democratic traditions considered not long ago sacred to be violated by both parties in the near future.Of course Trump would pardon himself and his associates. Biden will also likely pardon his son.
I try not to be confused by what I wish for when I look at politics. Do I think Trump is great? No. Was he as bad as some people say? No. Do I think he has a chance to beat Biden? Yes. Biden is falling apart in front of us and might not even be there in 15 months.
If you predicted Hillary would beat Trump then you are like me and need now to be more careful now
Drifting into political oblivion??? The man is running for president and is leading the republican field by a wide margin. That's the opposite of political oblivion.
Politicized criminal proceedings??? Over 600 rioters and insurrectionists have been sentenced for attacking the Capitol and attempting to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Trump has been indicted, both federally and in Georgia, for attempting to illegally overturn the results of the 2020 election that he lost. He will have his day(s) in court(s).
Deepen the political divide??? The country is already hopelessly divided. How does not holding people accountable for their criminal actions lessen the divide? It doesn't. It would make matters worse.
Democratic traditions??? That's rich since MAGA Republicans obviously do not believe in democracy because they will not accept the results of an election that they lost. They claim the election was stolen without an ounce of evidence. That's not democracy that is autocracy.
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What is disturbing with many lefties is that they often answer with cliches and slogans instead of trying to understand the proposed discussion point.
You made your thinking abundantly clear. I rebutted your positions clearly and objectively. I used no "cliches" or "slogans". I used facts, logic, and reasoning. So we disagree. That's what debate is for.
He won't have to, the ridiculous charges against him will not stand. They have nothing to do with law enforcement and everything to do with politics. Agree with the rest of your post.
How Dumb Is GA Case? Trump Indicted For Tweeting To Watch TV
A prosecutor in Georgia has become Democrats' latest instrument of election interference, unveiling more indictments against Donald Trump.
thefederalist.com
So 91 ridiculous charges in 4 jurisdictions, huh? The indictments have everything to do with law and order and accountability. Calling the charges political is you being political.He won't have to, the ridiculous charges against him will not stand. They have nothing to do with law enforcement and everything to do with politics. Agree with the rest of your post.
How Dumb Is GA Case? Trump Indicted For Tweeting To Watch TV
A prosecutor in Georgia has become Democrats' latest instrument of election interference, unveiling more indictments against Donald Trump.
I expressed an assumption that Trump was aided by overzealous personal prosecution and indirectly by very harsh sentencing of the rioters. This boosted his support among large segment of the republican populace. My assumption is that if the prosecution was milder and low key he would not be the front runner. You did not discuss nor disapproved this assumption opting instead to repeat some general rant of the left press.
For me the strategy of Democrats is perfectly clear. They want Trump to run and deepen the political divide in the country as much as possible. They know that Trump is hated not only by Democrats but even by a large segment of Republicans as well. They know that they have almost no chance against some reasonable Republican candidate. If, for example, Nikki Haley is running against Biden, the Democrats stand no chances, z e r o. In my opinion, this overzealous prosecution is done quite deliberately with the stated above political motive. If Trump has any brains, he should through his support behind Nikki in exchange for full pardon for himself and the rioters.
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I think you are giving them too much credit, the Occam's razor votes against your theory. In my view, they are scared shitless of the looming Trump's victory. Of course they can't dream of convicting him on any of the bullshit charges they rolled out against him, so they just intend to tie him up in courts for the whole duration of the election season. I suspect their brilliant strategy will backfire, perhaps even spectacularly so.
Overzealous prosecution and very harsh sentencing??? The harshest sentence was 22 years to Proud Boy leader Tarrio for seditious conspiracy. That's less than half of the 55 year sentence given to Oscar Lopez Rivera for seditious conspiracy in 1981. Seems to me like Tarrio's sentence was historically light.
You are incorrect, sir. Democrats don't want trump to run. They want him, and MAGA extremists, to go away. They want the republican party to come to it's senses and nominate a principled, conservative republican. The American democracy requires both major political parties to be in favor of American democracy.
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The charges against trump are not "bullshit". The charges are legitimate allegations supported by facts. I suggest you read the indictments, but I'm sure you haven't and won't. Trump may have hardened his support among MAGA Republicans but he has lost the support of independent voters. He is destined to lose again in 2024 just like he lost in 2020.
PENCE said today ''Republican voters face a choice between CONSERVATIVE PRICIPLES----qui ont toujours inspiré leurs grands leaders----and the rising---under TROMP---populist movement within the party.''
He said the populists were substituting traditional values for ''an agenda stitched together by little else than personal grievances and performatve outrage.''.....wow....nothing to add.....
He said the populists were substituting traditional values for ''an agenda stitched together by little else than personal grievances and performatve outrage.''.....wow....nothing to add.....
All irrelevant. The point is that even when he "won", there were 3 million more people who voted for the person who "lost" - three million! The majority of American's did not want Donnie as president.Hillary never complained about the electoral college system before the election. I can even imagine her making fun of Trump complaining about it if she had won
You can’t change retroactively a system. Trump might have campaigned differently in popular vote system (campaigning in illinois, california and new york) while Hillary might have tried to get votes in the South. Voters would have behaved differently too.
Also, Scheer got more votes than Trudeau in 2019. Is he the rightful winner? Of course not…
They are NOT "politicized criminal proceedings" - they are purely CRIMINAL proceedings against CRIMINALS and traitors. A crime is a crime even if someone is a violent rightwing nut job or a longtime grifter who happened to once occupy the White House. Guess what? CRIMINALS have criminal proceedings against them when they commit crimes!
You may be surprised how swift conversion occurs from an ordinary citizen to a criminal for almost anything. Even for participating in this hobby as it is against the law. And the majority would say: criminal is a criminal. If you kill a person, you may get 20 years, and some disorderly protest get you 22. Are you prepared to serve 5 years for participating in this hobby?
Nobody was sentenced to 22 years for "some disorderly protest". Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years for seditious conspiracy by leading an effort to attack the Capitol and stop the peaceful transfer of power. That 22 year sentance was far less than the 55 years given to Lopez Rivera in 1981 for a similar crime.
You call a riot where protesters shouted "hang Mike Pence", erected a gallows and injured hundreds of police officers some disordedly protest.
Have you seen more than 5 minutes of it, unless FoxNews did show only what pleased their audience.
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