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Halloween Mike

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For me it comes with "lust".

I do book "more often" agency girls because at 260-280$ its obviously much lower and some of them are repeat so i already know how good their service, look (including face) are and i think to myself im gonna have a great time and it will cost me around 300$(with extras if offered). And if im taking a chance with a provider i never seen, if it end up not as great as i wished, at least its not a huge ammount. But i do still "do my homework" with reviews of course.

But then there is indies i been "lusting" over for sometimes years. And ocasionally ill pull the trigger and be like "ill book her once to satisfy that lust". No matter if the service is great or not, i know it will be a one time thing because i can't afford this often.

But thats me and obviously a richer client won't mind the premium price if he get good service. There is guys for who 200$ is like 2$. Others where its more like 20$. Comparing to me of course.
 

Dave in Phoenix

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seeing a drug addict is dangerous for a client also.
In Victoria, BC, I had an escort fall asleep lying naked on top of me. I know I am boring, but.... let's see, do a gentle nudge. What do I do? I am trapped under this body. True story, and it turned out she was on drugs, per the receptionist, in an incall of an agency.
 
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Fradi

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In Victoria, BC, I had an escort fall asleep lying naked on top of me. I know I am boring, but.... let's see, do a gentle nudge. What do I do? I am trapped under this body. True story, and it turned out she was on drugs, per the receptionist, in an incall of an agency.
Now I understand why you book spinners lol.
 

Dave in Phoenix

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There are reasons why people become SP's, but somehow that never gets discussed... And I get it because that would ruin the magic. But if you don't want to talk about that, don't complain about our rates. :)
I am not sure how the reason for being an SP relates to rates. However, since I am interested in an SP more as a person than just a body—for the hour together—the why is of interest to me.

In the US, the propaganda of the anti-sexwork crowd gets political attention and our harmful laws since they argue that no woman in her right mind would be a sexworker unless abused or has some terrible emotional issue to choose such an immoral profession.

A similar argument was made in Ontario in Canada v. Bedford, invalidating the original law against living of avails and incalls (outcall was long legal). The lower Ontario Court, in one of the longest rulings in history (like 150 pages - the female judge - I wrote extensively about it at the time,) strongly rejected these "friend of the court" briefs from mostly US anti-sexwork groups. The crown appealed and the Supreme Court of Canada affirmed 9-0. Then Canada passed C36 for which a number of cases have been lost (in favor of an escort agency etc) from arrests in smaller cities and seems the Crown hasn't appealed.

Many years ago, when I had about 1000 folks on my Phoenix Private email list, a professor at the Univ of Arizona in Tucson contacted me seeking an escort to talk to her class - forget the topic of the class. I found an escort willing to travel if I would go with her and we rode down (actually up) to Tucson. It is a very friendly mix of genders, with a smaller class of maybe 15. We intended to show escorting in a positive light, fighting all the raids and arrests. I followed many court cases and reported on them. Agencies and the famous Phoenix Goddess Temple were charged with criminal enterprise like the Mafia and I heard judges give 'Donald Advicement" of up to 100 years in prison if they didn't take a plea deal if convicted (worse than murder because every time they traced money it was a new money laundering felony and would add up years if all counts consecutive). Most pled to felonies and probation. Tracy head of the Goddess Temple refused to plea, her bail was initially set at $2m, convicted and served 4 years in prison. Her crime was allowing hand jobs in their goddess ceremonies. I attended many of the hearings over 4 years, and once, when I hadn't been there for some break, the judge said to me, "We missed you!" !!

I had over 250 detailed reports on proceedings going to lawyers and friendly folks all over the US and many escorts and those following the case from my reports. Many famous folks testified for the defense, including Huf, the now deceased NV brother and the famous owner (the very nice guy with ties to Phoenix I had dinner with), the founder of the Inst of Advanced Sexuality, who testified the military had him provide prostitutes from Isreal for the Navy! He was standing next to me in a break when he got the call from the Dept of Defense ordering him to get immediately to the airport where a plane was waiting to fly him back to his home state of NV. Interesting times. Also, many famous activists like Annie Sprinkle, who is very supportive on my private list, testified and many other famous pro-sex activists in the US

Sorry for the diversion. I do that a lot. Back to the Univ of AZ class:

There were lots of good questions, but towards the end, I was asked why she chose to become an escort. To my surprise and probably the prof and class, she talked about abuse growing up and all sorts of emotional issues.... just like the anti-sexworkers said.

I know many escorts that claim they do it because they enjoy men and sex and of course, the money. But is that the fantasy they want us to think?

I got to know a few escorts well long ago in Phoenix and with their friends. I am 100% convinced they were doing it for the "right" reasons and did enjoy their work not JUST the money. But I always wonder about that with escorts etc I meet. WIth our new repressive AZ State laws the women I knew have retired or moved to saver cities and have not met any in Phoenix in about 10 years. Along with a few other contact groups that warned against bad clients and many other safety-related concerns, shut down after AZ (with the help of Ms McCain - like the wife of a famous US Senator) passed a law that even assisting or promoting was a felony in AZ.
 
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Dave in Phoenix

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If I were to hire a SP I certainly wouldn't be able to afford a certain price but I wouldn't complain about it online or go see multiple SPs who charge very low and insult them in reviews.
Sometimes, it's not affordability but simply being frugal and not spending more than we need to in order to fulfill our desires/intimacy needs. Just like I have never tipped an escort, massage gal or stripper above the expected rate, to me it is racist since that was its origin and in Asia, it is often considered an insult; in Germany in restaurants just rounded up to the nearest Euro so didn't have to bother with change, which I did and nothing else was expected.

Rates in the free-market world are based on a capitalist system that has worked well. Like in all industries, escorting is based on supply and demand and what the market will bear for maximum profits for executives and shareholders. Escorts are all combined. That would be great if an escort has as much income and free time as desired at $1000 an hour. I support those who charge high fees. I have no interest in anyone over $250-$300/hour because I know I have great options at lower costs for my desires, so why pay more?

That is also my renewed interest in Montreal, as many costs are lower than in Toronto. As long as I can understand French accents and plenty of English-speaking folks since without Google Translate, I have no French understanding and am too old or desire to learn.
 

Dave in Phoenix

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we decide to make ourselves; your marketing can be whatever you want it to be. The pressure to get injections and expensive lingerie is not the issue—it's a personal decision they've chosen to make.
I don't understand the typical male fascination with big breasts and butts. But it would be a boring world if we were all the same. I only choose naturals, not over C breasts, since that is what I am attracted to... and for me, the natural naked woman's body is far more attractive than any lingerie as long as it fits my other physical and hopeful personality criteria. I am not into lust but an intimate relationship for the hour with body, mind and spirit. I do not understand how women like our male bodies but am sure glad they do! I am a zero on the Kinsey scale.

On faces, wow
While I totally support covered faces, I am attracted to friendly, smiley faces. Maybe it's because I don't have such a good attribute—I never learned to smile well—but not old grouch, either, I hope.

But in strip clubs, when you have to make a fast decision of yay or nay when approached, I am attracted to friendly, not overly made-up faces with a smile that may reflect personality—there, rather than my old grouch look.

If the gal enjoys I have also enjoy face caressing but always ask first. And from many strippers, I have learned some really like their ears rubbed, which I would have never thought of. We still have some good strip clubs in Phoenix - the new law is not being enforced where you can not sit on laps but dancers have to straddle chair arms vs lap. I testified at the city against the new rules but was written by Christian group "to save neighborhoods and children" and passed with as an emergency message just like ban on swing clubs and I don't mean dancing. Was a Lifestyles convention speaker but another long story.

I have no interest in the dancing (seen zillions of naked women, no big deal) the music is noise to me, and I don't drink always have my Diet Coke. Toronto clubs are much better than Montreals' for more my intimacy vs sexual private dances which I have enjoyed for decades. In fact, a strip club experience in Mpls first got me out of my very conservative evangelical Christian background and, indirectly, the formation of Libchrist.com old site and Phx couples group. Another story
 

LC18

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I don't agree. I have been doing this for 10 years and I never spend so little money on my business. It's all choices we decide to make ourselves; your marketing can be whatever you want it to be. The pressure to get injections and expensive lingerie is not the issue—it's a personal decision they've chosen to make.

I think I also became better at managing my money and choosing more economical ways to advertise and host.

I don’t really pay for advertising outside of merb to be honest. I just invest a lot of time on Twitter and it does the job. Some could say that time is money but…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Cap'tain Fantastic

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There are reasons why people become SP's, but somehow that never gets discussed... But if you don't want to talk about that, don't complain about our rates. :)
I never complained or judged girls on their rates, none of my business. But I did try, at times, to discuss about how and why did they end up working as an SP and all I got was very evasive answers at best, but most of the time it was just a plain refusal to answer.

Of course I never insisted since my guts feeling were that, for most of them, it had been dictated by traumas, but they rather deny it, which is understandable. From there I choose to not inquire anymore.
 
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Lunaseraphim

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I never complained or judged girls on their rates, none of my business. But I did try, at times, to discuss about how and why did they end up working as an SP and all I got was very evasive answers at best, but most of the time it was just a plain refusal to answer.

Of course I never insisted since my guts feeling were that, for most of them, it had been dictated by traumas, but they rather deny it, which is understandable. From there I choose to not inquire anymore.
I think most of us don't want to talk specifically about why we as individuals became a SP because that information could be used to harm us. "Oh you don't need the money that much? Then why not do this for free or lower the rate?" Or "If you need the money that bad you should do xyz".. it's also personal info and many of us don't want to talk about our personal lives.

But there's a larger discussion about the wide range of reasons why people enter this industry that I feel is really important to have. Is this forum the right place for it? I'm not entirely convinced.. because not everyone has good intentions.
 

Lunaseraphim

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I don't really want to get involved in this thread anymore.. but I never said it was a problem not to want to pay more than a certain amount or not being able to. I was just being like "hey guys let's stop complaining about escorts who have higher rates and create expectations per price points and talk about rates again as its known to be something we're not supposed to bring up here". That's it. I myself only charge 300h and according to op I guess I fit expectations per price point lol so I'm defending other people. (except contrarily to OP my clients aren't insisting on 2 shots in an hour, not that I would say no) I hope everyone has a nice day.
 
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stef22

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perso maintenant le prix à une influence, par contre je peux payer un peu plus pour un meilleur service, je reste dans la moyenne du milieux (250-280hrs).

par contre si une indy me tente plus, je suis prêt à payer beaucoup plus que d'habitude.

exemple, je vais être bientôt prêt a payer 800$ pour 2 hrs avec un femme comme Gisele de Montréal (si elle accepte), p-c-q je la trouve vraiment belle et en plus j'aime son raffinement (voir son twitter)
 
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