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Yep....whiile saying loud and clear US did not participate in that war...lolll...
No one denies that the U.S. is helping Israel with intelligence, weapons and defensive military actions (such as shooting down Iranian missiles and drones aimed at Israel). But so far, the U.S. has not gone on the offensive against Iran. That might or might not be coming soon, so stay tuned.


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If Alex Jones is predicting that the U.S. will go to war by Thursday, then Iran should feel safe for the rest of the week.
 

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If Alex Jones is predicting that the U.S. will go to war by Thursday, then Iran should feel safe for the rest of the week.
Using Alex Jones as a source is as good as "trust me bro" :p

This dude is one of the most ridiculous insane person.
 
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A million dead, a destroyed country, soldiers who died for private contractors, arms manufacturers and all the politicians shareholders to get richer.


"The regime has to change"

Do you even hear yourselves? Who tf is entitled to commit crimes, overwhelmingly against civilians (intentionally, because that's the way Israelis & Americans operate) because they decided they need a regime change?

You've got fucking ISIS running Syria! Are you planning to change Saudi Arabia's regime too?

How did regime change in Afghanistan work out? Only took 20 years of war and terror to save Afghanistan women from the Taliban regime to a much better.... er, Taliban regime. Great job!

The iranian regime, the revolution only exists because 70 some years ago, the British and Americans fucked with Iran's DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government for a regime change that would allow them to rob Iranians of the resources that belonged to them.

You're all fucking embarrassing yourselves and revealing the absolute hypocrisy, arrogance and moral bankruptcy of the "West".

Who's saving Americans from their fascist regime?
Who's saving Israelis, Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians, Syrians, Yemen from the genocidal war criminals Israeli regime? They're literally WANTED by the ICC and stand accused of genocide at the ICJ. The attack on Iran was a crime. What kind of mental gymnastics are necessary to claim this is self defense? Like wtf is wrong with all of you?

When the terrorism you're cheering for and inflicting on people in the middle East inevitably blowsback in your faces, don't ask "but why do they hate us?". Because this. This and the racist support for Israel's & the US (and all their accomplices and enablers - Canada included) terrorism, crimes and FUCKING GENOCIDE streamed on our screens is why anyone on the receiving end will and is 200% justified to "hate us". I'm not even on the receiving end and I "hate us".

Jesus Christ, I've been biting my tongue but this is the most disgusting display and I can't even believe this is happening. Hear me when I say y'all deserve exactly what you're wishing for Iranians, and all the crimes you've allowed in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria Yemen and Iran just in the last 20 months.


No but seriously, wtf is wrong with many of you?!
Well thats a lot to digest...

1) I don't think anyone is happy any kids die. Well exept Gazans themselves apparently as they keep repeating they would gladly send their children as "martyr". Its obvious you chose a side in that conflict but let me tell you this... Hamas knew exactly what would happen when they commited their terror massacre on October 7th. They knew Israel would fire back and they hoped that they would win the propaganda war trough public opinion. Yes children dying is terrible. But does anyone in Gaza do anything to protect them? Why has Hamas not surrendered yet? They don't care.

Michel Courtemanche explained it as best as it could be. I share the exact same view as him. Like him i didn't really care for Israel or Palestine before Oct 7, and the way he bring it is just so true. Worth a listen for sure


2) The Islamists

So basically what you say is we should let the islamist dictators run their countries in terror and oppression? Where are those ICJ and human rights group when peoples are getting killed in islamist countries for stuff that is not even a crime at all in western countries? You mention Saudi Arabia. Hey im not a fan, at all. But for the most part (exept a few misteps here and there) they at least do their things and present no danger for other countries. They even collaborate with the US.

You seem to forget Yemen is not even run properly right now, Houthis terrorists run half the country and they been shoting missiles at Israel for a while. You seem to forget Iran shot missiles at Israel as well in the past because Israel had been pummeling their proxies. Wich by the way the Hezbollah had no business getting involved in the Gaza war. They did and look what it got them. Its call FAFO.

Iran is dangerous to the world, a lot more than the Saudis or some cavern Tablibans. Yes Afghanistan is a sad cause of "we tried to help" and they didn't wanted to be help. I guess the men like enslaving their women too much and the women can't fight a war on their own. Its a sad reality. There was some good men yes who fight the good war, but the talibans and the bad ones were overhelming.

ISIS was spreading like cancer and the coalition basically crippled it. No they do not "rule Syria", they still exist but in little numbers (compare to their big days). Sometimes things must be done.

3) I don't have the answer.

I wish i did ... but i don't. I don't know if there is any way to deradicalize the islamists, and yes i do say islamists, not Muslims, as there is a difference between the 2. As Courtemanche put it, they only exist for their god and spread their brutal ideology in the world, killing or enslaving who oppose. We are lucky in a way that the west are more dedicated to science and innovations and were the first to reach the nuclear race. Lets say islamists countries did... i can tell you the world would be very different now.

A good quote is this...

If Gaza lay out their weapon tomorow, the war end
If Israel lay out their weapon tomorow, Israel end

The Palestinians are not interested in a 2 states solution, as they refused it multiple times, they want it all. They want Israel to cease to exist. Its not about territory, its about idealogy and religion.

I know the left activists who usually militate for LGBTQ rights and black lives matters and so on just saw this as another "activism cause", but they don't even understand than they couldn't even exist in the countries of the peoples they defend.

So yeah, i do not wish harm on any children, i wish Gaza, Lebanon, Iran and all these other countries could live in peace and have the same comfort as we do in Canada. But it seem impossible. If the islamists are not busy waging war on westerners, they wage war against themselves... Wich country out of all the Arab world seem to thrive the most? Emirates? Because even tough its not perfect, they embrace a lot more a western style of life. I am curious if escorts and instagram models could go to Iran and do what they do in Dubai huh? ...
 
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I know many Iranian expats. Most of them are professional and highly intelligent people. Some of them are openly routing for Israel, some are ambivalent but nobody, nobody wants this regime to win and survive.
They should be rooting for Israel and regime change. The endgame here is a regime change and hopefully it will be a change for the better.
 

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The endgame here is a regime change and hopefully it will be a change for the better.
Like Irak, Lybia, Syria and Afghanistan right? These people, today, thanks to the occidental war that took down their dictator regime, are living the dream life!
Seriously, wherever the occidental, lead by the USA, sticked their nose in a foreign country by force, it turned into a catastrophe for the citizens.
 

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Netanyahu is clearly on the war path. The october 2023 attack combined with the election of Trump has "unshackled" him. He clearly sees an opportunity and will continue killing until all (most) threats to Israel are weakened. It's ugly.
 

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It's impossible to know for sure how close Iran is to getting a nuclear weapon and the capacity to deliver it. It's also impossible to know if and when they would actually use it, if they had it.

But it is crucial for Israel to take seriously any threats from adversaries that threaten it with extinction. If Israel doesn't take threats seriously then it becomes the victim of attacks from its Arab neighbors and various Palestinian terrorist groups (all of which have been ultimately unsuccessful). Iran is the one adversary of Israel that still seems determined and possibly able to carry out its threats. Israel can't afford to wait to see what Iran might do.


...Yet, inside Tehran’s inner sanctum, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sat unfazed, his resolve as cold as the desert night.

Even as Israel’s jets returned home, its supreme leader doubled down on his vow to erase both Israel and its principal backer, the United States.

Consider these chilling declarations:

“Israel is a malignant, cancerous tumor in the region that must be cut off and eradicated.”

“Zionists… act like the guard dogs of global arrogance. Their nature is to bark and bite.”

“The cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.”

“It is the Islamic Republic’s mission to erase Israel off the map.”

“If they commit even the smallest wrong, [we] will level Tel Aviv and Haifa to dust.”

“By Allah’s grace, in 25 years, nothing will remain of the Zionist regime in our region.”

“The Zionist virus that has lingered for years will soon be eliminated.”

“Death to Israel.”

Khamenei loathes the US as well, possibly even more so than Israel:

“Death to America… is like saying, ‘I seek God’s refuge from the accursed Satan,’... so the believer never forgets that Satan is ever ready to attack and destroy his spiritual shield.”

“‘Death to America’ means death to American policies and death to arrogance.”

“Death to America is not just a slogan – it is a policy.”

“America is the great Satan. This description is truly an excellent one.”

“The enmity from the US and Israel has always been there... if they commit any mischief, they will surely receive a strong reciprocal blow.”

These are not offhand barbs but strategic threats, calibrated to rally hard-liners at home and intimidate adversaries abroad. In Khamenei’s worldview, Israel and America are twin embodiments of “global arrogance” and “Zionist aggression” – cancers, dogs, viruses, and Satanic foes that must be expunged.

Mr. US President Donald Trump: It’s time to match words with decisive action.
  1. Embrace regime change as a policy. Iran’s leadership has shown time and again that its ideology is impervious to deterrence; military strikes only feed its propaganda. You should publicly declare that the Islamic Republic under Ayatollah Khamenei is an outlaw regime and that its removal is a US strategic objective.
  2. Sharpen economic warfare to knife-edge precision. Existing sanctions must be intensified to target every revenue stream sustaining the regime. Freeze all assets tied to the IRGC and its Quds Force, sanction the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and levy secondary sanctions on foreign banks and firms transacting with Tehran.
  3. Ramp up covert operations inside Iran. If Tehran welcomes violence, let it find the fight at home. Expand cyber offensives to disable IRGC command-and-control networks, disrupt missile guidance systems, and interfere with nuclear control software.
  4. Designate the IRGC a foreign terrorist organization and pursue its global networks relentlessly. Force banks worldwide to choose between processing dollar transactions and facilitating money laundering by the IRGC.
  5. Project overwhelming military readiness. Surge US carrier strike groups into the Persian Gulf, pre-position Aegis destroyers in the Arabian Sea, and deploy long-range bombers to deter any Iranian reprisal.
  6. Forge a Middle East coalition for Iran’s partition. Encourage long-term plans for a federalized or partitioned Iran, recognizing that Khamenei’s theocratic regime cannot be reformed. Offer security guarantees to Sunni, Kurdish, and Balochi minority regions willing to break away.
Khamenei’s genocidal rhetoric demands a radical response. A half-measure of sanctions and occasional airstrikes will only embolden Tehran’s hard-liners and lengthen the regime’s lifespan.

Mr. President, this extreme theocracy needs to fall. Make its destruction as explicit a policy as the defeat of Nazi Germany or Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

Harness every tool of American power, be it diplomatic, economic, covert, or militarized, to dismantle Ayatollah Khamenei’s regime before it can realize its vow to erase Israel and America from the map. Only then can the region breathe free of tyranny and terror, and the cancer of radical theocracy be excised once and for all.
 
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