I forgot to say, watch the video on mute. The content is self explanatory
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Hamas & Israel
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Very strange in regard to Oct 7 Hamas attack.
Might explain a lot of Hamas footage.
News in today:
Israel demands action ...Jerusalem Post
"The Jerusalem Press Club stated, "If indeed representatives of news agencies and significant networks were aware in advance of the expected massacre, it raises initial concerns about complicity in a crime or failure to prevent the murder."
News agencies with Hamas to get Hamas footage Oct 7?
The Body Cam Hamas terrorists paid by News agencies to get the footage?
Journalists don't work for free. Big money in spectacular war footage.
These news journalists knew in advance of the initial Oct 7 attack?
What a mess.
Might explain a lot of Hamas footage.
News in today:
Israel demands action ...Jerusalem Post
"The Jerusalem Press Club stated, "If indeed representatives of news agencies and significant networks were aware in advance of the expected massacre, it raises initial concerns about complicity in a crime or failure to prevent the murder."
News agencies with Hamas to get Hamas footage Oct 7?
The Body Cam Hamas terrorists paid by News agencies to get the footage?
Journalists don't work for free. Big money in spectacular war footage.
These news journalists knew in advance of the initial Oct 7 attack?
What a mess.
This is total nonsense. Social media is used to spread more lies and propaganda than "truths". Most people with half a brain can find hundreds of social media posts on any political issue to support whatever they think the "truth" actually is. We can have 100 posts with one hundred different "truths". Your "truths" are your "truths" and nobody else's.
First off, I didn't say social media was the be all end all. Furthermore, these platforms allows me to look at videos that the Western media refuse to air either due to censorship or hidden political agendas and then come to my own conclusion. I couldn't care less about influencers or celebrities' opinion on the matter.
Video footages recorded on phones are the most useful tool for the victims to bridge the gap with regard to the blatant information asymmetry with the likes of Fox, CNN etc in addition to Israel killing journalists like in communists/authoritarian regimes. Hell, even Al Jazeera who reports on both side pretty moderately is made out to be a pariah.
While we can agree to disagree on the meaning of "truth", video evidence is REAL evidence and I refuse to put my tin foil hat on and pretend that it was all staged.
Lastly, why does Israel invest so much in "Hasbara" to control the social media narrative? Israel in a social media context is exactly what you claim it is: " Social media is used to spread more lies and propaganda than "truths".
I presume you would attribute this video as propaganda as well. At this point, this type of "propaganda" is Chicken Soup for the Soul.
Amid war and urgent need to ID bodies, evidence of Hamas’s October 7 rapes slips away
Despite definitive witness testimony, global skepticism persists about the terrorists' sexual crimes. ToI investigates how a mass-casualty event in a war zone made forensic determination impossible
www.timesofisrael.com
I was intrigued by this video of a chick who is obviously American reading a propaganda statement on behalf of Hamas on the Twitter feed of the government of an impoverished, backward country (Bangladesh). She's kind of attractive and articulate despite her stupidity-couldn't she get a job reading the news on a local San Diego (where she went to college) TV news channel? I would hire her!
But rather than fulfill her destiny to be a local TV news reader, she is instead a globe-trotting, far-left, terrorist and communist-sympathizing "activist" and "reporter."
Her name is Abby Martin and here is her Wikipedia entry:
Abby Martin - Wikipedia
She is 39 and still looks OK. I bet she was pretty hot when she was 19. But she has failed miserably to capitalize on her good looks and has never worked for a legit newspaper, magazine or news broadcaster. Too late now, sister. But Hamas does have a lot of money so maybe they have written her a few big checks in return for her work on their behalf.
I know who Abby is and am familiar with her work thanks. What was the point of your post other being misogynistic? Abby just got added to your TDL?I was intrigued by this video of a chick who is obviously American reading a propaganda statement on behalf of Hamas on the Twitter feed of the government of an impoverished, backward country (Bangladesh). She's kind of attractive and articulate despite her stupidity-couldn't she get a job reading the news on a local San Diego (where she went to college) TV news channel? I would hire her!
But rather than fulfill her destiny to be a local TV news reader, she is instead a globe-trotting, far-left, terrorist and communist-sympathizing "activist" and "reporter."
Her name is Abby Martin and here is her Wikipedia entry:
Abby Martin - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
She is 39 and still looks OK. I bet she was pretty hot when she was 19. But she has failed miserably to capitalize on her good looks and has never worked for a legit newspaper, magazine or news broadcaster. Too late now, sister. But Hamas does have a lot of money so maybe they have written her a few big checks in return for her work on their behalf.
While we may not agree with her saying Israel using Israeli human shields, they have certainly been caught using Palestinians (children at times) as their human shields which speaks volumes their honor and courage.
https://x.com/MTradess/status/1722101017997664364?s=20
Must be run by poor corrupt officials such as yourself. The only difference is that they aren't white so it makes it barbaric right?
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a frequently employed slogan by individuals and groups who advocate for the liberation and creation of an independent Palestinian state.
It represents the longing for a Palestine that is both free and sovereign, encompassing the entire region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
The slogan signifies the aspiration to eliminate any borders or divisions within this area, allowing for the fulfillment of Palestinian self-determination.
It is widely used as a means of expressing support for the Palestinian cause and their pursuit of statehood.
Regarding the ambulances, there have been allegations and reports indicating that Hamas has utilized ambulances and nearby hospital hideouts for terrorist activities.
There is substantial evidence that Hamas terrorists exploit ambulances as a means of transportation.
Israel recently stated that they possess multiple pieces of evidence showing Hamas using UN ambulances to move around. Israel claims that ambulances are employed for terrorist purposes.
In times of war, it is necessary for them to utilize all available knowledge and resources to secure victory.
Consequently, one cannot expect them to overlook the involvement of ambulances.
I was intrigued by this video of a chick who is obviously American reading a propaganda statement on behalf of Hamas on the Twitter feed of the government of an impoverished, backward country (Bangladesh). She's kind of attractive and articulate despite her stupidity-couldn't she get a job reading the news on a local San Diego (where she went to college) TV news channel? I would hire her!
But rather than fulfill her destiny to be a local TV news reader, she is instead a globe-trotting, far-left, terrorist and communist-sympathizing "activist" and "reporter."
Her name is Abby Martin and here is her Wikipedia entry:
Abby Martin - Wikipedia
She is 39 and still looks OK. I bet she was pretty hot when she was 19. But she has failed miserably to capitalize on her good looks and has never worked for a legit newspaper, magazine or news broadcaster. Too late now, sister. But Hamas does have a lot of money so maybe they have written her a few big checks in return for her work on their behalf.
I don't know if you realize it but you would actually make a better argument by staying silent. Most people know who Abby Martin is, I even posted a clip of with Joe Rogan. Now we get confirmation you don't bother listen to other people's point of view. Not surprised but you can't try to claim otherwise later. You don't even want to hear, let alone understand anything other than what your opinion is.
That post just makes the argument against you. If you must, go ahead. But it's definitely not making much of a case for your point of view, or frankly, for yourself personally.
Pretty pathetic as well as completely and utterly asinine. Tf is wrong with you? You don't have anything intelligent to say? The ironic thing is I'm sure you've made fake-concern comments about the treatment of women by Hamas or Arabs or Muslims. Please don't pretend again in the future, we know what you think of women now and you don't need to fake concern or respect going forward. We've got the info we need.
That's why media literacy skills are so important. But it's been made abundantly clear some people really don't care too much and think they're opinions matter more than facts. That's fine, but some people do make use of those skills and know how to validate information. There is definitely a lot of information that is impossible to get otherwise.
Propaganda is in all media you consume. You shouldn't consume any without being critical. Traditional corporate media is also propaganda and there's bias, special interests and basically owned by a handful of corporations. Someone who consumes Fox exclusively without any level of critical thinking can't say anything about any other type of information source. And if you're consuming corporate media news intelligently, you're already checking a variety of other sources so you shouldn't have a difficult time understanding how it works for social media. It's not that complicated but it is more tune consuming than being spoonfed.
Don't make your "truths" into facts. The irony of this from someone who gave PragU as a real source. Maybe you're projecting a but here but you're out of your depth here, and the wrong person to be critiquing what are good or bad news sources.
What's a lie? It says the Palestinian territories. That's not just Gaza, it also include the West Bank and East Jerusalem. So what's the lie? Surely you're not saying the IDF doesn't control every aspect of the lives of Palestinians in the WB and East Jerusalem?
And surely you're not implying that Israel or the IDF have no control over people in Gaza because they do not have a presence in the form of soldiers, right? If not on land, definitely at sea. Because that would be pretty silly for many reasons. I find it interesting you would mention hate. There's quite a bit of hate against regular Palestinian civilians, even children, wouldn't you say?
You don't see the absurdity of making a comment like that while they're being murdered, starved, displaced, bombed and experiencing unimaginable terror and trauma? Y'all really don't do much self reflection, do you?
I'm curious. Is the deflection meant to convince or argue that Israel is justified, or to make the claim that Israel or you are in actually concerned about Palestinians' treatment by Hamas? Like, seriously? And you're saying that at the moment, Israel is killing these people for their own safety against hamas? That's what we are meant to take ffrom this? I mean, it is certainly an interesting topic however what's the relevance here? Like, literally. How is that of any importance right now?
Why don't you tell us why babies of Gaza deserve to die (4000++++). That's what is relevant right now. You and I both know you don't truly care what hamas does to anyone in Gaza, so fake-concern not required.
Oh yeah, silly me. I forgot about the well known trend of people going from anti Zionist to Zionist after the age of 30! Lmao Right.
Kidding aside, we both know the opposite is what actually occurs, and it is happening much more as it becomes very hard to hold the cognitive dissonance required (or anti Arab, white supremacist) in a world where colonialism doesn't align with the values of most of the population.
I' ve been coming across so many Jewish young people who are very vocal and involved in Palestinian solidarity, and education. And so many who are coming to the realization that they have been lied to and very angry about it. And it's all ages. Literally so many. THAT'S one place social media is for.
Honestly, you can dismiss it if it's reassuring for you but there are not a lot of people who still have the stomach to shill for this bloodbath. It's not all, but it's clear that many people still defending this atrocities are very racist and completely dehumanize Palestinians. I'm not just imagining this. The comments absolutely everywhere online are racist a shocking majority of the time. This thread is full of the fear based othering that's really shameful to see (though not surprising).
It's really hard to imagine - on November 12th - after over 1 month of watching the most atrocious butchering of innocent people, the murdering & maiming of fucking children - that there are still people who are not one bit as deeply ashamed of humanity and so disgusted w
by our world.
Please let me see your position to it's logical conclusion:
If what you're saying is Palestinians children and other civilians are fair game, please realize that you are also saying your children, your wife, mother, yourself are all fair game, according to you. That means all Israelis are fair game, it means human life has no value. That is what you are saying, even if you don't see it that way, it is what you are saying.
Because your life isn't worth more that the father in Gaza, your wife's dignity isn't worth more than the Palestinian mother. You're saying your children's lives are worthless. Don't argue otherwise. You're no more valuable than a Palestinian or your kids than any child in Gaza, so it's 100% what it means.
Imagine completely devaluing human life this way. How do you explain it to your kids? Not sure if I'd be able to look at my father the same way again tbh.
I tell you what? If you’re going to keep defending a genocide and - mass murder of babies… there is now a pre-requisite. If you want to comment at all, you need to spend a good hour watching the results of your support.
If you have any kids or grandkids, watching with them is also a condition. It would be good if you also explained to them why you support what you’re watching (although kids still understand logic, so I’m not sure you’ll make much more sense to them, but they trust you so they’ll probably take your word for it anyway). Your position is that children can live it, I don’t see how you can argue your kids shouldn’t see it.
There are many other users on various platforms but he has a lot, I personally can't watch - but I'm not defending it.
Instagram account
Anyway, I read a couple of posts at some point in this thread that questioned that Israelis were not very explicitly and publicly making genocidal statements.
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Really. Please. STFU y'all. They're literally SAYING IT. Stop denying it, they're saying it. Are you all living in your own parallel reality? Let me help you out, if you're not connecting with this reality.
They're committing a genocide.
The images show they're committing genocide.
The death toll shows its genocide.
And they're telling us its a genocide and they want it to be genocide.
Stop being a bunch of clowns saying otherwise. Wtf. Something's not screwed right, or what?
Israeli government: We are committing genocide
World: Stop this genocide.
Apologists: Antisemites! Hamas! There's no genocide! Israeli government is just defending itself. Stop lying! They would never do that.
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Stop talking. Because you're talking out of your asses, and admitting you don't even have half the facts, when they're not hard to find. Get off fox and use your brain to get the info yourself. Otherwise stop talking.
Ghouls.
You are incapable of looking outside of your superiority bubble.
Go watch the scenes Fox isn't showing, or none of the corporate media does. It's your work, you should see all of it.
Israel is a criminal, terrorist state in the process of committing genocide.
You are incapable of looking outside of your superiority bubble.
Go watch the scenes Fox isn't showing, or none of the corporate media does. It's your work, you should see all of it.
Israel is a criminal, terrorist state in the process of committing genocide.
Anna, I am glad that you also condemn Hamas terrorists
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dear Anna
The narrative of oppression genocide apartheid etc is outdated.and everyone knows it's all BS by now. Open your eyes. Maybe ask yourself why most democratic countries ( and some arabs and palestinians also) can't wait for Israel to get rid of hamas. Or maybe you know more than Prime ministers and highly eductated elected people.
I really do feel bad for innocent Gazan and kids. maybe I can send you hamas videos killing their people tring to escape south and their own rokets falling back on them.
Maybe the premises of all of this that you forget or intend to ignore is the facts that Hamas and islamists are calling for simple elimination of Israel and jews around the world.
Also you forget the historic facts that jews belong there, arabs never wanted to admit a democraty and jews despite fair UN partition, countless suicide bombing, palestinians are manipulated by corruption endoctrinment, hate and call for genocide of jewish state and people.
unfortunatly war is dirty but sometime you have to remove an organ to treat a cancer.
You should elevate yourself and see who you're supporting. look at the hate and radicalization in our streets. Is this what you are rooting for?
You think Hamas wasn't counting on the Israelis retaliating for the indiscriminate murders of its civilians exactly as they have done, and then naive sheep like her grazing off of the assorted "anti Zionist" hate drool posted on the Internet to galvanize their opposition? Joseph Goebbels once did the same thing with false flag operations and, as disturbing as it was, he was hailed as a genius propagandist for it.
Most people who are knowledgeable about the situation know it's far more complicated than the one sided version being presented here. I think what's happening is unfortunate but there is a cancer that has to be removed and cancer treatment isn't pretty. It's quite painful if you have ever seen anyone go through it.
On another subject though, I don"t know what the endgame is. If we could go back to 1947 and the original UN proposal that the Arabs rejected before all of them attacked Israel, you would have to ask if this was really a great idea in retrospect. I don't think it was. Israel was overwhelmingly outnumbered in both 1948 and 1967 when it was attacked and overwhelmingly defeated multiple Arab nations in both of those conflicts. So Israel is attacked once again and is having to go to war once again in 2023. Nothing has really changed since 1948, and the reason why is the intrinsic, abject failure of the socio-political structures of the Palestinians and their allies. Until you change the internal system of governance which is responsible for the current situation, there will be no advancement of any practical solution. If an entire system is predicted on hatred and complete destruction of another nation and its people, a conflict like the one we have right now is inevitable. So a starting point would be to root that out, but you kind of have to rebuild and reshape the country much like what was done with Germany after it was bombed into submission at the end of World War II. Is some kind of permanent military presence necessary there? As in Germany? Probably- but an international/UN force would be ideal.
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It amazes me how someone can say that this video is "free from propaganda".... it is like PURE propaganda: it doesn't say a single thing about Hamas and omit critical things like
- Israel state was created by the United Nations
- Palestinians never accepted Israel and caused the many wars
- Gaza, most crowded place on earth, now has an army and military base just under it: Hamas and they get out time to time to attack Israel with no specific goal other than killing Israelis.
This conflict will never be solve if people keep falling for this propaganda... Hamas backers like Iran (possibly Russia now too)… are feeding on this.
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Unfortunately some have chosen to live in a delusional world that is out of touch with reality. The post you responded to was pure and unaldulterated nonsense which if any purer in form, would draw the envy of Walter White.
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