DFK refused?

[CLOUD 500]

Probably the main reason why most SPs claim that this is their favorite position, they dont see your face and you dont see theirs.

Exactly what I wrote in my post and also the main reason they deny DFK, all that story about it being reserved for their BF is just an excuse. I just realized I wrote it wrong. I will edit my post.

 

[NataliaLatina]

It's a really difficult question to answer because I can't speak for all SP's. I really varies depending on a lot of things, the Sp's personality being one of them.

There are some Sp's who have no problem whatsoever being completely honest and telling their client their breath smells. I envy them lol

These are Sp's who will also tell clients other parts of the body smell and instruct them to go take shower I they haven't done so already (some people manage to come out of the shower still not smelling fresh everywhere, I'm not sure how that happens but it does. Possibly the same applies to Sp's, I'm not singling out clients).

Honestly this is a skill that is so important in this line of work. I'd say it is important in life in general and most lines of work.

However it is not an easy thing to do for everyone. Many of us are worried about hurting someone's feelings. We have unfortunately been taught that we are supposed to be nice, not too assertive. Being nice is both a necessity in our line of work (an asset) and a problematic thing.

I used to have a lot of difficulty setting clear boundaries and having them respected. It was very difficult to say anything that might be negative or too assertive because I was unable to get passed the idea that I had to please, be docile not difficult and not 'mean' or hurt someone's feelings. It is not fun in certain situations and I envied my sp friends who were telling me about the way they had handled this or that situation. I didn't know how to be that way. You end up frustrated, resentful and taken advantage of in some circumstances.

I don't think it's all that uncommon.

I am not sure exactly why, maybe experience, age, and just being fed up and unwilling to put up with certain things but I have been able to improve this so much in recent months. Sometimes I impress myself lol The limit is there now. Crossing it is not acceptable and I say so. It's no perfect but I just don't stay quiet when I feel something is not right, someone is not respecting boundaries or other circumstances.

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HOWEVER I am still not at the point where I am able to tell someone things like their breath is bad or body odor is unpleasant and they should go shower. The inevitable result is that I am not going to be inclined to give the same service level they would receive if they were fresh. It is their responsibility and if they are not taking it seriously, then even if I feel it's unfortunate for them, honestly I feel I'm 100% justified. I'm not a robot.

I have told clients that I was not enjoying certain kissing techniques mentioned above (pushing their head and putting the whole weight on me, or being to aggressive, even for drooling into my mouth. I've not really been able to tell someone about their breath but I'm going to make it a goal to do it. Sometimes saying this makes a difference, other times it changes nothing.



What I would suggest is that you first make sure to do all that you can to make sure you are fresh. Carry a toothbrush and mouthwash, use it before the appointment. Pop a gum in for good measure. And if there is every a situation like this, BRING IT UP calmly at the time. Ask her if there is a problem with your breath, your technique or anything else you could fix. If asked, it's much easier for her to say these things.



The last thing I do before I meet someone is brush my teeth and use mouthwash. Just to be sure. We should all b doing this. Especially if the sp has mouthwash available for you.


Unrelated to kissing but wash your balls thoroughly, also under because it sweats. Same with your dick. And if you are uncut, for the love of god, Peel back the skin and soap it up (use mild, unscented soap - avoid heavily perfumed soaps or bodywash. Just as it does to women's vagina's, they actually do more harm than good in the long run. Stick to unscented ivory or dove type soaps)!

Not wanting to be crude but that's the things we should all do.


Oh and use a wet nap or face cloth to clean it if you go pee mid session

I love how you put things so eloquently. I also have trouble telling clients that they have problems with their body odour. I have a bottle of mouth wash on the counter in my washroom and I ask everyone if they’ve showered beforehand. I also hand everyone a facecloth to use the washroom before we proceed to my working room. A lot of them could really use your tips.

 

[NataliaLatina]

All of the styles in the video mean DFK to some people. Saying deep French kissing with tongue doesn't tell me if your tongue likes The Reptile or The Spin Cycle. But I understand what you are saying and I guess there's really not much more you can say. But it's just something I have learned to manage.

Tbh I have turned down appointments when someone put a lot of emphasis on DFK, lots of it and that it was the most important thing for them. In those situations, I just didn't know if I could provide what they had in mind and didn't want to risk an awkward, disappointing experience on both sides, so I declined.

In reality, I may have totally enjoyed their version of DFK but I couldn't know that. And I just really can't promise reptilian tongue kissing as main feature. It's just the way it is. Makes me anxious so I just avoid it so they can find someone who doesn't mind.

But I get that it's not really possible to describe more and that most providers probably feel differently about it than I do. One of my quirks, maybe. Lol

Oh, as a provider I feel pretty much the same way. If someone contacts me and puts too much emphasis on the kissing, I may just leave them on read. If they come and the chemistry and hygiene is good.. I don’t mind. If it’s not up to par… they’ll be getting a lot of neck. Also.. there’s no need for saliva from nose to chin.. and some people don’t get that. If I have to stop to wipe my face then you’re doing too much.

 

[bodick7]

Oh, as a provider I feel pretty much the same way. If someone contacts me and puts too much emphasis on the kissing, I may just leave them on read. If they come and the chemistry and hygiene is good.. I don’t mind. If it’s not up to par… they’ll be getting a lot of neck. Also.. there’s no need for saliva from nose to chin.. and some people don’t get that. If I have to stop to wipe my face then you’re doing too much.

With experience, I learned not to force anything. Anyway, I love to do lots of passionate light kissing on neck and lips. I don’t take it personal if she refuse on lips. My GF told me once that kissing is the most intimate act between 2 human beings. I bet there are rude dudes who think they can do anything after paying.
I freakingly brush my teeth and clean my dick a couple of times before a meeting. Being told that I have bad breath or that my dick smell is probably my worst nightmare…Annas’ tip for light soap on dick and balls is dam right. I am uncut and had a reaction once with soap, I thought I got a STD…

 

[Halloween Mike]

I never really understood the difference between LFK and DFK. I mean a kiss is a kiss. I do like it with more tongue but im not expecting someone to shove their tongue in my mouth and personally i am anatomicaly unable to do so lol.

That said kissing is a must and not just a lip peck, must be sensual and all.

Ill admit i have not seen tons of providers the last 2 years but this covid excuse is BS. If you are close to each other for an hour, having sex and all, if any of you 2 have covid you will give it to the other person, kiss or no kiss.

As for hygiene, personally i always brush my teeth before a meeting, part of the shower routine.

 

[Geogeo1]

I freakingly brush my teeth

For sure brush your teeth (as you always should), but it is said it is better not to go too hard right before a meeting (gently brush).

 

[masmasak]

Mouth&sexual gates R both equally equateable&highly hazardous A refusal DFK in commodified sex industry is just a blessing in disguise .Not worthy of philosophysing.

 

[bodick7]

For sure brush your teeth (as you always should), but it is said it is better not to go too hard right before a meeting (gently brush).

Les micro fissures... At least an hour before. Within an hour, just do mouthwash.

 

[bodick7]

Le kiss est la bûche dans le poêle de la passion.

One day I had a session with a superb ebony girl. No kiss during interchange and when it was time to put my dick in her pretty ass, I wasn’t excited enough and couldn’t get to dilatation. Some heat from kisses before was cruelly missing.

 

[AlmostMidaged]

I think it’s crazy that some of you can’t understand how kissing would be considered more intimate than sex. It’s not a fucking excuse. Most people have their first kiss before 18. Many people associate kissing with romance from formative years and early adult relationships. And this goes doubly for girls. There’s some pot start interviews on this. The type of kissing also matters to, I think.

Kissing also has scientific research supporting that it can induce feelings of affection and attachment. I forgot what else I was going to say so signing off. Lol.

 

[Thatdude1276]

I think it’s crazy that some of you can’t understand how kissing would be considered more intimate than sex. It’s not a fucking excuse. Most people have their first kiss before 18. Many people associate kissing with romance from formative years and early adult relationships. And this goes doubly for girls. There’s some pot start interviews on this. The type of kissing also matters to, I think.

Kissing also has scientific research supporting that it can induce feelings of affection and attachment. I forgot what else I was going to say so signing off. Lol.

Thank you, that's exactly how I see it. Of course in the context of an SP, it becomes a service less to be offered when it is expected by most, so maybe not ideal. However, it remains their choice to keep kissing as something intimate to them and offer other sexual acts without any issues.

Really the only problem I have reading through this thread is people framing it as an excuse only. It might be the case for some, very probable, but I don't think saying they all use it as an excuse is the right mindset to have. It would be sad someone reacts with great offense because of it.

 

[Julia Sky]

Les micro fissures... At least an hour before. Within an hour, just do mouthwash.

Came here to say this!! I am actually concerned that so many people don't know this.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Came here to say this!! I am actually concerned that so many people don't know this.

Well, considering that so many of them need detailed guidance, just to properly wash their ass, it doesn't came as a surprise to me

 

[Halloween Mike]

Le kiss est la bûche dans le poêle de la passion.

One day I had a session with a superb ebony girl. No kiss during interchange and when it was time to put my dick in her pretty ass, I wasn’t excited enough and couldn’t get to dilatation. Some heat from kisses before was cruelly missing.

Same here.

When i was younger, a virgin etc, i remember my first time in a strip club and being rock hard (even pre-cumming my pants) during a dance just because i was allowed to touch some boobs lol. In some cases getting a boner just looking at a topless scene on TV or on the stage in the club.

Nowadays ... i need the engine to get started as well. I guess if she REALLY do not want to kiss, some other tricks could potentially do it like licking ears, breathing close to me, dirty talking etc, but reality is if she does not kiss the chances are the passion ain't gonna be there either.

One time i had a provider being more business oriented and starting sucking me while i was... well.. not hard. It was weird. It eventually got hard yes, but there was also an embarassing factor showing my flacid dick... When your dick is not a Danny D type of dick , you can get much "confience" between hard and not hard lol.

 

[bodick7]

Same here.

When i was younger, a virgin etc, i remember my first time in a strip club and being rock hard (even pre-cumming my pants) during a dance just because i was allowed to touch some boobs lol. In some cases getting a boner just looking at a topless scene on TV or on the stage in the club.

Nowadays ... i need the engine to get started as well. I guess if she REALLY do not want to kiss, some other tricks could potentially do it like licking ears, breathing close to me, dirty talking etc, but reality is if she does not kiss the chances are the passion ain't gonna be there either.

One time i had a provider being more business oriented and starting sucking me while i was... well.. not hard. It was weird. It eventually got hard yes, but there was also an embarassing factor showing my flacid dick... When your dick is not a Danny D type of dick , you can get much "confience" between hard and not hard lol.

ymmv: kind of a 2 way concept

With or without kissing, some girls has the twist to light me up, some other don’t… And that’s all right.
I guess you can’t please or be pleased with everybody.
For the ones who has the twist, it’s magical how fast a warm mouth can get it hard again, ready to call for duty.
And I thank them all for this gift of life.

 

[Flyingby]

That's why no kissing. It's too personal.

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