Is Modern Medicine Healing People orManufacturing Customers?

[Valentina Amante]

Let’s try this again.
Since a few members couldn’t handle dissent on my last thread and derailed it until it got locked, things will be different this time.

This thread is NOT for petty arguments, ego battles, or endless back-and-forths about who wants to be right.

This is about what you think, not what some headline tells you to think.

- No screenshots of articles
- No links
- No quotes from “official sources”

It is strictly for sharing your own thoughts, opinions, and experiences - especially regarding new science, medicine, and the industries behind them.

- Do you believe Big Pharma genuinely prioritizes patients’ health and well-being?
- Do you believe that mainstream media and Big Pharma work hand in hand?
- Do you think that MSM sells the narrative and that Pharma sells the product?
- Do you trust or use holistic approaches to health?
- Do you put your whole trust into modern medicine?

Questioning either shouldn’t make you the enemy - it should make you informed.

We’re here to exchange perspectives, not to regurgitate scripted headlines or silence others who dare to challenge them or have questions.

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[Tor1393]

Modern medicine is definately helping people and yes they are also looking for customers.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
patients are very finicky. They want what they want.
They often prefer a quick fix.
they expect good results
and they want it now.

Medicine is big big business. But they are trying to help people.
Tor

 

[philonius]

This is what I feel like but I'll engage it as earnestly as I can, if only to get my opinion out, since we're not going to deal in facts here:

Medical science is better now than ever before in human history, despite recent growing distrust, because scientific research OVERALL is approaching a singularity of sorts. In the next 50 years we will have cured the majority of major illnesses and disease that has plagued us since we learned to walk on two feet. Just look at what has been accomplished in the last 50 years.

The problem is that this research is continuously being co-opted and controlled by financial interests that have nothing to do with science and medicine. This, combined with a constant deluge of noise masquerading as information, where facts become annoying to how I FEEL, makes us stupid and fearful - which is precisely what these financial interests want. We deride people who devote their life to scientific pursuits, shame higher education, and look down on people who are experts (through knowledge and experience) and put their recommendations on par with talking heads and podcasters. We have allowed our institutions to be belittled because they tell me things I don't want to hear, like that if we keep being ignorant of our world, it will eventually become unlivable to us.

All this is the product of people who stand to make money. Not your local GP, or the guy working in the lab down the street for $25/hr, or the tenured professor with a lifetime of experience and knowledge, but these are the people we are told to be wary of, and everyone associated with them (the local news reporter, the city councilperson that votes for smart scientific policy, etc), but rather the C-suite execs you never see or hear of (until one gets murdered in the street). That's why there's so much division right now - division is profitable.

Good news is that it seems to me that the problem we have with modern medicine (you and me both probably) is the same. It's called late-stage capitalism, and unfortunately the cure will likely hurt more than the symptoms while we watch them get worse.

 

[minutemenX]

Both. These go hand in hand in everything

 

[CLOUD 500]

They are both manufacturing customers and healing. The doctors are healing but are under the influence of the government and pharma corporations to make them money. They want you to keep on coming back for more pills, the doctors are trained to prescribe pills. Pills to heal but they create other problems (side effects) then you need other more pills. Forced covid vaccines is an example of government manufacturing customers.

 

[TheJames101]

They are both manufacturing customers and healing. The doctors are healing but are under the influence of the government and pharma corporations to make them money. They want you to keep on coming back for more pills, the doctors are trained to prescribe pills. Pills to heal but they create other problems (side effects) then you need other more pills. Forced covid vaccines is an example of government manufacturing customers.

Exactly.

That said, there's a lot more to modern medicine than just pills - so on the whole it's a huge positive and has saved countless millions.

 

[Valentina Amante]

They are both manufacturing customers and healing. The doctors are healing but are under the influence of the government and pharma corporations to make them money. They want you to keep on coming back for more pills, the doctors are trained to prescribe pills. Pills to heal but they create other problems (side effects) then you need other more pills. Forced covid vaccines is an example of government manufacturing customers.

Free telepathic BJ for you sir.

 

[Rebaynia]

The goal is better health.
If you are in good health, Often the dr will try to avoid prescribing you anything and will instruct on healthier living options, because it is true that once you start needing medications, for some it could lead to a cascading effect of more medications to cover the side-effects of one they are already taking. Like potassium for someone on certain diuretics, or viagra for someone on some depression meds. The base med is needed to sustain life, and have an overall betterment. The other is to balance out the side effect if it poses an issue.
Some medications are prescribed in unison together for that reason also, like laxatives with narcotics because narcotics are pretty much guaranteed to constipate.

For some the need of 1 medication is just showing the start of their failing health, as other things are found over time, or just signify that someone is getting older and if it weren't for modern medicine would have perished sooner in life with much more discomfort than they do today.
For some it is something their body had always been lacking, and certain medications are there to give them the chance to not let those things prevent them from leading normal healthy lives otherwise.

In the pharmacy, it is the pharmacist responsibility to verify that, 1) the medication is the correct one to treat the diagnosis at hand. Why it is important to let the pharmacy know why a medication is being prescribed. 2) Is having the desired effect. We are all different and not ever person responds the same way to medications. If not working, or there are adverse effects, depending on what the base problem is either the pharmasist can suggest a different medication in it's place, or pharmacy can fax the Dr alerting to the issue, or you might be suggested to make another Dr appointment to change the medication. 3) To verify the interactions between new medications and existing ones. Also important to inform them of over the counter suppliments and treatments you take. Some can interfere with the absorption and proper function of prescribed meds. 4) many many more. That is what the pharmacist went to school for. To be educated on how these medications work on the body, and together, and they are required to do continuous education every year.

The overall goal is to not take medication that is not needed. There is no benifit to a person's health to take something they don't need, to then need more medication to fix whatever side effect that might create. Healthcare goal is to do as little harm as possible while fixing the greater more pressing health issues. Ideally the medication that works best for someone is one where they get the benefits, and don't expierience the negative side-effects of that medication. That's where individual body chemistry comes in and we say not every medication is suitable or acceptable for ever person. Take ADHD meds for example. For someone who needs them, it calms them down and helps them focus, to get stuff done. For someone who doesn't need it, it's the equivalent of taking speed.


Big pharma creats, tests and advertises. Might try to entice Dr's, or pharmacies to push their products, but that's their product over others that do the same thing.
Dr's prescribe what is needed. They wouldn't be prescribing just to use up their prescription pad. There is no benifit for them. (I do know a Dr, who makes his patients return every 6 months like clockwork, just so he can bill the government for their visits to get more, but won't prescribe unnecessarily.)
And it is the pharmacist who reverifies that the medications don't poorly or negatively interact with eachother. But threwout the line of professionals, the goal is your better health and what you need. Not about trying to screw you over to have to take more meds...

Again more of a United States problem than a Canada one, as the rules and regulations along all these things is different. Especially since here the government tends to pay the bulk of peoples medication costs, rather than the individuals themselves.

It is often the patient who will more likely be asked to be unnecessarily medicated, and listens to the big pharma commercials fed to them about how this supplement, or that fad trend, will benifit them, and hurt their own wallets at best, and their health at worse in the process. It's often what you choose to do because it worked for someone else, against Dr's advice that will often be the downfall.