Hamas & Israel

[minutemenX]

I do not think comparing the Israeli Palestinian conflict to WW2 is correct. The scope and the conditions are different. T

Well, it is different from your point of view as you are not in Israeli shoes. From the point of view of Israelis and many Jews in general this horrific massacre refuels collective memory of the Holocaust and put the Jewish slogan “Never again” on the fighting banner. For Israelis this is the War for survival, and they will wage it accordingly, whatever the cost.

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

I do not think comparing the Israeli Palestinian conflict to WW2 is correct. The scope and the conditions are different. This is not 2 armies fighting. It is one army (one of the strongest in the world), against a people it is occupying/controlling (depending on how you want to see it). It is not a war of ideologies. Why have you decided that the Israeli's killing of civilians is unintentional while Hamas's is? When an ambulance is transporting injured people, the IDF mistakes it for what? A Tank or a mechanized Infantry vehicle? A hospital is mistaken for a Bunker? How many mistakes do they need to do for you to be convinced something is wrong here? Do not get me wrong, I do not believe Hamas are angels.. I hate any religious group, but I do not let it blind me from the truth.
People are dying like flies. Casualties and destructions are horrible. It is only human to ask for this violence to stop. You cannot just point the fingers at Hamas, neglecting their context and their reasons.

With all due respect, my friend, if you have a clear understanding of the situation, it is obvious that you are unaware. Why is it acceptable for acts of violence such as slaughter, kidnapping, murder, and rape to be inflicted upon Israelis?

Are you suggesting that the Israeli government should ignore the events of October 7th and act as if nothing happened?

Please provide your response to the following questions, and I will respond accordingly:

What would be the outcome if Israel stopped fighting?
Answer: If Israel were to cease fighting, it would unfortunately result in the loss of lives for Jewish people worldwide.

What would happen if Hamas surrendered all their weapons?
Answer: If Hamas were to give up all their weapons, it would lead to peace.

Why did Israel give back Gaza to the Arab Muslims?
Answer: Israel returned Gaza to the Arab Muslims in hopes of achieving peace.

Why was Sinai returned to Egypt?
Answer: Sinai was returned to Egypt for the sake of peace.

When the Arab nations pursue a peace agreement with Israel, how does Israel respond?
Answer: Israel is always open to dialogue and working towards peace when the Arab nations express their desire for a peace agreement.

Israel is committed to seeking peace and is willing to engage in discussions whenever the Arab nations are ready to pursue peace.

Unfortunately, Hamas terrorists entered illegally and were well aware of the consequences of their actions. They deliberately instigated a war, anticipating that Israel would respond strongly to defend itself, thus causing the world to once again criticize Israel and the Jewish people.

Once the hostages are freed, we can consider the possibility of a ceasefire.

If Hamas truly cared for its citizens, they would never have committed such barbaric acts.

Why do they celebrate and rejoice in the streets over the massacre that occurred on October 7th?

Have you ever witnessed Israel celebrating the deaths of Palestinian citizens?

Such a sight will never be seen because Israel genuinely cares for the Palestinians and have compassion for the them. This is why Israel covers the cost of water and electricity for all Palestinian citizens, something that the Palestinian government (Hamas) has failed to do for its own people, instead choosing to initiate wars and use its own citizens as human shields.

Once this war is over and Hamas is eliminated, many Palestinians will be grateful to Israel.

I am sharing this link with you to witness firsthand the atrocities suffered by Israeli citizens on October 7th.

@Mod21 I apologize if posting this link violates any rules, and I kindly request that you remove the link, if necessary.

Photo/Video Archive_ Civilian casualties intentionally executed by Hamas.docx

docs.google.com

 

[poupsy]

This insistence on differentiating between Hamas and Palestinian I cannot understand. Hamas are Palestinians. On top of that they are Sunnis not Shia like Iran.
There are misconceptions in what you have said. Palestine is occupied. Gaza freed itself from the IDF direct presence, but the embargo was never ever lifted. Egypt are not imposing any blockade. but according to the peace treaty signed with Egypt in the 70's, what happens on that border is mostly decided by Israel. Egypt wants to send food and medication, the Israelis are refusing , and they even bombed the attempts.
You need to redefine terrorist, if it is killing civilians then Israel by far exceeds anything's Hamas has done in that area. If it is following a religion, then the this Israelis cabinet is one of the most religious extremist that ever ruled Israel. Hamas is supported by its people, which makes it legitimate. How many demonstrations did you see around the world in support of ISIS, or any other terrorist organization in the world. The answer is one big fat Zero. For Palestine, Gaza, Westbank. however, there have been so many.
The cause is real, Hamas, is just one of the many other organization that have decided that the best way to deal with occupation is resistance, because the Oslo agreement just brought misery to them. I also think that Hamas are extremist, but they gain strength with Israel brutality. In a sense, Israel is feeding Hamas's popularity.
We all hate hypocrisy, but the manipulative narrative is denying occupation, and accepting such incredible crimes in the name of self defense, while occupying, and/or sieging the people. The aggressor is never in self defense.
The 2 state solution was massacred by Israelis colons. They kept expanding settlements, and effectively divided anything that could be considered a second state.
As for the casualty, just follow the UN, UNICEF, and other international organization, no need to believe Hamas sources. The numbers are scary, and they are not done yet.

Would not repeat what is well aid in others post but I invite you to read them.

if the narrative from Palestinians is to liberate Israel from the river to the sea there is no négociations to be made. it means what it means.

Palestinian had a chance to have 96% of the partition but Arafat refused .
3 times the peace process was refused by Palestinians at the last minute .
They just can’t move on and build a futur . The Palestinian cause is an instrument for higher political purposes mainly to Iran and for hamas
Leader to steal millions of $ and they are not interested to solve it neither intereseted in the well being of their people.
I agree with you on the worldwide outrage for Palestinians but where where all this outrage when Assad killed starved 200000+ syrian arabs in syria?? Noone cared for them..

 

[EagerBeaver]

Are you suggesting that the Israeli government should ignore the events of October 7th and act as if nothing happened?

In fact many are suggesting a normalization of accepting terroristic acts against civilian populations. Such mass acceptance of this kind of behavior and the belief that it is NOT an act of war, but rather legitimate and acceptable acts of protest, spells the end of human civilization as we know it and the beginning of a rapid decline towards anarchy and self-destruction of the entire world. If Hamas were somehow allowed to survive this conflict politically intact, and in power, this result will have very profound and significant repercussions for the future of the rest of the world. It will send the message that it's OK to selectively or even randomly murder innocent civilians if it is done for a "proper" reason, to advance a cause or because the offending group is "oppressed", even though the truth is that the offending group is self-oppressed. This type of mentality is very disturbing and alarming for our future as a civilization. Unfortunately, the modern ability to manipulate social media to advance such political agendas in such a way as to sway mass opinion makes these very alarming concerns seem very real for our future.

 

[neverbored]

Well, it is different from your point of view as you are not in Israeli shoes. From the point of view of Israelis and many Jews in general this horrific massacre refuels collective memory of the Holocaust and put the Jewish slogan “Never again” on the fighting banner. For Israelis this is the War for survival, and they will wage it accordingly, whatever the cost.

Including violating the Geneva Convention and intentionally targetting women and children? "But they were military targets". How bad is Israel intelligence gathering ? You'd think we would only be hearing of military targets hit with the greatest space laser precision ... the hipocrisy is truly numbing. You can't get away with that shit anymore. For the same reason Russia can't keep pushing the Nazi narrative without getting laughed at by the entire world.

You'd think the world would have learnt by now that the approach of crushing a weaker population into submission no longer works. For every child and woman murdered, 1000 worldwide are rising against Zionist Israel. Israel has literally become the Nazis. And Israel still stands crying and guilting the world while trying to reverse the narrative that they are victims. No fucking shame at all.

You know you've fucked up when the world would rather support Hamas (or ISIS) over Israel, including jewish people. Take the hint already.

And before you bring up how Israel is a victim in this :

Israel are the exact opposite of what a victim is:

ISRAEL IS NOT A VICTIM

 

[neverbored]

Ex-IDF general likens military control of West Bank to Nazi Germany​

Ex-IDF general likens military control of West Bank to Nazi Germany

Amiram Levin accuses the IDF of being a 'partner in war crimes' when it stands by as settler extremists attack Palestinians, says situation in West Bank is 'absolute apartheid'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[neverbored]

 

[CaptRenault]

 

[neverbored]

 

[minutemenX]

I Unfortunately, the modern ability to manipulate social media to advance such political agendas in such a way as to sway mass opinion makes these very alarming concerns seem very real for our future.

Indeed, most mass media presents a very destorted picture.

Look who is underdog here:

Arabs- 450 M. Israelis- 9M. Total Jews 15-18 M

Add to this Iran, Turkey, Pakistan....

Everybody talks about Palestinians as they are the main players. In reality they are just a “frontman” manipulated by backstage players that are not interested in peace and are ready to resist “Israeli occupation” to the last Palestinian. What Iranian land Israel occupies? Why Hezbollah is preparing for war with Israel with 100,000 rockets ready to be launched against Israeli cities? Israel does not occupy any land in Lebanon. Why has Turkey declared to be ready to free Palestine by force and at the same time is bombing and killing fellow Muslim Kurds denying them statehood for over 60 years? Why is Bahrain giving Hamas money for tunnels and weapons instead of encouraging Egypt to open border with Gaza by building road infrastructure in Sinai? What Israel has to do with Yemen, from whom Iranian puppets launching rockets? Why is Syria hosting 60K Iranian Revolutionary guards ready to move across the northern Israeli border any day? Does people in all these countries are prosperous and enjoy free democracy and only Palestinians are the last Arabs suffering from injustice? I tell you that without such “friends” Palestinians would make peace with Israel long time ago with arrangements that benefit both people.

 

[wiinston17]

Some food for thought from a survivor in Kibbutz Be’eri. Very wise for their age, understandably due to the trauma they endured.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713166804896317799

 

[minutemenX]

Go insult police in Montreal. You will have the same treatment and in NYC it would be much worse.

 

[CaptRenault]

What does “From the river to the sea…” really mean?

 

[Anna Bijou]

Baby killers:
Disregard this post, it doesn't contain confirmation bias friendly content and therefore completely useless for you.
Just saving you some time, on the slight chance that you might actually read it. haha who am I kidding?!

Have a nice day!

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Everyone else who doesn't publicly defend Baby killing: Read on..
So I've realized not everyone actually cares if they know what they're talking about before they talk about stuff. And I know that's not the people who would care about anything that falls outside of their confirmation bias. So, this is really not for those people. It's not important or convenient when one chooses the position of Baby Killer apologist. However, I do know some people value adding to their knowledge and getting a solid understanding.

Of course, this information isn't hard to find for anyone who wants to.
You can find a thorough explanation here and a good list for further reading at the bottom of that page (the website is worth a visit).


I'll also leave this for you guys.

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Also:


“It’s important to remember this chant is in English and it doesn’t rhyme in Arabic, it is used in demonstrations in Western countries,” he said. “The controversy has been fabricated to prevent solidarity in the West with the Palestinians.”


Duh.

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Here's little bonus... Baby killers not really original or clever, eh?
Social media will continue to bring the lies to the light of day. It's also livestreaming as we speak the imminent expulsion of Palestinians of Gaza by Israel. They're making them walk - those who can. And they're going to push them out while the world watches and the baby killer cheerleaders cheers. The only name for that is ethnic cleansing. The Baby killers must have the biggest boner watching it while defending baby killing..

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[wiinston17]

Apparently, chanting it is enough for an arrest for hate crime:

https://x.com/CalgaryPolice/status/1722015939498311912?s=20

And then we have idiots (i.e. absolute human garbage aka their mom should have swallowed) doing this:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...mmunity-centre-firebombed-montreal-police-say

Firebombing a synagogue is ANTISEMITIC and is a disgrace to what peaceful protesters are standing for. Chanting from the river to the sea is NOT.

Here is my own interpretation of it:

From the river to the sea,
We dream that someday,
Palestinians and Israelis,
Will forever live in harmony

I invite anyone wanting to understanding more about this conflict to watch this video which is free from propaganda and biases inherent to mainstream media. If a picture is worth a thousand words... imagine what a video can tell you

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720747025593966674

 

[Anna Bijou]

At this point, most people who pay attention for longer than 2min understand what is going on. You see it by the enormous crowds protesting, you see it on social media ESPECIALLY with people under 30./ At this point, there are SO MANY American and Canadian Jewish voices speaking honestly and credibly that expose the baby killer crowds, the old guard, desperately recycling the lies and dehumanizing of Palestinians, the devaluing of their lives, the depraved narrative that turns their victim into the aggressor.... It's a house of cards and it's getting windy.

Baby killers are the only ones who can continue to deny what's right in front of our faces. Baby killers are antisemitic. They're the ones conflating Judaism to Zionism. They're the ones putting all Jews at risk by handing over weapons to antisemites and showing them where they can find a synagogue to bomb. They're literally giving them the fuel and fire too. But we're talking about baby killer apologists, is it that surprising?

Baby killers have destroyed all of our humanity. I'm not going to stop referring to baby killers as such, because baby killers shouldn't get to pretend they're not killing babies. I'll make sure everyone's reminded of it and of their defense of close to 4000 killed babies in the last month only and the effects will continue to kill even more even after the bombs finally stop.

 

[minutemenX]

. You see it by the enormous crowds protesting, you see it on social media ESPECIALLY with people under 30./

When guns are at work all discussions are pointless as war has its own logic and has to come to conclusion. As Yasser Arafat used to say “ You can go now and drink water from the Dead Sea if you don’t like our response”

As for people under 30 protesting, there was a saying: If you are not a socialist in your 20’s you have no hart, if you continue to be a socialist in your 40’s than you have no brains.

 

[poupsy]

Including violating the Geneva Convention and intentionally targetting women and children? "But they were military targets". How bad is Israel intelligence gathering ? You'd think we would only be hearing of military targets hit with the greatest space laser precision ... the hipocrisy is truly numbing. You can't get away with that shit anymore. For the same reason Russia can't keep pushing the Nazi narrative without getting laughed at by the entire world.

You'd think the world would have learnt by now that the approach of crushing a weaker population into submission no longer works. For every child and woman murdered, 1000 worldwide are rising against Zionist Israel. Israel has literally become the Nazis. And Israel still stands crying and guilting the world while trying to reverse the narrative that they are victims. No fucking shame at all.

You know you've fucked up when the world would rather support Hamas (or ISIS) over Israel, including jewish people. Take the hint already.

And before you bring up how Israel is a victim in this :

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Israel are the exact opposite of what a victim is:

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ISRAEL IS NOT A

Apparently, chanting it is enough for an arrest for hate crime:

https://x.com/CalgaryPolice/status/1722015939498311912?s=20

And then we have idiots (i.e. absolute human garbage aka their mom should have swallowed) doing this:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...mmunity-centre-firebombed-montreal-police-say

Firebombing a synagogue is ANTISEMITIC and is a disgrace to what peaceful protesters are standing for. Chanting from the river to the sea is NOT.

Here is my own interpretation of it:

From the river to the sea,
We dream that someday,
Palestinians and Israelis,
Will forever live in harmony

I invite anyone wanting to understanding more about this conflict to watch this video which is free from propaganda and biases inherent to mainstream media. If a picture is worth a thousand words... imagine what a video can tell you

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720747025593966674

first sentence of this videos is already a lie. no israeli solder was setting foot in Gaza.
no wonder so much hate

i invite you to look a t this one :

 

[wiinston17]

first sentence of this videos is already a lie. no israeli solder was setting foot in Gaza.
no wonder so much hate

i invite you to look a t this one :

how about these ones then... lie too?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721510927772811534

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722050036786209273

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721950302369202637

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721222064009306245

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721191240849293745

This is the beauty of social media. It exposes so many truths that isn't shown on mainstream media to cover the absolute barbaric actions committed by the IDF in the name of "self-defense".

 

[wiinston17]

And what about these ones? Lies too?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721180543566381308

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720457616822858102

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720459569296474530

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720467055126945823

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720466888608600457