The media here, and you surely should know this, barely talks about C-36. I have heard it mentioned once within the past 12 months. Too much ado for nothing?
Harper and his clown are stupid
Why is harper and his religious buddy are concerned and feel they need to create laws about my penis and massage oil ? Sex worker will do what from now on...work at tim horton ?
UOTE=RobinX;822738]Bill C-36, which criminalizes the buying of sex has now passed. How will this affect your hobbying?
1. No change for me. The chances of getting caught are pretty slim.
2. I will continue, but will make adjustments to reduce my risks of getting caught.
3. I will lie low for a while to see if and how the law will be applied here.
4. That's it for me. I was thinking of quitting any way.
5. Other. Please post your answer, unless you prefer to remain anonymous.
This is an anonymous poll.[/QUOTE]
Why is harper and his religious buddy are concerned and feel they need to create laws about my penis and massage oil ? Sex worker will do what from now on...work at tim horton ?
UOTE=RobinX;822738]Bill C-36, which criminalizes the buying of sex has now passed. How will this affect your hobbying?
1. No change for me. The chances of getting caught are pretty slim.
2. I will continue, but will make adjustments to reduce my risks of getting caught.
3. I will lie low for a while to see if and how the law will be applied here.
4. That's it for me. I was thinking of quitting any way.
5. Other. Please post your answer, unless you prefer to remain anonymous.
This is an anonymous poll.[/QUOTE]
My reference was to the over-reaction by the merb membership, not anything that has appeared in the press.
The difference... before agencies didn't had to hide services and be super low profile or host there servers offshore...
Incall needed to be watched and busted for something to happen... now it seem just advertising can give you trouble...
That's quite true, Mike, but advertising can be monitored and enforced by the federal government, while our activities fall under the jurisdiction of the SPVM, which has no intention of enforcing the new law.
To make a reference to a foreign country, please allow me to cite France. Pimping and borthels have been forbidden by law after WW2. The argument was that those bastards collaborated with the invading nazis. Escorts (rather prostitutes or whores as they are more commonly called there) were not allowed to sollicitate clients. Though, they could just stand there in rue St Denis wating for the next client to approach them. Things went well. Then came Sarkozy a guy with a weird Catholic and Jewish heritage. It seems that he inherited the worst of both religions as he decided to criminilize the clients as well. Consequence, St Denis escorts moved to the outskirts of Paris and other major cities. An eastern european Mafia took control of the escorting business and escorts are more abused than ever. Advertising services is still legal in France, so many Sps just went the web route. Our cons seem to be much more conservative than Sarko was.
This C 36 law is so hypocritical and suffers from some deep inner contradictions. To summarize, the law says that we are very eager to protect sex workers and thus we will do our best to ensure that they will not be able to get any clients anymore by criminalizing the said-clients and forbidding advertizing. God bless Western Canada.
This C 36 law is so hypocritical and suffers from some deep inner contradictions. To summarize, the law says that we are very eager to protect sex workers and thus we will do our best to ensure that they will not be able to get any clients anymore by criminalizing the said-clients and forbidding advertizing. God bless Western Canada.
There were a few cases, some making the news, some not. Neighbors complaints sometimes lead to the closing of incalls, often without arrests, sometimes with charges. The biggest case I remember was the Motel Hamel in Québec (around 2008), a huge agency with around 60 providers. No trafficking nor underage. It was made because of a canadian revenue agency complaint. The guy, called le "gros Dan" had some relations with the Hells, but the main reason was that he was getting too big and not paying his taxes.
He knows damn well it would not help his popularity. It would contribute to an image of intolerance. Montrealers are not prudish. Also, it's not clear he can order the SPVM to do whatever he likes. There is no issue however on the matter. Coderre will follow the SPVM intelligence, not the contrary. And within the SPVM, the plan is clear, as clear as it is in Vancouver and Victoria.
But people go to incalls and parlors today. They are illegal and the consequence is a criminal record. The same very low probability exits. Most police officers are conscious of the consequences of such accusations and do not intervene in many cases precisely because of those consequences. No one says probability is zero. I don't buy the argument of quotas. They are for tickets that bring revenues for the cities, not criminal cases. These represent costs, not revenues.
I been trying to figure out how to prosecute myself for last few days under this law and I can't unless your out street shopping and they catch you having sex in your car or street .
Girls show up to my place under new law their immune from prosecution so unless she rats me out . There is / was no crime. I haven't paid for anything I just arranged for her to show up.
All advertisements are now for escorting and in U.S. we have stronger laws then you ' and I see no problem . Yellow pages / Vegas strip hand outs. Key I think is girls are immune, takes the 2 key witnesses out of equation . But then stings can go on if it's a random backpage/ CL ad.
Unless an agency is flipped starts working for police and he tries bait us into "admitting it verbally". But
I never tell girls anything until ... Things are in heat of moment ..
So many issues to this law for a prosecution stand point ..
I have never street shopped and I hate CL/backpage
Girls just have all go Indep "visually" to get full immunity
Girls show up to my place under new law their immune from prosecution so unless she rats me out . There is / was no crime. I haven't paid for anything I just arranged for her to show up.
All advertisements are now for escorting and in U.S. we have stronger laws then you ' and I see no problem . Yellow pages / Vegas strip hand outs. Key I think is girls are immune, takes the 2 key witnesses out of equation . But then stings can go on if it's a random backpage/ CL ad.
Unless an agency is flipped starts working for police and he tries bait us into "admitting it verbally". But
I never tell girls anything until ... Things are in heat of moment ..
So many issues to this law for a prosecution stand point ..
I have never street shopped and I hate CL/backpage
Girls just have all go Indep "visually" to get full immunity
They can be without C-36 in any criminal investigation !
But to be used as proof in a trial a warrant must have been issued many details for admissibility !
Will LE bother?
Most of the time they look for easy targets
Consensual sex between adults is definitely not high on the priority list in Montreal ,different jurisdiction may vary however
Cheers
Booker
I think the best will be to be discrete, that exchanging with too much precise & graphic details of sexual nature before an encounter will be a prove of something.
That's always be the case.
The idea is to just stop to talk/write about those details, anyway, there are a lots of ladies who don't want to talk about anything, that's even a common way to do. Lots of ladies are saying: I won't answer to any explicite & vulgar email.
And that will be more than ever effective, for the ladies & gentlemen who care.
That's always be the case.
The idea is to just stop to talk/write about those details, anyway, there are a lots of ladies who don't want to talk about anything, that's even a common way to do. Lots of ladies are saying: I won't answer to any explicite & vulgar email.
And that will be more than ever effective, for the ladies & gentlemen who care.
There is a substantial difference, because the previous law made it only illegal to be found in a bawdy house. They had to catch you on the premise and it was only a summary offense. Now, simply communicating in order to gain access to that incall is a crime and it can be an indictable offense. You can in theory be arrested long before you even go to the place or months afterward. In reality the odds of getting arrested are probably not worse, but on a psychological level the new law is more scary for the clients.
A few Harper Conservatives, both MPs and Senators, have admitted frankly in televised interviews that their objective is to completely eliminate prostitution. Once they've accomplished that, I believe their plan is to have a bearded guy in a white flowing robe go down to Bay Street and chase out the moneychangers :lol:
What is safer in your opinion ?
Incall hotel or incall in sp's appt ? I'd say incall appt.
Outcall in your appt or outcall hotel ? I'd say outcall appt.
Indy you already know or agency ? I'd say Indy I know.
Massage parlour or Indy you know incall ? I'd say Indy incall.
Incall hotel or incall in sp's appt ? I'd say incall appt.
Outcall in your appt or outcall hotel ? I'd say outcall appt.
Indy you already know or agency ? I'd say Indy I know.
Massage parlour or Indy you know incall ? I'd say Indy incall.
Technically, a static incall location is riskier than a short-term, temporary one at a hotel: it would be much easier for LE to monitor a permanent location and almost impossible for one who is variable.
But if you don't do your research and go with an unknown, fly-by-night BP girl and the likes, you could very well fall into a trap at any type of incall location.
Assuming you didn't discuss any explicit details before the encounter and you are seeing an established lady (indy or agency), legally, one is not riskier than the other.
Rotating incalls plus rotating renters ,was safer .
The hassle might worth it
Cheers
Booker
