If an agency gets busted...

[Machiavel]

We have partial immunity, until we do what's criminal in the new law. But we can sell our own services, gain and keep the money from our own sexual services, but we can't sollicitate, for instance.

Exactly…. and web sites, adds on different platforms, it’s a form of solicitation.. especially when there are photos, videos, but, your right, as long as you don’t sollicitate, you are ok. But so far, courts haven’t ruled on this exact matter anyway… but with the new case in Sherbrooke .. will see

 

[Torycats]

Its beyond me that the state has any power over what we choose to do with our own bodies. It's seriously time that prostitution be de-criminalized and regulated.

I'm surprised I havent found a thread on merb about mobilizing people / lobbying so we can get this done one day - and no I am not volunteering to manage that

 

[Machiavel]

Its beyond me that the state has any power over what we choose to do with our own bodies. It's seriously time that prostitution be de-criminalized and regulated.

I'm surprised I havent found a thread on merb about mobilizing people / lobbying so we can get this done one day - and no I am not volunteering to manage that

Lol

 

[LC18]

I'm surprised I havent found a thread on merb about mobilizing people / lobbying so we can get this done one day - and no I am not volunteering to manage that

A lot of people are doing that behind their partner’s back. It would be kind of awkward to go to a public protest

 

[Torycats]

A lot of people are doing that behind their partner’s back. It would be kind of awkward to go to a public protest

If you look at history of decriminalization in countries like the Netherlands and New Zealand they did not rely on large scale protests.
Mostly, it was sex workers advocacy and lobbying.

 

[Halloween Mike]

« his Sarah available at x hour » …. Really ??? I doubt very much that you can have a date with a sex worker with just one phrase…

In agencies? Kinda yes. Its limited to a couple lines. I don't understand your point...

 

[Julia Sky]

Its beyond me that the state has any power over what we choose to do with our own bodies. It's seriously time that prostitution be de-criminalized and regulated.

This sentence makes no sense, it's like saying you want to boil pasta in dry water. Haha

Decriminalization implies no regulation. What you have in mind is legalization which is still problematic in many ways for both the workers and the clients.

Under decriminalization there are no regulations, but things that are already illegal (like being with minors, trafficking another person, or not informing a partner of your HIV status if you have it) still remain illegal.

Decriminalization is the ideal solution

 

[Machiavel]

In agencies? Kinda yes. Its limited to a couple lines. I don't understand your point...

There is so many posts here about how long it takes to have a date meaning, tons of text exchanges that sometimes are going nowhere…

But still, you can imagine in these e-mails or text exchanges, that there is lot of words mounting to « sollicitations »

And no, I don’t believe that you can EVER have a date with a sexworker with only the lines you are proposing.

That is my point

 

[pilotman1]

Police are choosing not to enforce the laws. However, this could certainly change if priorities change.

I use a burner so not particularly concerned at any rate, but the vast majority of my bookings are literally: Hi, I'd like a 1 hour meeting with <SP> at 8pm on Friday please, is she available.

Works fine.

Depends on the kind of burner it is. If it's a texting app, it's not safe at all. Apps like TextMe keep a record of all your texts even if you delete them.

 

[skarsga]

I think unless you are someone very high profile or get mixed up with minors, violent crime, or trafficking, the likelihood of anything happening is negligible.
Sex stings are expensive - lots of man hours from LE and prosecutors. Going after otherwise law abiding people who are discreetly going about this with other of age consenting adults is a monumental waste of resources for little payoff.

That said, if you are still truly worried, stay home and masturbate.

 

[Torycats]

This sentence makes no sense, it's like saying you want to boil pasta in dry water. Haha

Decriminalization implies no regulation. What you have in mind is legalization which is still problematic in many ways for both the workers and the clients.

Under decriminalization there are no regulations, but things that are already illegal (like being with minors, trafficking another person, or not informing a partner of your HIV status if you have it) still remain illegal.

Decriminalization is the ideal solution

Lol people on this forum love being condescending. Pro tip, when you start with "this sentence makes no sense", you should probably make sure what you follow up with is accurate

Decriminalization is not free of regulations. Far from it. New Zealand, decriminalized not legalized. Still tons of regulations in place, for example required use of protection, zoning requirements, worker protection, and way more.

And what was that pasta analogy lol

 

[Halloween Mike]

There is so many posts here about how long it takes to have a date meaning, tons of text exchanges that sometimes are going nowhere…

But still, you can imagine in these e-mails or text exchanges, that there is lot of words mounting to « sollicitations »

And no, I don’t believe that you can EVER have a date with a sexworker with only the lines you are proposing.

That is my point

I can't speak for anyone other than me, but in MY case its rarely complicated to set a meeting with an agency like Euphoria or Forever. They known me for years (in Forever's case the owner was at Xo before). So when schedule is post, i look at it and ask for a meeting at an hour that seem open. If said hour is taken i will usually take the one they suggest unless i really can't due to scheduling issues. But my point is the bookings often look like "Good evening, i would like to book "insert profider's name" at 2pm wednesday, incall 1h, is that possible" and i wait for the answer. Answer will either be a yes or they will ask me if another time slot is ok. But it does not usually take time or go explicit etc.

Yes indies are very different and sending an introduction email to an indy require more infos, there may be screening, deposit or various things but the thread is "if an AGENCY get busted".

Now with all that said they don't even go arrest "clients" in sting operations unless he show up for the meeting. Like lets say he chicken out and never show up, i never seen them here in Quebec going all their way to find the guy and arrest him home. So i don't think agency "logs" would be an issue. Thats like when the guy who created megaupload got arrested many many years ago (kim dot com or something like that), they didn't hunt for peoples who used the service...

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Halloween Mike spoke of stings. Pages back, Cloud 500 said something about how much more aggressive with prosecution they are in the US.

The incident that made me take a break from this activity in my home city and led me to Montreal was a bust in a major Southern US city (rhymes with Fanta) almost a decade ago now.

Police Bust 2 Huge Prostitution Rings in Dunwoody

Metro area agencies join to halt 'Atlanta Gold Club Escorts' and 'Lipstick and Shoes Escorts'.

patch.com

https://www.wyff4.com/article/high-end-escort-service-busted-across-from-police-station-officials-say/10025075

The local authorities set up cameras in the incall and the clients along with the ladies, totaling more than four dozen, had their faces shown on local newscasts. It was horrible! Despite my number being in the call logs and patronizing them often (I even had a lengthy phone conversation with the female owner within weeks of the bust), I wasn't ensnared because I had been requesting outcall for a few years.

There were no noted reports of more serious crimes like human/minor trafficking or drugs, so the bust was strictly about the sale of sex after an anonymous tip. In spite of prostitution being legal in rural Nevada counties (but not in Las Vegas even though authorities might mostly look the other way), America is fairly puritanical about prostitution. That's doubly true in the South.

This is all to say you Montreal folks have far less of a chance of this stuff happening to you, unless drugs or such complicate matters. The environment and attitude towards sex and the sex industry is just different.

 

[Goffman]

Entre temps un juge vient d’être démis de ses fonctions pour sollicitation

Prostitution: le juge Villeneuve «relevé de l’ensemble de ses responsabilités judiciaires»

Le juge coordonnateur du district de Saint-François à la Cour supérieure, Claude Villeneuve, est accusé d’avoir sollicité des services sexuels moyennant rétribution.

www.latribune.ca

 

[2fast2slow]

225 men have been caught and forced to go to John school since 2022...can't beleive it. If this comes to the island of Montreal I dont know what would happen. It seems for now Montreal is a sacntuary city.
I cant imagine being forced to go to John school, but better than going to jail. By the end of the program i bet fifty bucks that i am going to be the one to educate them.

I wonder if there are similar programs in Ontario or BC?

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Entre temps un juge vient d’être démis de ses fonctions pour sollicitation

Prostitution: le juge Villeneuve «relevé de l’ensemble de ses responsabilités judiciaires»

Le juge coordonnateur du district de Saint-François à la Cour supérieure, Claude Villeneuve, est accusé d’avoir sollicité des services sexuels moyennant rétribution.

www.latribune.ca

Je ne peux pas lire l'article. Si quelqu'un veut le copier-coller ici, je le lierais.

 

[Goffman]

Je ne peux pas lire l'article. Si quelqu'un veut le copier-coller ici, je le lierais.

Autre version ici sans paywall (dsl)

La Cour supérieure démet Claude Villeneuve de ses fonctions

L’homme de 56 ans est accusé d’avoir « communiqué avec une personne en vue d’obtenir des services sexuels moyennant rétribution ».

ici.radio-canada.ca

 

[Marsouin]

Il a donc probalement mordu à un hammeçon sur LL ou EI ou OF …
Si il aurait pris la 10 pour aller dans une agence à Mtl , il aurait pas eu de problème.

 

[Halloween Mike]

225 men have been caught and forced to go to John school since 2022...can't beleive it.
I cant imagine being forced to go to John school, but better than going to jail. By the end of the program i bet fifty bucks that i am going to be the one to educate them.

I said it before this "John School" idea is funny. I would like to do it but without the legal penalties. Im curious to see what they "teach". Im aware there is a darkside to the "hobby". I know very bad things happen. That does not mean its representating of "all".

I think Sonia Von Sacher should do John School. She would be great there to teach them a few things

 

[2fast2slow]

Il a donc probalement mordu à un hammeçon sur LL ou EI ou OF …
Si il aurait pris la 10 pour aller dans une agence à Mtl , il aurait pas eu de problème.

Ça m'inquiete sincèrement que ceci arrive au Québec. Je croyais qu'on était plus progressiste que ça. Je me demande sincèrement s'il y a des programmes similaires en Ontario et CB