And the Israel bonbs are no killing nobody ...Right ????
Hamas & Israel
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War is an ugly business, and it is common knowledge that often innocents (by the way not every civilian is innocent) pay the ultimate price. Thus, one should think twice before starting the war. Hamas and Hezbollah started war on October 7th and 8th of the last year. Now you see the consequences. Proportional response in the war is an oxymoron. Wars are won by applying superior force to destroy or at least incur some intolerable pain to the enemy to force it to surrender or accept disadvantaged solution. For too long Israel was denied of harvesting benefits of its war victories. This made the situation worse and intolerable. In this region only fear of disproportionately harsh response is the deterrent.
proportionality would be to annihilate hamas, hezbollah and the iranian regime because this is what they claim they want to do ...proportionality would be to make sure they don't harm you again.
Yes, that is what Hamas wants to do, as is clear from the intelligence discovered. Not that this is really any big secret:
Secret Documents Show Hamas Tried to Persuade Iran to Join Its Oct. 7 Attack
The Times reviewed the minutes of 10 meetings among Hamas’s top leaders. The records show the militant group avoided several escalations since 2021 to falsely imply it had been deterred — while seeking Iranian support for a major attack.
Not sure they are considered as “somebody”. When it is ok to massacre more than 60 thousand people, a third to half of them kids, I am certain they do not see them as people. They always use the 7th of October as the starting point of violence and seem to forget that they have been massacring Palestinians, destroying their homes, their schools their hospitals, occupy and settle their lands, and call that self-defense at least for 40 years now. When Palestinians react, even though the degree is so minuscule compared to what has been done to them, they are labeled terrorist. If someone dare criticize them, or even just ask them to be easy on Civilians he is labeled antisemitic, and yet they pretend to represent freedom, equality, and all that is human. They came up with the silly concept of human shield. I mean the lie is so ridiculous, I am amazed at how many people repeat it. If a terrorist holds a school hostage, do you kill all of them to kill a few terrorists? Every excuse they have is more ridiculous than the other. Now, they are protesting the size of their country, and they want to increase it by completing the takeover of the West Bank, Gaza, and the South of Lebanon. The map that Netanyahu showed in the UN was clear. He exposed all of their lies regarding the 2 states solution. They were never serious about it, and they claim they want peace.
I think you said it better than me. You described exactly what I think. The level of mondial hate of the Jews is higher now than it was in 1939 when Adolf Hitler took power in Germany. For Benjamin Natanyahu to get a war with the mulsuman world is crazy. It is something like if the french province of Québec was bombarding the english speaking states of Maine or New Hamshire or New York and hoping the US federal government would not get involved. Total crysiness. The Jews seem to have learn nothing from Holocaust. What a shame to start the madness of the second world war all over again.
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The Jews leaned something very important after the Holocaust, which is to fight back. As for craziness, you have not seen the full scale of it yet, as Israel has about 400 nukes.
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Why do you keep talking about a 2 State Solution as if the Palestinians would accept it? Hamas' entire playbook is a 1 state solution, meaning Palestine and total destruction of Israel. How can anyone reasonably expect anyone to defend such a playbook with anything other than destruction of Hamas?
These false equivalence posts with embedded fallacies really need to stop.
You point to Hamas because it suits your conclusion in disregarding the 2 states solution that was agreed on by all parties (except Hamas). Again, the short memory syndrome. The west bank government has nothing to do with Hamas, in fact they are completely opposed to them. Yet settlements numbers grew in the west bank. The map proposed includes the west bank. If Israel was serious about the 2 states solution that it agreed on, then they would have weakened Hamas legitimacy and appeal. This idea that everyone wants to destroy Israel is a fallacy, so instead of accusing others, check your information. There are calls for that by some radicalized movements, created because of Israel's aggressivity and lack of peaceful intentions, which has become very clear. Even debating them is a waste of time, as the leaders are expressing them plainly, which is in turn radicalizing more and more people. Israel has no intentions for peace. All it has proven is that it uses periods of calm to increase its hold onto the land. Everything they have done over the years is designed to take over the rest. Its claims of self defense are void and pure lies, as you cannot be the aggressor and claim self-defense. Their propaganda machines take facts and twist them so that they appear to be victims. Why is the Holocaust always mentioned in this conflict? Are the Palestinians guilty of it? Of course not, but it is to draw sympathy so that their crimes are tolerated. This is one example of how history and facts are twisted to provide legitimacy to the crimes they are committing.
Jews are not guilty of these crimes. Netanyahu and his band of gangsters do not represent Jews. They are a bunch of radical, fanatical, power hungry, money driven, expansionist colonialists. They used Judaism as the vehicle to mobilize people and draw world sympathy because of past sufferance. Lots of important and well-known Jews are coming forward and condemning the current massacres.
Absolutely wrong. Any other Israeli government will do the same, left or right. Just ask former Prime Minister Bennet (just before Netanyahu). The sons and daughters of high government officials and IDF commanders are volunteering or conscripted to the army and dying like everybody else. There are plenty of examples. There is no exception for military service except for ultra-religious, but this is changing too. As for the two-state solution, Palestinians demonstrated that they do not want it and are not ready for it. Now Israelis are also disillusioned with it even on the extreme left.
USA is telling ISRAEL has to stop killing the Gaza civilians in 30 days.
They finally got tired of the massacre of more than 40 thousands of Palestinians.
They could reduce or cut their miltary aid to Netanayu.
Palestinians do not want a two-state solution. Where did you get that ? Who and when they say that ??
The reality is that Israel is in the process of destruction os his neigbors one by one. And this is not hypothetical. But this will end with the destruction of Israel.
You are talking about the destruction of Hamas.....Wait a minute EagerBeaver. What is occurring is the destruction of innoncent Palestians. Innoncent babies.
I suggest you to read the post No 369 of Francoquart . You are a perfect exemple of what he has described
So much for the post #369: “…this idea that everyone wants to destroy Israel is a fallacy”. It is ridiculous and even quite dishonest to state that. The supreme goal of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran is precisely this and they stated it repeatedly and quite openly and have been indoctrinating their people with it for decades and author of #369 knows this. Nevertheless, Israel is strong and will be victorious as it was many times in the past. Dogs are barking but the caravan moves on.
Seems like palestinians can do no wrong and everything lies on Israel or even more the jewish people
No one call out Iran , Hezbollah and the proxies
Still they are not subject to arm embargo threats
Palestinians forfeites their right to a state after all of this terror . PA in the west bank is no better with the pay for slain policie and a century of terror
The game is clear… until they is a change in this obsession of wanting to anhilate israel and solid leadership they won’t have a state
No one call out Iran , Hezbollah and the proxies
Still they are not subject to arm embargo threats
Palestinians forfeites their right to a state after all of this terror . PA in the west bank is no better with the pay for slain policie and a century of terror
The game is clear… until they is a change in this obsession of wanting to anhilate israel and solid leadership they won’t have a state
Until they wake up and select new leadership that doesn't sacrifice them for enormous profits, they should not have a State. We are going to allow people to use money to fund terror and oppress their own people? What kind of insanity would that be?
Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer
Three of the terror group’s most senior figures are able fly private and relax in safety in the tiny emirate — a key US ally — while enjoying an $11bn fortune between them.
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Where did you took this picture ?? WWha is the name of this men ?? I am questioning he veracity of this picture. Please give your source.Until they wake up and select new leadership that doesn't sacrifice them for enormous profits, they should not have a State. We are going to allow people to use money to fund terror and oppress their own people? What kind of insanity would that be?
View attachment 81303Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer
Three of the terror group’s most senior figures are able fly private and relax in safety in the tiny emirate — a key US ally — while enjoying an $11bn fortune between them.
