Is it wrong to go see an Escort high or drunk?

[jmioffe]

Thanks for sharing, EagerBeaver. This anecdote to me is more evidence of how astonishingly nice the Montreal scene is and how I find it hard to believe that organized crime is involved, but I don't doubt it is.

I mean, the agency owner basically got money stolen from him for this incident, or the girl did, and everyone was like "nah, 's cool." Other places, goons would have been called, beatings would have been administered, or at the very least serious threats! Maybe this was a business cost for sustaining a whale, but man, y'all are so nice!

Another agency girl once told me a similar story -- drunk client showed up for an appointment. They messed around for a bit but nothing else before he fell asleep. Turns out he had no money on him. She called the booker, he told her to march him to an ATM. She's a sweet girl, I understand why she didn't want to do that.

He woke up, insisted that he paid. The girl and the agency basically ate the cost. I told her she should have taken his shoes or watch or even a credit card to hold for ransom. She was like, "nah, it's the past." I feel like I was white knighting, but man, I was pissed on her behalf.

 

[Joe.t]

Big difference between being high on weed/hash and being drunk and for the record Beav I don't drink very much and when I do it is in moderation as I do not like alcohol that much, you are right that I was always high at those parties but that was from smoking weed with a few shots of alcohol(which is an awesome combo), I have seen a few people that got shitfaced drunk at those parties which caused an embarrassing and sometimes very sad scene but there was never any issues with people who were high on weed or hash, also a big thank you to the many people who came to the parties and as soon as they saw me approached me and gave me some awesome weed, miss those parties.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I mean, the agency owner basically got money stolen from him for this incident, or the girl did, and everyone was like "nah, 's cool." Other places, goons would have been called, beatings would have been administered, or at the very least serious threats! Maybe this was a business cost for sustaining a whale, but man, y'all are so nice!

Well it's true goons were not called in, but the agency owner was irate with me for the conduct of one of the guests at a party I had organized with the agency. He was very angry and he used a tone of voice with me he never had before or after, and he threatened to call the cops, as the agency girl did not call in a full hour after the party had ended and neither one of us could account for her whereabouts or safety. So it was a very stressful situation for him, and for me, and I was just happy we resolved it and didn't have to explain to Montreal police when and where I last saw her. I was so angry the next day I can't even describe it. I was livid with Mr. Blue Balls. We did invite him to subsequent parties involving the same agency, and he later did apologize, albeit in a halfhearted manner as he insisted the escort was to blame.

But while the top agencies like the one I mentioned do not unleash goons or threaten beatings, I will tell you another story about a friend who did have that happen. It was actually involving the friend with whom I co planned the above mentioned party.

That weekend all of us were staying at the Hotel W under a group rate we got from my friend's company which has an expense account with the Hotel. Other times I met those guys at the hotel for parties we had there. But on this particular trip I stayed there with the other guys, 4 of us in all. One advantage to Hotel W is if you are a guest they have the best security I have seen in Montreal and have a rep for not allowing any nonsense within the hotel. Indeed they were even quick to intervene along with a friend one time when I had an altercation with a coat room clerk there who would not return to me my expensive full length leather jacket after I lost my claim ticket for the jacket.

Anyway, that weekend a friend of mine showed me a link to an apparently Indy escort and there was something very fishy about the link. I didn't recognize it and told my friend it looked like B&S. He called anyway against my advice. Wasn't an Indy at all was a bait and switch agency. The girl showed up 2 hours late and wasn't the one in the pics. My buddy said as soon as she took off her clothes he saw stretch marks, needle marks, and jelly rolls. He immediately rejected her. She rejected the rejection, and told him she couldn't leave until he settled up with the agency. So he called the agency and they told him it would be $100. He said "no fucking way, you bait and switched me and sent me a different girl." They then said that she was a great girl and the other one was tied up or some BS but he had to pay a fee for the girl and driver and would be $100. My buddy again said no and the agency rep said they were sending up the "driver" to "resolve the issue." My buddy immediately recognized the threat and responded, appropriately, "tell your "driver" good luck getting past Hotel W security to my room." They then negotiated - and my friend sent the girl on her way with $40. Hotel W Security never had to intervene.

So there are agencies that will sick goons on you. See the Bait and Switch sticky thread. That's why you stick to the top agencies and will never have a problem. But to think ALL agencies in Montreal are hoodlum free is naive and inaccurate.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^ It is not the guys responsibility to have the girl call in, simple. If I have an escort outcall and she falls asleep it is not my problem to have her call in.

 

[EagerBeaver]

If she sleeps in your room and under your control, then it's on your time and she is your responsibility. The Clock is running and there can be no denial of responsibility. Who paid for the booze and food that put the escort asleep? And in the context of a party the host is responsible for the safety of the guests, both seen and unseen, in fact social host liability is the law in most jurisdictions.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Sol, if you go home and are very surprised to see cops wheeling a dead woman out of your bedroom, do you expect that telling the police that you "don't know who she is or how she got there" will be quietly accepted by the police with a consoling pat on your back?

 

[minutemenX]

Once, the agency girl got completely drunk at my place. I have not forced here no encouraged to drink, she did it by herself as I had a very good and rare stuff. She left in time without any problems but within hour I got a call from the agency and they accused me that I got girl drunk and ruined her shift (I was the first that day). My response was that if she is mature enough to have sex with strangers, she should be responsible to handle her drinking.

 

[Fradi]

I think common sense needs to be applied if a lady from an agency would fall asleep in my room intoxicated or not I would definitely make sure she informed her agency.
I don’t think it is a good idea for either client or SP to be shitfaced and not know what they are doing.
Having a bottle of wine with the ladies I see to me is normal the one I see most often has a penchant for a nice French or Italian red, I have never seen any kind of change in her after a half a bottle of wine.
Love a girl who knows her wine and can handle it with ease.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Fradi the problem developed because not only was the escort passed out drunk, but so was the client Mr. Blue Balls, in his own hotel room. They were, by his own account, naked and stone out cold in his bed from 12 midnight when the party ended until 1:30 am when pounding on the door of his hotel room caused him to awaken from his drunken stupor. And guess who had to deal with the fallout from that nonsense when the agency owner called? Me! And the reason why was he didn't have the cellphone numbers of the others as I was the point man who had arranged the party. I think after that incident he may have changed his party policy to require cellphone numbers of all party participants. Basically he had trusted me and felt there would be no issues so I was the one who had to answer for these drunken shenanigans. Also made me realize this recommendation, make sure all party participants give their cellphone numbers to the agency or don't invite them. It's the last time I will put my ass on the line for someone else who should be accounting for his own actions and not me.

 

[Fradi]

It is the organizer who ultimately takes the fall, which all things considered is right.
You should be aware of the character and limits of your guests especially when booze, women, and drugs are involved.
Did the girl have some responsibility in informing her agency, of course without question, however I am assuming probably correctly that you all had about at least 20 years seniority on this girl so who was the mature adult.
In this case the only one was probably the agency owner/ booker who was trying to make sure his lady was ok.
koodos to the Agency for acting responsibly not only in protecting their girls but for the diplomacy and responsible way they dealt with you guys.

 

[jmioffe]

So there are agencies that will sick goons on you. See the Bait and Switch sticky thread. That's why you stick to the top agencies and will never have a problem. But to think ALL agencies in Montreal are hoodlum free is naive and inaccurate.

Hm, good point. I've mainly played in the high end, so that may be why my experience has been so positive. I once went to see a girl from another agency -- just as expensive but not as well known.

They were operating out of a big hotel condo in a central location so they didn't want me going past the front desk and sent someone to pick me up and drive me into the parking garage to get into the building.

The car they sent was tiny. The dude driving the car was huge. Kinda goofy guy but I could totally see him as an enforcer.

 

[sene5hos]

I don't drink, but I partake in marijuana. I've never seen an SP while high and don't intend to. What I am wondering is if you think it's wrong to see an SP while high? What about drunk or high on some illegal substance? Where do you draw the line?

That's it for me.
When I do Outcall, I don't accept any girl, if she smells of alcohol, if she smells of cannabis, she doesn't even come into my house. In my condo building, this is completely forbidden.

I used to do Incall more often. This has not happened to me often. Once it smelled like pot, I left without giving her any money. I didn't want my laundry to smell.
Twice, when I arrived I noticed that the girl was drunk, I decided to stay, in the end it was good, because the girl had lost her inhibitions, and by the fact I too had been more wild.

But when the girl is too drunk, the pleasure is not at the rendez vous.

 

[chowzilla]

lol I went through my battle over the years with hobbying high on weed.
I tried blitzed out of my mind... terrible idea
I tried high... I would get too paranoid/anxious
I tried a little high... and this was okay for me, as I would just be relaxed

But then I learned that if I am already comfortable with the person, it doesn't matter.

Overall, I have had regretted getting high prior more often than not. In addition, in general, girls don't like intoxicated clients. So what's the point? I wouldn't suggest it personally... rarely does it elevate my experience. Its possible that I've smoked too much in my life.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I tried a little high... and this was okay for me, as I would just be relaxed

I never found that marijuana or cocaine did anything for me, but a glass of wine would relax me, and for many years I believed I needed one in the 30 minutes before the escort arrived. As a much younger man and less experienced seeing escorts, I followed this ritual for many years, thinking I needed it to be chilled out so I could best develop a connection with a complete stranger. So I would buy a bottle of port, which is much stronger than most table wine, and also the only kind of red wine I can drink, and I would consume a full glass in the 30 minutes before the escort arrived. I did this for probably 10 years.

But after time a certain contradiction in my own logic became apparent to me. I said to myself, "you have to pick juries for a living and that means developing connections with strangers you do not know in 15 minutes or less, and then deciding whether or not you will live or die with them in a trial, and you don't get a glass of wine before you go into voir dire." And after this thought occurred to me, I just stopped doing it and tried to use the same mindset as when I introduce myself to jurors. And it worked. No stress, no anxiety, it just all vanished.

The other issue is I tend to get too chatty and waste time when I drink. The mindset I developed was being efficient with my time. It's called sexual efficiency and it's no different than offensive efficiency in basketball. The object is to economize your time of possession and score and talking too much, just like dribbling too much in basketball, just gets in the way of doing that sometimes.

My biggest problem now is I have a girlfriend the last 3.5 years and she likes to drink before sex. So what I do is let her drink away and I take guppy sips. And usually after 1-2 glasses of wine she is ready and she is a fucking tornado in bed. When I took her to Maine in August I was amazed by the energy she had to drink continuously and power through it to want to do activities all day. She is a 26 year old energizer bunny and drinking seems to fuel her more than sap her. I barely kept up with her first two days of the trip and the 3rd day I told her I wasn't drinking any more in order to reserve my energy.

 

[chowzilla]

I never found that marijuana or cocaine did anything for me, but a glass of wine would relax me, and for many years I believed I needed one in the 30 minutes before the escort arrived. As a much younger man and less experienced seeing escorts, I followed this ritual for many years, thinking I needed it to be chilled out so I could best develop a connection with a complete stranger. So I would buy a bottle of port, which is much stronger than most table wine, and also the only kind of red wine I can drink, and I would consume a full glass in the 30 minutes before the escort arrived. I did this for probably 10 years.

But after time a certain contradiction in my own logic became apparent to me. I said to myself, "you have to pick juries for a living and that means developing connections with strangers you do not know in 15 minutes or less, and then deciding whether or not you will live or die with them in a trial, and you don't get a glass of wine before you go into voir dire." And after this thought occurred to me, I just stopped doing it and tried to use the same mindset as when I introduce myself to jurors. And it worked. No stress, no anxiety, it just all vanished.

The other issue is I tend to get too chatty and waste time when I drink. The mindset I developed was being efficient with my time. It's called sexual efficiency and it's no different than offensive efficiency in basketball. The object is to economize your time of possession and score and talking too much, just like dribbling too much in basketball, just gets in the way of doing that sometimes.

My biggest problem now is I have a girlfriend the last 3.5 years and she likes to drink before sex. So what I do is let her drink away and I take guppy sips. And usually after 1-2 glasses of wine she is ready and she is a fucking tornado in bed. When I took her to Maine in August I was amazed by the energy she had to drink continuously and power through it to want to do activities all day. She is a 26 year old energizer bunny and drinking seems to fuel her more than sap her. I barely kept up with her first two days of the trip and the 3rd day I told her I wasn't drinking any more in order to reserve my energy.

alcohol has never treated me well, and at this point in my life, i have no more tolerance. I can't do it, and its nearly impossible for me to keep up with drinkers. It has happened to me a few times, that my lack of tolerance was a hindrance to the session. Some girls really just wanna get wild, and I'm like uuuuuh... if I keep drinking im gonna fall asleep. I wonder if its part of their strategy sometimes.

Cool that you found the loop hole in your logic.

 

[Connoisseur12]

Since the legalization of marijuana in Canada it is easier to control how high you get and avoid the smell of weed. They have sprays and capsules you can take and know exactly the dosage you need to have your mind relaxed and body heightened for physical sensations. A little cbd spray under your tongue 15 minutes before seeing an sp works wonders relaxing your mind and body

 

[IamNY]

^^^^I would much rather do this than try to cross back to the states smelling like weed and having border agents tear my car apart.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

^^^^^^ The capsules are good, for starters I would not do more than 20mg to test your tolerance, maybe 10mg if you are a casual smoker....

 

[hungry101]

Listen, we all may have a drink or two to take the edge off but no more than that. The worst thing for me is when I’m at a work party at a convention or something like this and I’ve been drinking. I used to go to my room at 1 or 2AM and start perusing BackPage. This is when you can get yourself into some trouble. You call someone from the dregs of BP and have a session you regret or even get ripped off. With impaired judgement you can also inadvertently drunk dial your way into a LE sting operation.

Typically, I’ll serve wine for my guests when doing outcall. (Sometimes, I will take a bottle of wine with me for incalls.) I never open the bottle until she has arrived. There have been a few girls that really enjoyed the wine. The famous Leah and Jazz of Eleganza come to mind as prime examples...It reduced their inhibitions and may have helped them enjoy having sex with an old guy.

I’m not a smoker but I did have sex high when I was younger. I met a 420 girl I really liked awhile back in TO. I repeated with her the next day and we smoked between SOG #1 & #2. It had been maybe 30 years since I had more than a drag of a joint. I took this big inhale and went into this coughing fit for 3 minutes. The girl became scared. She told me later that she had a guy pass out on her and bang his head on a counter one day. Another girl at the agency had had a favorite customer go into cardiac arrest and die while she was doing him CG. She immediately put out the joint by twisting it in the ashtray while I was in mid-coughing fit. She had this look of fear. I finally stopped coughing long enough to ask her “What are you doing? Light that thing back up.” We finished the joint and even though I had a Vitamin V in me I went limp like a turtle that went back in his shell. She pointed to a once proud Mr. Bodini and said “That’s because of the weed.” We laid back and enjoyed the high and then some heavy petting ensued. Mr. Bodini made a rally. I wanted to see her in her sexy tight dress so she put it on with some heels. She purposely left her panties off so I could take her from behind with the dress and heels on. She leaned on the bed and said “We have time for one more.” I delivered with SOG#2 at the buzzer.

After, we said our goodbyes. She said, “why don’t you stay and we can order pizza? “ I declined. Even though I was high, the thought of a 240$ + pizza didn’t appeal to me. I left her condo and then tried to remember the 4 digit pass code to get into my phone to contact Uber. It was almost impossible to get it right but I was finally able to hack into my phone.

I guess the message is, do what you are accustomed to. Having sex with an escort is almost like an athletic event. Maybe it’s more like slow pitch softball with a keg at 2nd base or golf with a drink every 3-4 holes but you cannot be wasted and have sex. You need to be at you best. Don’t be wasted.

 

[jmioffe]

Having sex with an escort is almost like an athletic event. Maybe it’s more like slow pitch softball with a keg at 2nd base or golf with a drink every 3-4 holes but you cannot be wasted and have sex. You need to be at you best. Don’t be wasted.

This is true. Not to go off on too much of a tangent but I always try to be well-rested and fully hydrated to get the most out of the experience.

Sex with GF has many motivations -- bonding, making up, boredom.

P4P is primarily about maximizing physical pleasure for me. Plus she's a stranger, so you want to give off a positive impression, you (or I at least) feel like I'm being judged, so my own performance is important to me.