I also said “or question ones motives”.
The reality of the situation is that some SPs show their face and some do not, therefore it becomes part of the equation, no?
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The reality of the situation is that some SPs show their face and some do not, therefore it becomes part of the equation, no?
I do feel like sometimes there are ulterior motives behind conversations about certain things, like rates etc. I'm not saying it's necessarily the case now, but it's something that I personally believe to be true. Yes, it's part of the equation. If I hired a SP personally, I would want to know what their face looks like. That might sound shocking to you lol. But I wouldn't think that someone who doesn't should charge lower.
But would you say that those SPs who show their face usually tend to charge more?
I don't spend my time comparing my rates to other SP's because that's toxic, but I've seen a mix of both face in and face out SP's who charge very low and very high. I also don't think rates should have to do with how many risks you are taking and how conventionally attractive you are, but that's my personal opinion. I know more or less what clients want for the price range I charge, but I'm not going to start being competitive with SP's who offer the same thing and charge more or shit on SP's who offer the same services and charge less. I think enjoying a SP's service is highly subjective. I know some SP's who charge more than I do who offer cbj only and are face in.
I also think that some SP's are face out and charge more because it's their main source of revenue.. We also all have different lifestyles. I know one of the reasons I'm face out is that people in my group of friends don't judge me for being an escort. I'm not embarrassed by what I do and I'm not particularly afraid of somebody I know finding out, but I know some SP's are surrounded with folks who have much more conservative opinions and could face being harshly judged. I've met SP's who had boyfriends who don't know.
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I believe that a lot of SPs show their face as an extra enticement. In addition, they understand the possible legal and social repercussions, therefore they charge an extra fee as a result.
Hence the reason I compare with those who offer Cbj vs bbj.
But if you do not, then we shall just agree to disagree.
Even that is debatable. I know GFE only providers who charge really high rates. And I don't believe that their rates should be lower because they have boundaries.. We don't just offer sexual services we offer companionship and an experience, and that really varies. Everyone is unique. If I were to hire a SP I certainly wouldn't be able to afford a certain price but I wouldn't complain about it online or go see multiple SPs who charge very low and insult them in reviews. Do I have opinions and feelings about other SP's rates? Yes, but I've learned to keep them to myself because it's not considered a positive thing to do and I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me.
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I don't think SPs charge ''extra fees'' for being face out. I'm well aware that being face out is an extra enticement, but I've never thought that I had to charge more as a result of that personally. The choice of being face in vs face out has to do with many other factors in my opinion. Another thing to consider is that a lot of SP's also have done porn, and although there's less stigma around being a porn star vs a SP, I can see how that would make one more comfortable with being face out.
Yeah. I wrongly word my comment. Basically what you wrote. I just meant that face in or face out, it doesnt really influence what they charge
Generally speaking, the reality of the situation, and unfortunately like most things in this world, money is the main motivation.
It is not even about that.
It is what they think clients will be willing to pay.
There are some exceptionally gorgeous SP ( really meaning extremely popular) who think and can command a higher price I could name many that advertise on Merb. They may initially command it with their looks but then maintain it with the quality of their service later.
If it works more power to them. All of us want to be paid at the highest level possible for our work why would SP be an exception.
In the end the market will decide if their rates are realistic and they can or cannot achieve their goals with it,
How is it unfortunate that a job is money motivated? It's a job. How often do we need to say it? Obviously being face out is money motivated because you may get more clients from it if you have a pretty face, but that doesn't mean you are doing it to charge more.
I just think that you don't see what's happening behind the scenes in SP's lives, which is the case of many people who post here.
Other advantages of being face out for me :
-not having clients ask me for pictures, which already happens because some guys don't understand how to figure out if a person is real or not
-clients perhaps trusting me faster because they ''get my vibe'' better when they see my face, or they like the look in my eyes (which is a comment I get very often)
-not having to deal with an awkward conversation about my face when i first meet a client
-lower chances of being rated from 1 to 10 which is humiliating
-not having clients ask me for pictures, which already happens because some guys don't understand how to figure out if a person is real or not
-clients perhaps trusting me faster because they ''get my vibe'' better when they see my face, or they like the look in my eyes (which is a comment I get very often)
-not having to deal with an awkward conversation about my face when i first meet a client
-lower chances of being rated from 1 to 10 which is humiliating
I kind of accept their wish for me that is the determining factor.
If they wanted to show their face then they would have done it.
For sure I will agree with you that probably all of us would like to be able to see their face prior to booking them.
For me if I like what I see on their web page, twitter, reviews, I am willing to gamble their asking price to see them and discover what their face looks like.
A couple of hundred dollars is not going to put me in a different tax bracket and in most cases I was pleasantly surprised and they looked better than I had expected.
Some of us are also more willing to take risks when it comes to rates than others. Like I mentioned earlier I often think of raising my rates to a certain level lately, but I don't feel comfortable doing that right now. Not because I don't think I'm attractive enough or offer a good enough service, but for other reasons. A SP who has another well paid job may be okay with seeing just a few clients every month. Some SP's also have cautiously raised their rates over a very long period of time, and some charge clients they have seen for a long time different rates. I've only been in the business 2.5 years, and my situation is different from someone who started before the pandemic.
I was actually surprised by how well received it was when I finally raised my rates last june. So far every time I raise my rate, I get a better clientele, and it's not because my newer clients have more money, they are just more selective and particular and see less SP's. I do still want to offer affordable services and I have adjusted the service I offer as well, but you'd be surprised how often I've been told I was charging too low before that point. I've had many guys tell me they hesitated to book me because my rates were low and comparable to MP and agencies. And no offense but agency clients have often not been the nicest to me. (that isn't to say that clients who see agency girls are bad! it's just my personal experience, and from what I see here, the more often clients see SP's, the more dehumanizing their attitude can be... and you can see SP's more often if you go to MPs and agencies)
A lot of people here will not stop saying that they'd never pay to go on a dinner date with a SP. Does this mean we don't get taken on dinner dates? Nope. I actually went on a really nice one last night!
It's the same thing with rates. You may think someone ''doesn't deserve'' to charge a certain rate, but another person will be willing to pay that rate. No matter how often you discuss these topics, it won't stop clients from booking social time or paying over a certain rate.
BTW I am not sharing that to shame SP's who charge less because I understand why they do and I don't know the situations that they are in.
A lot of people here will not stop saying that they'd never pay to go on a dinner date with a SP. Does this mean we don't get taken on dinner dates? Nope. I actually went on a really nice one last night!
It's the same thing with rates. You may think someone ''doesn't deserve'' to charge a certain rate, but another person will be willing to pay that rate. No matter how often you discuss these topics, it won't stop clients from booking social time or paying over a certain rate.BTW I am not sharing that to shame SP's who charge less because I understand why they do and I don't know the situations that they are in.
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Sorry for posting so much but I just want to note that there are many expenses we have that clients forget about. Advertising can cost me up to 400$ a month sometimes. Some SP's pay a monthly incall ''rent'' which is often around 400$. Some SP's literally have their own private incall which is a second rent. Professional photoshoots can be over 500$ and we're expected to constantly have new pictures. Also : hair, nails, lashes, makeup, skincare, gym, injectables, surgeries, etc etc etc. The more you move forward in the industry, the more you have to pay. And many of us wish to either see less clients eventually or retire one day, and that means paying to go back to school, to get formations, investing in other things etc.
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I don't agree. I have been doing this for 10 years and I never spend so little money on my business. It's all choices we decide to make ourselves; your marketing can be whatever you want it to be. The pressure to get injections and expensive lingerie is not the issue—it's a personal decision they've chosen to make.
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It's very true, I do think some standards are created by SWs themselves... But to me it seems like a lot of things depend on how you initially are perceived by the majority of men who see SWs, how long you've been in the industry and building your clientele, how many clients you want every month etc. Stuff like injections and fancy lingerie is obviously superfluous but it's still part of a lot of people's image
Also, keeping each other safe is the non-enforcement of consenting adults under C36 by Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver police that issued press releases after passing, based on your Charter's "satety of persons" provision. I wish the US had such a strong constitutional provision.
I also agree that companions do not show their faces on public sites for privacy and safety reasons. Think of a mad, upset ex-boyfriend or parents who would be shocked and not approve, etc.
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