Ya, we sure went down the rabbit hole on this thread. 
DFK refused?
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You are kidding I hope.
Why would you see her again, have you ever heard of email, text, hope you asked her if she was pissed at you or what the problem was before spending another couple $$$ to get a repeat of what happened last time. I would certainly ask and make sure she would make it up to me, repeating with someone who provides lousy service if you believe it was not your fault is ridiculous.
We have a better method lol. Works every time.
I find the DFK thing so hard to deal with. That acronym/service is really ambiguous. I wish there was an official definition everyone used.
To some people, DFK is pretty normal kissing but honestly for others it's like your mouth is being assaulted by their tongue and I can't handle that.
There's being too aggressive in their kissing technique.
There's drooling in my mouth, which I'm sorry, is just gross. Like literally drooling saliva in my mouth, beyond what is normal.
There's bad breath and there's pushing the whole head against my face while kissing, makes me feel claustrophobic. Lol
Not saying the OP did any of that but just explaining that DFK doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. IMHO it's a useless acronym if it doesn't mean the same to people.
I just kiss the way I kiss lol
What would be the difference between LFK and DFK?
To some people, DFK is pretty normal kissing but honestly for others it's like your mouth is being assaulted by their tongue and I can't handle that.
There's being too aggressive in their kissing technique.
There's drooling in my mouth, which I'm sorry, is just gross. Like literally drooling saliva in my mouth, beyond what is normal.
There's bad breath and there's pushing the whole head against my face while kissing, makes me feel claustrophobic. Lol
Not saying the OP did any of that but just explaining that DFK doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. IMHO it's a useless acronym if it doesn't mean the same to people.
I just kiss the way I kiss lol
What would be the difference between LFK and DFK?
Hello fellow brothers,
I just came back. When she saw me she apologized for the last session. I was so glad I didn’t piss her off and we are still in good terms.
She told me there was some miscommunication between the bookers. She was supposed to finish at 8pm, but the booker booked her until 10pm. Then, the booker did not tell her she still have 2 clients after 10pm.( I was at 10pm). When I arrived, she told the booker she doesn’t want to work anymore, the booker told her the client was already downstairs and drove from Toronto, she felt bad, went to see me and the guy after me anyway.
For the DFK, I did not ask her but I am positive it was because of my breath.
I just came back. When she saw me she apologized for the last session. I was so glad I didn’t piss her off and we are still in good terms.
She told me there was some miscommunication between the bookers. She was supposed to finish at 8pm, but the booker booked her until 10pm. Then, the booker did not tell her she still have 2 clients after 10pm.( I was at 10pm). When I arrived, she told the booker she doesn’t want to work anymore, the booker told her the client was already downstairs and drove from Toronto, she felt bad, went to see me and the guy after me anyway.
For the DFK, I did not ask her but I am positive it was because of my breath.
Hello Mlle Bijou,
I really appreciate that thoughtful answer. It is great to have the perspective of an SP.
Today, I went to see my SP, I felt too shy to ask her if my breath smell bad last time. I was afraid she is too nice to tell me the truth. Is there a way I can ask that question get a honest answer from the girl? thank you
It's a really difficult question to answer because I can't speak for all SP's. I really varies depending on a lot of things, the Sp's personality being one of them.
There are some Sp's who have no problem whatsoever being completely honest and telling their client their breath smells. I envy them lol
These are Sp's who will also tell clients other parts of the body smell and instruct them to go take shower I they haven't done so already (some people manage to come out of the shower still not smelling fresh everywhere, I'm not sure how that happens but it does. Possibly the same applies to Sp's, I'm not singling out clients).
Honestly this is a skill that is so important in this line of work. I'd say it is important in life in general and most lines of work.
However it is not an easy thing to do for everyone. Many of us are worried about hurting someone's feelings. We have unfortunately been taught that we are supposed to be nice, not too assertive. Being nice is both a necessity in our line of work (an asset) and a problematic thing.
I used to have a lot of difficulty setting clear boundaries and having them respected. It was very difficult to say anything that might be negative or too assertive because I was unable to get passed the idea that I had to please, be docile not difficult and not 'mean' or hurt someone's feelings. It is not fun in certain situations and I envied my sp friends who were telling me about the way they had handled this or that situation. I didn't know how to be that way. You end up frustrated, resentful and taken advantage of in some circumstances.
I don't think it's all that uncommon.
I am not sure exactly why, maybe experience, age, and just being fed up and unwilling to put up with certain things but I have been able to improve this so much in recent months. Sometimes I impress myself lol The limit is there now. Crossing it is not acceptable and I say so. It's no perfect but I just don't stay quiet when I feel something is not right, someone is not respecting boundaries or other circumstances.
TLDR;
HOWEVER I am still not at the point where I am able to tell someone things like their breath is bad or body odor is unpleasant and they should go shower. The inevitable result is that I am not going to be inclined to give the same service level they would receive if they were fresh. It is their responsibility and if they are not taking it seriously, then even if I feel it's unfortunate for them, honestly I feel I'm 100% justified. I'm not a robot.
I have told clients that I was not enjoying certain kissing techniques mentioned above (pushing their head and putting the whole weight on me, or being to aggressive, even for drooling into my mouth. I've not really been able to tell someone about their breath but I'm going to make it a goal to do it. Sometimes saying this makes a difference, other times it changes nothing.
What I would suggest is that you first make sure to do all that you can to make sure you are fresh. Carry a toothbrush and mouthwash, use it before the appointment. Pop a gum in for good measure. And if there is every a situation like this, BRING IT UP calmly at the time. Ask her if there is a problem with your breath, your technique or anything else you could fix. If asked, it's much easier for her to say these things.
The last thing I do before I meet someone is brush my teeth and use mouthwash. Just to be sure. We should all b doing this. Especially if the sp has mouthwash available for you.
Unrelated to kissing but wash your balls thoroughly, also under because it sweats. Same with your dick. And if you are uncut, for the love of god, Peel back the skin and soap it up (use mild, unscented soap - avoid heavily perfumed soaps or bodywash. Just as it does to women's vagina's, they actually do more harm than good in the long run. Stick to unscented ivory or dove type soaps)!
Not wanting to be crude but that's the things we should all do.
Oh and use a wet nap or face cloth to clean it if you go pee mid session
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This is exactly the reason I don’t use agencies.
Dont want to be part of an assembly line and end up on the short end of communication issues with the booker and SP.
All this shows is both the booker and the SP are not worth dealing with.
Guess she didn’t feel bad enough to give you a lousy session.
Yes the lady is not a robot, but she was not very mature either, it is far better to have no service than lousy service, no service only costs you your time.
I prefer repeating with Indys where I know I am going to have an absolute fabulous time.
I had so much nightmares with indies i stick to agencies. I am aware of the risk. Each their own things
100% agree with you on this. If there's been more good than bad encounters, leaving a bad review before moving on is just as petty as it is futile. Much better to be grateful for the good encounters than dwell on that one time when service was lacking.
Of course free flow of information and constructive feedback is important but it shouldn't be used as a tool for "revenge". Sometimes we see guys leaving really bitter reviews saying they'll never repeat and then complain about being blacklisted later on.
TBH im a little shocked by the general direction of the comments in this thread. One bad meeting out of a series of repeats shouldn't matter than much if you appreciate someone.
SP are not robots. They have bad days like every one else and sometimes have bad clients which can affect their performance for the rest of the day. Its not an easy job they're doing.
IMO, if you can't enjoy good company even if services are limited, it means you're not horny enough to be hobbying.
Just cause we're paying someone a few dollars for a meeting does not give us servitude over their body or make us entitled to services of any kind. When something is a little off, nothing wrong with just going with the flow, a little bit of kindness goes a long way in this world.
People can call me whatever they want but that's how i see it.
I agree. Sp are not robots
But if an sp i a moneygrab or short changes you because of a bad day. Deserves to be said
Sometimes it is a pattern that others relate to.
there are as many fake bad reviews as there are fake good reviews. And there are legitimate bad reviews
Here is the the thing though.
First of all I would not complain on a forum if I thought for one minute that I was part of the problem (bad breath or whatever)
If I had many good sessions and one going down the drain I would first ask the lady if things are ok or if something is bothering her.
I don’t mind ending the session or even just having a talk and trying to console her if she was hurt in anyway or had a bad session before seeing me, it can happen and a couple of hundred bucks is not going to put me in a different tax bracket.
What I won’t do is make excuses because the booker and an SP have a scheduling tiff and I end up on the short end of the stick.
To me both the booker and the SP don’t deserve a repeat as it is totally unprofessional on both counts.
There are too many women out there that will go out of their way to be kind and thoughtful for me to waste my time and frequent an agency where both the booker and SP are not professional.
Nobody is a robot, you don’t need to be, a little bit of common sense and kindness goes a long way on both sides.
First of all I would not complain on a forum if I thought for one minute that I was part of the problem (bad breath or whatever)
If I had many good sessions and one going down the drain I would first ask the lady if things are ok or if something is bothering her.
I don’t mind ending the session or even just having a talk and trying to console her if she was hurt in anyway or had a bad session before seeing me, it can happen and a couple of hundred bucks is not going to put me in a different tax bracket.
What I won’t do is make excuses because the booker and an SP have a scheduling tiff and I end up on the short end of the stick.
To me both the booker and the SP don’t deserve a repeat as it is totally unprofessional on both counts.
There are too many women out there that will go out of their way to be kind and thoughtful for me to waste my time and frequent an agency where both the booker and SP are not professional.
Nobody is a robot, you don’t need to be, a little bit of common sense and kindness goes a long way on both sides.
HA!
There you go. You experienced the hobby world version of the "I have a headache." At least you got an explanation and things have return to equilibrium between the both of you.
In real world civie relationships you will never get this. You get yelled at and being blamed for something you don't even know that probably happened some days/weeks/months ago and you end up frustrated and head to the bathroom and whack off. Then she screams at you some time again for not finding her attractive. Doh!
DFK goes along with GFE service, same as BBBJ, FIV and DATY being part of a basic GFE. It almost never happened I didn't get DFK, but in the rare cases it happened, the girls were definitely not GFE.
What I find unacceptable is that some reputed agencies advertise some of their girls as gfe while in fact they are not, having a restriction for fiv or dfk. Agencies should ensure that their girls offer a basic gfe service and if they have restrictions, they shouldn't accept them. There is definitely improvement to do on that side for gfe agencies that are often misleading people on a service that is in fact not gfe. Clients are entitled to receive the service they ask/pay for. This being said, I have almost always received the gfe service advertised, but in some rare occasions the agencies weren't assuming their responsibility on a promised service that had not been offered, which is clearly inappropriate and unacceptable.
What I find unacceptable is that some reputed agencies advertise some of their girls as gfe while in fact they are not, having a restriction for fiv or dfk. Agencies should ensure that their girls offer a basic gfe service and if they have restrictions, they shouldn't accept them. There is definitely improvement to do on that side for gfe agencies that are often misleading people on a service that is in fact not gfe. Clients are entitled to receive the service they ask/pay for. This being said, I have almost always received the gfe service advertised, but in some rare occasions the agencies weren't assuming their responsibility on a promised service that had not been offered, which is clearly inappropriate and unacceptable.
I never took for granted FIV being included with GFE services. Even some PSE providers wont let you, some girls just dont like it, and some clients are just plain too rough or have dirty fingernails etc.
Gfe would be lfk. Dfk is a bonus
Fiv is never an obligation for gfe. Especially since not all guys trim nails or have clean hands
GFE. The Girlfriend Experience is your run of the mill, vanilla sex.
I'm always extremely soft and respectful with girls and always have clean and trimmed nails. The same way men like when a girl handle their Johnny, women like when a man does them fiv, some sp's even begging me to go with digit during an amazing DATY, this is a true GFE. Your girlfriend would never refuse you fiv and dfk, and this is why the acronym gfe stands for, for an experience similar as you would have with your girlfriend. I had extremely good GF experiences with many skillful and conscientious girls of reputed agencies meeting the basic gfe standard/definition! Even a reputed outcall agency confirmed me that fiv is part of basic gfe and not negotiable, as they even fire girls not meeting this basic standard!!
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do share with us which agency would force their girls to do fiv By fear of being fired.
this is a service business. Girls love repeat clients. If fiv is important to a client and a girl wants repeat business she’ll do it. Wheter she takes pleasure from it or not unfortunately.
but to force it onto a girl when she does not want to…well that resembles something else…
Bbbj could be considered a gfe minimum. One popular girl recently announced cbj only. She was not fired, even fully booked.
Will be interesting to see how long it lasts
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Just like Flyingby, I'd love for you to tell us which agency forces the girls to accept fingers. I've never heard of an agency forcing girls to get fingered, but maybe you know more than we do, so enlighten us. Like, even in an actual real life situation with your own girlfriend, you are NOT entitled to literally anything of sexual nature whenever you want it. I know plenty of girlfriends who do not like fingers and their couple still works so they must be doing something well. There's a beautiful thing called consent and I strongly suggest you read about it because your post hides quite a few red flags and I don't want to say you're a person with an abusive mindset, but, like, you might be.
I personally have a love-hate relationship with fingers. It does sometimes feel really good but when it doesn't, it either feels like... boring, OR it really fucking hurts, man. I'm a very sensitive lady and I guess fingers are too "bone-y" and a lot of people just don't have a technique that vibes well with my body, not to mention the risk of infection, and the fact that I got my vagina cut (to the point of bleeding everywhere and having to take a few days off) by clients more than once... It hurts, it really does, and it takes income out of my wallet for a few days, and while I do let people finger me sometimes (either because I'm very turned on/like their technique or because they insist a lot and I know they have a merb account), I definitely prefer if someone plays with my clit instead. Anyone who has actually met me would agree that not fingering me does not take away from my service at all, lol.
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