Give me a number - What percentage of the female population have been SPs/MPs

[Uranus is Blue]

Taking into account ladies 95 years old to girls 18 years old, what percentage of the population in your opinion have or now is participated in the biz? I suspect the percentage has risen dramatically in the last 10 years, but there must be a few 95 year old ex-SPs around.
I woulf put the estimate at 2% or 1 in 50.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I was discussing this with a friend just a couple of weeks ago. Here's the math:
There are about 1,600,000 people in Montreal, 800,000 of them female.
Of these 800,000, approximately 100,000 of them are between the ages of 20-30.

If the mean career expectancy of a sexworker is six months (and remember some work just a few days, some work for years) and there are 2,500 sex workers in Montreal at any given time, that means that 50,000 girls work in the sex industry over a 10 year period. If half of them are not from Montreal originally, that reduces the number to 25,000.

If my math is correct, and all of my numbers in the first paragraph are approximate, while those in the second are guesses, the answer to your question would be 25%.

Going just a bit farther now, if you assume that 75% of the female population is not attractive enough to work in the sex industry, what you're left with is 100% of all attractive females in Montreal are, at one time or another, sex workers.

Note that there is the remote possibility that some of my numbers or logic might be off, however slightly.

 

[Bud Fox]

.....and there are 2,500 sex workers in Montreal at any given time, ......

Very interesting analysis, rumple. 100% seems so shockingly high! Do you honestly believe that? If your math is correct, it will certainly make us look at women in Montreal in a different way

Btw, how did you get 2500? There aren't even 100 sps with the agencies on the board.

 

[evillethings]

In MTL, 5% current + past workers. 5 in 100 woman have or current participate in the industry. So many ladies apparently try it for just a few days and realize they can't handle the psychological aspect of the job.

 

[Aeolus]

What percentage of the female population have been SPs/MPs

It varies by time and place. It also varies in accordance to your definition of prostitution.

I think Uranus' and EvilT's estimates are a lot closer to reality than Rumple's. If I had to throw-out a number, I'd say it's probably around 3% in the Montreal area. Travel to Bankok, Rio, or Kiev, and the number would probably be higher. Out on the prarie in bible thumper land, the number would probably be lower. Hop in a time machine and travel back to the wildwest in the late 1800s, and you'd definitely see numbers as high as Rumple's estimate.

Change your definition of prostitute to include anyone who fucks someone for popularity or to secure a meal ticket, and the numbers would likely soar through the roof.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Very interesting analysis, rumple. 100% seems so shockingly high! Do you honestly believe that? If your math is correct, it will certainly make us look at women in Montreal in a different way

Btw, how did you get 2500? There aren't even 100 sps with the agencies on the board.

First off, there are well over 100 SPs with the agencies that advertise here. I'd guess closer to 150. Then you have to add in all those with agencies that don't advertise on the board; take a look at the back of the Mirror or the Journal. Then add in the indies on Annonce 123. Now add in all the MPs, both those that advertise here and those that don't. Now add in all the strippers in all the clubs in town. I'd bet the number 2,500 is pretty conservative.

In MTL, 5% current + past workers. 5 in 100 woman have or current participate in the industry. So many ladies apparently try it for just a few days and realize they can't handle the psychological aspect of the job.

And how did you come up with your number? A wild guess, I'd suppose. You're probably closer to accurate than is my 100%, but I'd bet that if you split my original 25% and your 5%, 15% would be pretty close to accurate.

Hop in a time machine and travel back to the wildwest in the late 1800s, and you'd definitely see numbers as high as Rumple's estimate.

If not higher.

 

[Rod Blagojevich]

I would say over a lifetime, including the ones that work once and give it up to the 10-15-20 year career girls at least one in 10 or one in 15.

 

[eastender]

Montreal

I was discussing this with a friend just a couple of weeks ago. Here's the math:
There are about 1,600,000 people in Montreal, 800,000 of them female.
Of these 800,000, approximately 100,000 of them are between the ages of 20-30.

If the mean career expectancy of a sexworker is six months (and remember some work just a few days, some work for years) and there are 2,500 sex workers in Montreal at any given time, that means that 50,000 girls work in the sex industry over a 10 year period. If half of them are not from Montreal originally, that reduces the number to 25,000.

If my math is correct, and all of my numbers in the first paragraph are approximate, while those in the second are guesses, the answer to your question would be 25%.

Going just a bit farther now, if you assume that 75% of the female population is not attractive enough to work in the sex industry, what you're left with is 100% of all attractive females in Montreal are, at one time or another, sex workers.

Note that there is the remote possibility that some of my numbers or logic might be off, however slightly.

Do not see how you propose to distinguish between Montreal proper and the Greater Montreal area with a population of over 3.8 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Montreal

So your numbers are significantly off.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Do not see how you propose to distinguish between Montreal proper and the Greater Montreal area with a population of over 3.8 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Montreal

So your numbers are significantly off.

Did you read my initial post? "If half of them are not from Montreal originally, that reduces the number to 25,000."

 

[evillethings]

...And how did you come up with your number? A wild guess, I'd suppose. You're probably closer to accurate than is my 100%, but I'd bet that if you split my original 25% and your 5%, 15% would be pretty close to accurate...

Guestimate... half outta my ass and half outta my head... same thing in the end really.

When we consider present + past sex workers, look at the number of clubs, parlors, agencies, etc. especially in MTL... MTL probably has a higher % than most other cities.

...Going just a bit farther now, if you assume that 75% of the female population is not attractive enough to work in the sex industry, what you're left with is 100% of all attractive females in Montreal are, at one time or another, sex workers...

I'm going to a plant myself on an outdoor patio when the weather warms up and count how many women are attractive. I know we all do that anyway but I never bother counting.

 

[eastender]

Sadly

Did you read my initial post? "If half of them are not from Montreal originally, that reduces the number to 25,000."

Sadly I read your initial post and that is time wasted that I will never get back.

There are a number of flaws in your assumptions mainly the need to differentiate and the ability to do so between any group of workers by dividing them into Montreal and GMA or in any other fashion.

Given the transient nature of sex work there is no point to this distinction. Unless you can justify a 1 for 1 trade off between the two areas and you cannot since agencies - dancers, etc export more workers into the various regions and outside the province than are imported.into Montreal.

The second major flaw is the assumption that the populations - Montreal and GMA are similar in age. They are not. Simply look at the school age population and the % of capacity in Montreal schools vs the GMA area schools. The under thirty population is disproportionately located in the GMA as opposed to Montreal - youth sports, education, housing, all support this position.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

There are a number of flaws in your assumptions mainly the need to differentiate and the ability to do so between any group of workers by dividing them into Montreal and GMA or in any other fashion.

Ignoring your inability (or unwillingness) to punctuate correctly, I think I can sort of make sense of this run on sentence, except that even when I insert the proper punctuation, well, huh? Are you trying to say something? If so, I'm afraid you've failed utterly.

Given the transient nature of sex work there is no point to this distinction.

What distinction are you talking about? Did I mention any distinction?

The second major flaw is the assumption that the populations - Montreal and GMA are similar in age. They are not. Simply look at the school age population and the % of capacity in Montreal schools vs the GMA area schools. The under thirty population is disproportionately located in the GMA as opposed to Montreal - youth sports, education, housing, all support this position.

You have this bass-ackwards, my friend. If by school-age, you mean 12 year olds, you are absolutely correct. However, in the 19-25 age group way, way over half of those in the GMA live right on this island either having come here to work or to go to school.

 

[eastender]

I See...............

Rumples,

Now I see CSMartin's point. You are simply throwing out nonsense data and insults hoping to bully others into agreement.

You dance all over the place with numbers first its 20-30 year olds then 19-25 year olds.Whatever has the slightest hope of making your point you will use.

Now we have the Rumples famous "way over". Another way of saying that you do not have a prayer of producing the actual numbers but will try to bluff your way along.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Now I see CSMartin's point. You are simply throwing out nonsense data and insults hoping to bully others into agreement.

You dance all over the place with numbers first its 20-30 year olds then 19-25 year olds.Whatever has the slightest hope of making your point you will use.

Now we have the Rumples famous "way over". Another way of saying that you do not have a prayer of producing the actual numbers but will try to bluff your way along.

Ah, how little you know. Actually, the figure isn't quite 50%, but 48.34%. Unfortunately, I am unable to reveal my sources as great harm would come to several people if word got out that someone was disseminating for free the results of studies into which a considerable amount of federal research money was spent. I would love to be able to tell you how I came up with these facts regarding women between the ages of 23-34, but I'm afraid I'm not at liberty and would feel terrible if blood were spilled on my account. I trust you'll understand.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Bingo!

And there is no way to tell the correct %, simply impossible, let alone prove "100% of all attractive women in Montreal are sex workers", "even slightly", lol, that's just crazy to assume... lol, unreal. Just when you think you have seen and heard it all.
(shaking head)

In all reality, the number is probably much, much lower, in the 2-5% catagory.

Rumples,

Now I see CSMartin's point. You are simply throwing out nonsense data and insults hoping to bully others into agreement.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Bingo!

And there is no way to tell the correct %, simply impossible, let alone prove "100% of all attractive women in Montreal are sex workers", "even slightly", lol, that's just crazy to assume... lol, unreal. Just when you think you have seen and heard it all.
(shaking head)

In all reality, the number is probably much, much lower, in the 2-5% catagory.

Each of my posts in this thread have clearly been tongue in cheek.

EDIT: These personal digs are getting to be a little too much. Post cleaned and if this behavior continues there will be a price to pay. Taking shots at each other in the sports forum is one thing, insults posted on the rest of the board are entirely different.

Mod 8

 

[Fidel Castro]

I would say 1 in 10. Maybe granny had a past.

 

[Aeolus]

I would say 1 in 10. Maybe granny had a past.

Sometimes I wonder if my granny had a past: married to a sailor and bar hopping around naval bases while gramps was out at sea. Perhaps there is a genetic reason for my hobbying.

 

[CS Martin]

Taking into account ladies 95 years old to girls 18 years old, what percentage of the population in your opinion have or now is participated in the biz? I suspect the percentage has risen dramatically in the last 10 years, but there must be a few 95 year old ex-SPs around.
I woulf put the estimate at 2% or 1 in 50.

I don't see anything that limits the question to a geographical area. So limiting it to the Montreal Metro and defining it only to cash (no other trade in kind) for sex. Then sifting out the Gold Diggers, Law Firms, Secretary/Assistant arrangements, and "Sugar Daddy" arrangements, I would estimate 1 in 4 (i.e. 25%).

Note: I didn't say they made a career out of it. I just said my estimate one in four had traded sex for money once in their lives.

2nd Note: Does "the biz" take into account girls giving bj's under the stairs or in the broom closet at school? i.e. is a bj being in the biz or do we accept the "Slick Willie" definition of sex?

 

[CS Martin]

Rumples,

Now I see CSMartin's point. You are simply throwing out nonsense data and insults hoping to bully others into agreement.

You dance all over the place with numbers first its 20-30 year olds then 19-25 year olds.Whatever has the slightest hope of making your point you will use.

Now we have the Rumples famous "way over". Another way of saying that you do not have a prayer of producing the actual numbers but will try to bluff your way along.

EE,

Now you've done it!! Nothing is going to incite the situation more than referring to me. Best way to incite a flame war is to say, "Now I see CSMartin's point". Shit, where's that flak jacket?

CS