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Always fun and intense la vieille rivalité HABS-BRUINS....Bergeron is out for at least one month.....cela crée un trou immense au centre pour Pastrnak et Marchand.......aux Habs d"en profiter et à Price de faire la différence....je mettrais un p'tit 2 sur les Habs.....enjoy.
Autre dure dure défaite qui va laisser des traces....et pourtant ils étaient revenu de l'arrière avec 2 buts en 3ème...Drouin le héros avec le but égalisateur et le zéro avec une punition de 4 min. en fin de match qui leur a coûté la victoire....too bad....et Price toujours incapable de faire la différence...4ème défaite consécutive..
L'immeuble commence à s'effriter....c'était prévisible la structure est trop fragile.....surprenant même qu'elle ait résisté jusqu'à ce jour.
L'immeuble commence à s'effriter....c'était prévisible la structure est trop fragile.....surprenant même qu'elle ait résisté jusqu'à ce jour.
Weber de retour ce soir.....souhaitons que les Habs offrent une belle victoire--cadeau à leur nouveau capitaine.....et la présence de Weber devrait beaucoup inspirer et agir sur la confiance de Price devant le filet.....à suivre....bon match......
Pas si certain. Depuis le debut de la saison j'ai dit aux gens que la performance du CH n'etait qu'un mirage et qu'ils reviendraient sur terre apres un mois ou deux de la saison. Que l'equipe manquerait les series. Que le CH ferait une enorme erreur si Kostkaniemi demeurait avec l'equipe au lieu d'etre patient en lui donner le tant de developper et en plus garder 1-2 annees de controle sur son contrat avant qu'il ait le droit de devenir joueur autonome. Que ca pressait pas car ca prendrait jusqu'a 5 ans pour que l'equipe soit de nouveau competitve.
Le CH tente d'echanger Weber et ca me suprendrait pas si ca arrivera cette annee. Cependant le CH devra payer une portion de son contrat qui se termine seulement en 2016. Meme chose pour Carey Price. Est-ce que l'equipe va attendre qu'il aura 35-36 ans avant que l'equipe sera competitive encore? Mais echanger ses deux joueurs ne sera pas facile a cause de leurs gros contrats.
Le CH tente d'echanger Weber et ca me suprendrait pas si ca arrivera cette annee. Cependant le CH devra payer une portion de son contrat qui se termine seulement en 2016. Meme chose pour Carey Price. Est-ce que l'equipe va attendre qu'il aura 35-36 ans avant que l'equipe sera competitive encore? Mais echanger ses deux joueurs ne sera pas facile a cause de leurs gros contrats.
I feel they will win tonight .they don't want to loose 5 games in a row.Weber probably is the Capitan in the NHL.but dont excpect much from him tonight becaust is been a long time he has not played.But knoweing his caractor he will do his best.Good luck Weber.
Nobody seems to care that Karl Alzner was sacrificed for the return of Weber:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25384945/montreal-canadiens-place-defenseman-karl-alzner-waivers
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25384945/montreal-canadiens-place-defenseman-karl-alzner-waivers
I doubt anyone will pick him up. Too expensive.
Habs lost again. That's five in a row. They're now out of a playoffs spot. Panic mode!!!
PLPP Now In Play
In this situation, the only stat that matters is PLPP (playoff/last place proximity). PLPP measures the relative distance from a playoff spot and last place (which of course could be first place in the Jack Hughes sweepstakes). Under PLPP theory, if you are as close or closer to last place than you are to playoffs, you tank your ass off and try to win the Hughes sweepstakes.
MONTREAL CANADIENS PLPP
Playoffs - 1 point away
Last Place - 5 points away
Based on current PLPP, they keep fighting. Once PLPP shows the last place is either equal or closer, you start the tanking.
In this situation, the only stat that matters is PLPP (playoff/last place proximity). PLPP measures the relative distance from a playoff spot and last place (which of course could be first place in the Jack Hughes sweepstakes). Under PLPP theory, if you are as close or closer to last place than you are to playoffs, you tank your ass off and try to win the Hughes sweepstakes.
MONTREAL CANADIENS PLPP
Playoffs - 1 point away
Last Place - 5 points away
Based on current PLPP, they keep fighting. Once PLPP shows the last place is either equal or closer, you start the tanking.
McElhinney a gâché le retour de Weber....just too good with 48 saves.....et quel manque d'opportunisme de la part des Habs....c'est souvent le cas.....sûrement relié au manque de talent......quand même un bon retour pour Weber qui a joué près de 25 min et une assistance.
Interesting concept. I had never heard of that before (I do not follow hockey news that much I just watch games).
That said I do not believe in tanking in order to get best draft. Look at the Oilers they still suck even tho they had such great first draft.
You need a good base of players... Bring back Radulov with Byron healthy and the Habs would not have lost 5 in a row... Does not take much in this league to be out of the playoff or top contender...
Look at the stats list and you will see plenty of example of late draft player who developed into great player... Few example:
Rantanen 10th
Kucherov 58th
Pastrnak 25th
Gaudreau 103rd
Cheers,
Not true- look at the Leafs and Sabres. Both are on top of the league due to a well executed strategy of sucking and tanking. Oilers are poor example because they have been a mismanaged team. If you do not at least attempt to execute the strategy then your team is destined for perpetual mediocrity. Your post is basically the dinosaur attitude of the past. You win with young talent that is allowed to grow together. This is why the Leafs and Sabres are stunningly quickly on top, and why Montreal has been perpetually an 8-12 team for the last 15 years. It will continue unless the sucking and tanking is executed as a strategy. Otherwise you don’t get great young talent and you don’t. Look around what’s happening in the NHL and smell the coffee.
Jalimon makes some very valid points. Tanking doesn't necessarily mean that things will change dramatically. A lot of things have to happen for success to happen.
Let's take the Leafs for example. Let's face it: the Leafs finished in last place at the right time. It happened when a generational/franchise player like Auston Matthews became available in the draft. In most draft years you can't find players like him. But prior to drafting Auston Matthews the Leafs had the fortune of drafting the great Mitch Marner, whom many believe will one day be as highly regarded as Matthews.
At the time Marner was drafted many (including me) believed that the Leafs had made a mistake and should have drafted Noah Hanifin. At draft time Marner was only the 6th-ranked North American player and that's not counting top-ranked European Mikko Rantanen, who currently leads the league in points. Hanifin was drafted immediately after Marner by the Canes.
A year prior to Marner the Leafs drafted William Nylander 8th overall. In 2012 the Leafs drafted Morgan Rielly 5th overall. A year later it was Freddy Gauthier in the 21st spot but he's barely an NHL player.
What i'm saying is that the only time the Leafs literally 'tanked' was the year they ended up drafting Auston Matthews. But without the likes of Morgan Rielly, William Nylander & Mitch Marner the Leafs are not contenders. And without trading for goalie Frederik Andersen 2 years ago the Leafs are definitely not contenders. He's as important to the team as the likes of Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Rielly. Andersen is now considered among the top goaltenders in hockey & he also leads in number of shots against year after year.
A lot of things also went right when the Leafs decided to go for Matthews. Sure they finished last but there was no guarantee they'd win the lottery. They very easily could have ended up picking second or later. Sure, Patrick Laine wouldn't have been too shabby of a pick. But i doubt drafting him instead of Matthews would have had such a dramatic impact on the franchise. Auston Matthews is a great centre and he makes players around him much better than they really are. Laine is a winger & scorer and doesn't have the same role on the team. Other players may make him better, actually. He's also not the type of leader that Matthews already is. Matthews is already a candidate for the captaincy of this prestigious franchise. I'm not too certain Laine will ever be named captain. Leadership just isn't in his make-up.
But let's be honest: Auston Matthews to the Leafs doesn't happen if the Leafs don't end up trading Phil Kessel & Dion Phaneuf for next-to-nothing. What they got back for those players were journeymen players & several didn't even end up playing for them. Sure they got Kasperi Kapanen in the Kessel trade but it took Kapanen several seasons in order to be NHL-ready. Nylander's absence also greatly contributed to his success. By ridding themselves of their two top players in Kessel & Phaneuf the Leafs were able to deep further down into the standings. Once Kessel was gone THE LEAFS WERE LITERALLY A TEAM UNABLE TO SCORE GOALS!!! And with Phaneuf gone the various goalies suddenly began feeling like they were facing a firing squad game after game!
And finally, success comes from the top down. The Leafs would not have been able to come up with that plan & later success had management not underwent a complete overhaul. Bringing in Brendan Shanahan as President of hockey operations turned the tide. He then hired Lou Lamoriello as his GM with Mark Hunter & Kyle Dubas as assistant GMs. They then went after the top coach in the league when he became available and managed to outbid Detroit in landing Mike Babcock. Shanahan and Lamoriello then totally replaced the scouting department and then decided to rebuild the farm team (Toronto Marlies) by signing one of the top young coaches in the game: Sheldon Keefe. The emphasis was on the farm team developing talent for the big team. And last season, the Toronto Marlies ended up winning the Calder Cup while in the process breaking many minor league records. They often appeared unbeatable and didn't lose too many games during the entire season.
What i'm saying is that without Shanahan and his management team there is no Auston Matthews. There is no Mitch Marner, who actually was a Mark Hunter pick since Hunter knew him from his days with the London Knights. Had Hunter not been there the Leafs likely would have picked Noah Hanifin. And without Shanahan and Lamoriello there is no Frederik Andersen trade. And without all of this there is likely no John Tavares signing during this offseason.
A lot of things had to happen for the Leafs to be considered Stanley Cup contenders today and it wasn't by pure accident. It took the right people pulling the strings and the right players becoming available at the right time.
The Leafs have continued their winning without Auston Matthews in the lineup. He's missed close to 15 games so far & he'll finally be returning to the lineup tonight. And by the end of the week i'm expecting William Nylander to be signed & ready to report to work. Maybe this is their year, after all. But who knows? A lot of things have to happen for the Leafs to win and it's very easy for the tide to turn around if some things start to go sour, like injuries to key players. That's why for me the most important on the team right is Frederik Andersen. Without him in the lineup i doubt the Leafs can make a run for the Stanley Cup.
Let's take the Leafs for example. Let's face it: the Leafs finished in last place at the right time. It happened when a generational/franchise player like Auston Matthews became available in the draft. In most draft years you can't find players like him. But prior to drafting Auston Matthews the Leafs had the fortune of drafting the great Mitch Marner, whom many believe will one day be as highly regarded as Matthews.
At the time Marner was drafted many (including me) believed that the Leafs had made a mistake and should have drafted Noah Hanifin. At draft time Marner was only the 6th-ranked North American player and that's not counting top-ranked European Mikko Rantanen, who currently leads the league in points. Hanifin was drafted immediately after Marner by the Canes.
A year prior to Marner the Leafs drafted William Nylander 8th overall. In 2012 the Leafs drafted Morgan Rielly 5th overall. A year later it was Freddy Gauthier in the 21st spot but he's barely an NHL player.
What i'm saying is that the only time the Leafs literally 'tanked' was the year they ended up drafting Auston Matthews. But without the likes of Morgan Rielly, William Nylander & Mitch Marner the Leafs are not contenders. And without trading for goalie Frederik Andersen 2 years ago the Leafs are definitely not contenders. He's as important to the team as the likes of Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Rielly. Andersen is now considered among the top goaltenders in hockey & he also leads in number of shots against year after year.
A lot of things also went right when the Leafs decided to go for Matthews. Sure they finished last but there was no guarantee they'd win the lottery. They very easily could have ended up picking second or later. Sure, Patrick Laine wouldn't have been too shabby of a pick. But i doubt drafting him instead of Matthews would have had such a dramatic impact on the franchise. Auston Matthews is a great centre and he makes players around him much better than they really are. Laine is a winger & scorer and doesn't have the same role on the team. Other players may make him better, actually. He's also not the type of leader that Matthews already is. Matthews is already a candidate for the captaincy of this prestigious franchise. I'm not too certain Laine will ever be named captain. Leadership just isn't in his make-up.
But let's be honest: Auston Matthews to the Leafs doesn't happen if the Leafs don't end up trading Phil Kessel & Dion Phaneuf for next-to-nothing. What they got back for those players were journeymen players & several didn't even end up playing for them. Sure they got Kasperi Kapanen in the Kessel trade but it took Kapanen several seasons in order to be NHL-ready. Nylander's absence also greatly contributed to his success. By ridding themselves of their two top players in Kessel & Phaneuf the Leafs were able to deep further down into the standings. Once Kessel was gone THE LEAFS WERE LITERALLY A TEAM UNABLE TO SCORE GOALS!!! And with Phaneuf gone the various goalies suddenly began feeling like they were facing a firing squad game after game!
And finally, success comes from the top down. The Leafs would not have been able to come up with that plan & later success had management not underwent a complete overhaul. Bringing in Brendan Shanahan as President of hockey operations turned the tide. He then hired Lou Lamoriello as his GM with Mark Hunter & Kyle Dubas as assistant GMs. They then went after the top coach in the league when he became available and managed to outbid Detroit in landing Mike Babcock. Shanahan and Lamoriello then totally replaced the scouting department and then decided to rebuild the farm team (Toronto Marlies) by signing one of the top young coaches in the game: Sheldon Keefe. The emphasis was on the farm team developing talent for the big team. And last season, the Toronto Marlies ended up winning the Calder Cup while in the process breaking many minor league records. They often appeared unbeatable and didn't lose too many games during the entire season.
What i'm saying is that without Shanahan and his management team there is no Auston Matthews. There is no Mitch Marner, who actually was a Mark Hunter pick since Hunter knew him from his days with the London Knights. Had Hunter not been there the Leafs likely would have picked Noah Hanifin. And without Shanahan and Lamoriello there is no Frederik Andersen trade. And without all of this there is likely no John Tavares signing during this offseason.
A lot of things had to happen for the Leafs to be considered Stanley Cup contenders today and it wasn't by pure accident. It took the right people pulling the strings and the right players becoming available at the right time.
The Leafs have continued their winning without Auston Matthews in the lineup. He's missed close to 15 games so far & he'll finally be returning to the lineup tonight. And by the end of the week i'm expecting William Nylander to be signed & ready to report to work. Maybe this is their year, after all. But who knows? A lot of things have to happen for the Leafs to win and it's very easy for the tide to turn around if some things start to go sour, like injuries to key players. That's why for me the most important on the team right is Frederik Andersen. Without him in the lineup i doubt the Leafs can make a run for the Stanley Cup.
And your post doesn’t even analyze Buffalo doing the same thing. They managed to get Eichel and Dahlin. Skinner is having the year he is having because of playing with Eichel and Dahlin leads NHL rookies in assists. And he is 18 and Eichel is maybe 21. But to put your team in position to get a good full crop of young players requires at least 3-4 years of suckitude and you use those years to stockpile draft picks. The Canucks are also doing the same. These teams have rushed the NHL standings because they properly executed the 3-4 year sucking and tanking program. One goes hand in hand with the other. U can’t just discuss the tanking you also must discuss the sucking of at least 3-6 years.
Nice post doc.
I am not saying the tanking would not work. Simply saying it's not a guarantee for success at all.
We need to give Buffalo at least another year to see if the team is strong contender. New Jersey was flying last year...
How much would you consider many players avoid Montreal because of all the crazyness around the team? I know many players prefer to sit on big contract somewhere where they a left quiet, where nobody recognized them and where not scoring a goal every game will not be considered a disappointment ...
Cheers,
I am not saying the tanking would not work. Simply saying it's not a guarantee for success at all.
We need to give Buffalo at least another year to see if the team is strong contender. New Jersey was flying last year...
How much would you consider many players avoid Montreal because of all the crazyness around the team? I know many players prefer to sit on big contract somewhere where they a left quiet, where nobody recognized them and where not scoring a goal every game will not be considered a disappointment ...
Cheers,
Jalimon,
If you are referring to desirable free agents it’s not the craziness, they don’t care about that. It’s the high taxes. All these guys care about is someone smacking them in the wallet. The solution is to jack up the salaries but Montreal hasn’t seemed willing to do that and overpay free agents, as they must. And Montreal isn’t any crazier than playing in Boston or NYC. All the guys who play for the NY Rangers, such as Lundqvist, and many others, love that atmosphere. Lundqvist lives in Hell’s Kitchen and walks to work at MSG and did so for years. You have to be a bit crazy to play hockey in the first place, and once that craziness is there, the other craziness you mention is nothing to them. They just want to be paid. In Montreal unless your Carey Price you can’t get paid enough to offset the high taxes.
I personally met the QB of the Montreal Alouettes (Darian Durant) and he liked Montreal but hated the taxes on his salary. These guys have tax issues way different than you and me. So Montreal will never be a place to go for FAs and they MUST build through drafting young cheap guys. This should be obvious as day to anyone.
If you are referring to desirable free agents it’s not the craziness, they don’t care about that. It’s the high taxes. All these guys care about is someone smacking them in the wallet. The solution is to jack up the salaries but Montreal hasn’t seemed willing to do that and overpay free agents, as they must. And Montreal isn’t any crazier than playing in Boston or NYC. All the guys who play for the NY Rangers, such as Lundqvist, and many others, love that atmosphere. Lundqvist lives in Hell’s Kitchen and walks to work at MSG and did so for years. You have to be a bit crazy to play hockey in the first place, and once that craziness is there, the other craziness you mention is nothing to them. They just want to be paid. In Montreal unless your Carey Price you can’t get paid enough to offset the high taxes.
I personally met the QB of the Montreal Alouettes (Darian Durant) and he liked Montreal but hated the taxes on his salary. These guys have tax issues way different than you and me. So Montreal will never be a place to go for FAs and they MUST build through drafting young cheap guys. This should be obvious as day to anyone.
I totally agree with you. So called "tanking" doesn't guarantee success. Tanking rarely achieves its goal(s) unless a bonafide franchise/generational player is available. You also must win the draft lottery. And 'tanking' won't bring any success or much changes unless you have competent people at the top who know how to properly run a hockey franchise. The Edmonton Oilers are proof that unless you have competent people running the team then even drafting players like Connor McDavid, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins & Leon Draisatl won't make that much of a difference.
Still with the Oilers.....signing NY Rangers backup goalie Cam Talbot to that big contract was a big mistake. Trading a phenom & current NHL MVP Taylor Hall for average defenceman Adam Larsson was a tremendous mistake.....the type of mistake an organization takes years to recover from. Signing Milan Lucic was another big mistake & so was trading Jordan Eberle for Strome.
I wouldn't say that hiring Todd McLellan was a mistake. He was stuck coaching players given to him by his GM Peter Chiarelli, whom i now consider a bad hiring. The only good thing he did in Boston was bringing along Zdeno Chara. I also consider the hiring of Bob Nicholson a questionable move. And let's not talk about the previous hiring of Kevin Lowe, whom i always considered to be a disaster.
Who knows, maybe the Oilers should consider hiring Wayne Gretzky and name him the team's President.
As for the Buffalo Sabres i'll also adopt a wait-and-see attitude. The have an abundance of talent over there but currently it appears the best moves the organization made was in hiring Jason Botterill as its GM and having Phil Housley coach the team. But we're not yet at the middle point of the season & the team's fortunes could very well turn around. What if Jack Eichel gets hurt? Will it be the same team?
It's way too early to tell. Now that they're at the top of the standings the rest of the league has taken notice & will no longer take them lightly. Let's wait another couple of months to see how the current Sabres season turns out.
EB I am afraid you are correct. These guys make so much so yes high taxes will be a factor. At this level you do not care about free healthcare or free education haha
Doc I agree with you. Toronto is not the perfect example either for tanking because frankly they sucked for soooooooo many years it's about fucking time they do things right. Here is the most important city in current hockey (leader money wise) that was an absolute joke for so many years. Toronto deserves at least one Stanley cup and I do think they will.
Cheers,
Doc I agree with you. Toronto is not the perfect example either for tanking because frankly they sucked for soooooooo many years it's about fucking time they do things right. Here is the most important city in current hockey (leader money wise) that was an absolute joke for so many years. Toronto deserves at least one Stanley cup and I do think they will.
Cheers,
You raise a valid point that is often ignored in the fact playing in & relocating your family to Canada also brings you the great benefit of free healthcare, among other perks of living in Canada. I'm surprised not more Canadian teams used this as a bargaining chip. Or maybe they do. But considering how much money these young players are currently making it probably doesn't bother them that they may have to pay for health care out of their own pockets. They are young and believe they have their whole life in front of them and most fail to realize a professional hockey player's career only lasts a few years (on average). Then when it's all over it's back to reality and real life.
I forgot to mention Nazem Kadri the other day when i made my post about the Leafs. He was drafted by Brian Burke in the John Tavares/Victor Hedman in the 2009 draft. Burke was hoping that Brayden Schenn would still be available when the Leafs' turn to draft came about. But Los Angeles chose him in the 5th spot just ahead of the Leafs who ended up picking Kadri in the 7th spot. Kadri wasn't even listed among the top 10 North American skaters on draft day. Credit the scouting staff for the Kadri pick & he turned out to be a formidable pick in a very deep draft crop.
Ottawa badly wanted Kadri. GM Brian Murray went up to Brian Burke and made him an offer if Toronto swapped picks with them. But Burke to his credit stuck to his guns. Ottawa ended up picking Jared Cowen in the 9th spot. A few years ago he was traded (as a throw-in) to Toronto in the Dion Phaneuf trade and was immediately waived or bought out by the Leafs, never having played a game for them. The Leafs had to agree to acquiring him in order to force Ottawa to take on Phaneuf's contract. Cowen is now out of hockey.
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